Get your facts right. PS4 Pro on a non-4k TV has immense benrfits simply due to a presumed increase in visual fidelity via downsampling, higher framerates and more stable frametimes.

People need to understand PS4 Pro isn't just meant for 4k.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 7 2016, 02:12 PM

To better DACs available on external sources specifically.

An example would be;
A headphone user who actually buys good headphones, can connect the PS4 to an external DAC and amp to further improve audio quality than the rubbish that's available on the DS4's 3.5mm out. An optical port is needed in this case for this to work.

That creates latency even though it should just be a direct pass through. It's a solution, but not a good one.

No, no, no, no!

SATA 3 provides more bandwidth yes, but due to the file format system used by the PS4 and how game data are compiled, the PS4 simply will not take full advantage of a SSD even if it's given a SATA Express interface.

The amount of blind talk and wall banging on reddit/neogaf talking about how SATA 3 on PS4 pro is a revolution is insanely stupid.

SATA 3 will provide a speed boost to SSDs on the PS4 pro. But if one is expecting a day/night difference like how it would be on a Windows PC, they'd be sorely mistaken (again, 99% of the people on reddit/neogaf will bash you to hell for talking about the truth). For HDDs, it means nothing basically as even the fastest HDD in the world today still cannot fully saturate a SATA 2 interface.

The PS4's sata interface is actually connected to a USB 3.0 interface internally. That's also another reason for the bottleneck in bandwidth. If Sony doesn't change this to begin with, again sata 3 won't make much of a difference.

Don't challenge them, they can. The gaming industry is smaller than the goreng pisang industry in this country.

Every game releasing from October-November 2016 on wards should benefit from the PS4 Pro's extra performance. The exception being games that were already released but hasn't been localized (Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 for example).

The main question is not how many games will benefit, it's rather HOW they benefit. So until November 10 rolls around, all I can tell you is; most developers are targeting an upscaled 4k output with HDR metadata. It does seem that 1080p60 or 1080p30 with near-maxed out visuals isn't the focus (not saying that some games won't, but don't expect too many of them).

I believe many games will only have a single upscaled 4k mode and a 1080p mode with super sampling.

4k and all does seem enticing. But at the moment, there are really only a few TVs that does HDR properly, has acceptable input lag and great image quality. CES 2017 is a few more months away, so hopefully there will be more TVs that focuses on gaming as well as image quality.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 24 2016, 04:29 PM

Sony TVs has not had low input lag in the last 2 years. Stop recommending them.

O..kay.

1) TVs in chain electronic stores are not calibrated.
2) TVs in chain electronic stores don't play native, uncompressed content that is being demo'd.
3) TVs in chain electronic stores are only interested in selling you the TV, not selling you an experience that you will enjoy.

Sure.

1) Arm yourself with a lot of info.
2) KNOW what you want, what you are looking for.
3) Pay zero attention to mindless salesmen bots. No disrespect to them, it's just a job to them, not a career but it is how it is.
4) If you want to do comparisons, know what you are asking to compare them. Unfortunately unless you buy like a TV that costs over 10k, most salesmen wouldn't want to entertain your requests.

The console that overheat during the FF15 demo at Paris Games Week is a normal, regular CUH-12xx PS4 - of which is the hottest running PS4 model to date.

IT IS NOT A PS4 PRO that overheated.

Hard to say without a breakdown of a PS4 Pro.

But considering they will have thicker more robust heatsink and a bigger fan, overheating shouldn't (at least logically) be an issue. But then again they can still be half-arsed about using low quality thermal paste and poor application, which leads to pointless high temps.

Lol this country has issues sticking to a release date, meanwhile consumers already have their hands on the Pro since yesterday over in the west.

Investors bola kecut.
Local banks bola lagi kecut.
Knee-jerk reaction from everyone.

2017 may be an even harder year for gamers.

At long mutha-effin' last, Sony decides to use an X-style bracket to hold the heatsink and CPU in place.
One of the main reasons the original PS4 (launch and CUH11xx) models often goes into 'berserk mode' was because of how low the pressure was between the backplate and the heatsink, causing the APU's temperature to rise up very quickly.

My CUH-11xx has only every once sent the fan into max speed. Adding a copper slug between the backplate and changing the TIM made my PS4 so, so much cooler than it ever did out of the box.

Glad to see Sony is improving on all these design flaws of the original. The TIM on the PS4 Pro also does seem to be of higher quality, though poorly applied as usual.

I think this should be sticked somewhere for PS4 Pro owners:

Choose YUV240 for 4k HDR not because your TV doesn't support YUV444, but rather HDMI 2.0 does not have the bandwidth to carry 10-bit signals with HDR data at 60hz over 4k resolution.

There are like thousands of posts over the internet on what to select and what not to select. It's really very simple.

All OG PS4 games are automatically upscaled to 4k, from whatever their internal res is - which in this case on Platinum Demo is 900p. It's also an extremely old build.

Download the Jap demo for the latest build, 4k HQ mode looks fantastic.

For those wondering which SSHD to buy, the answer is: Seagate Firecuda SSHD.

Now, there is a problem to buying this SSHD though. There exists several SKUs of the Firecuda SSHDs, all of which has different specs.

So guys, TAKE EXTRA, EXTRA NOTE when you buy a Firecuda.
You want to make sure that the serial number is:

1TB drive - ST1000LX001
2TB drive - ST2000LX001

These 2 drives with the 'LX' prefix has 32GB of NAND where as the other models - M015 and M028 only has 8GB of NAND. That is a major difference. 8GB of NAND is simply not enough (nor even fast enough) to store games on the cache to take advantage of the flash memory. This has been proven in the past before. By right, we're already nearly in 2017 and NANDs on SSHD should be at least 64GB in space.

As a bonus the LX drives are also quieter than the M series drives.

All the LX and M series drives are classified as Firecuda drives, why? Ask Seagate.
So once again, PAY ATTENTION to which SSHD you are buying.

Oh and... just as I've expected and noticed:




TLDW; some games on PS4 Pro performs worse than it does on base PS4 mode, it's very incosistent too.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 12 2016, 01:26 PM

Not sure what is so surprising? This has been an issue since the original phat PS3 days.
There is A LOT of trapped heat at the bottom of the PS4 - and this applies to ALL PS4 revisions, original, slim and Pro.


Buy a pack of these:



Make a stack of them (2 or 3), stick them under your PS4 to elevate it off the surface of your table/desk/wherever.

I've done this since day 1 back to the PS3 days, never once did any of my consoles (and I've got 2 of each PS3s and PS4s, bringing a total of 4) overheat, go into berserk fan drive mode, or red light itself.




This is where it gets confusing.

As of this year, Seagate released its "Firecuda" branding which is suppose to take over the Barracuda branding for SSHDs.

LX refers to drives with 32GB NAND.
LM refers to drives with 8GB NAND but with self-encryption feature(s).

There still exists plenty of older "LM" drives under the Barracuda branding, of which are also plain 5400rpm HDDs. But going forward, all SSHDs from Seagate change to the Firecuda branding. Can't believe it took them 5 years to learn what "series separation" is.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 14 2016, 03:46 PM