Nobody overlooked my question. They saw it clearly and they understood what i was saying. You and the rest had enough opportunities to respond in a mature manner but you choose to JUDGE

I don't need to ask again and again. Ive done that and im way past that now. . UW and the rest have taken this to a new level. He asked for war and war is what he will get. Let's see what happens to his damn Sanctuary now.

COWARDS WILL ALWAYS RESORT TO CHEAP TACTICS TO SILENCE THE MASSES!

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Nov 2 2016, 09:59 AM

Everything went downhill after this. This was the post that started everything. Just because I questioned, I was JUDGED as a NON BELIEVER.

Like I said, if you ask for war then war is what you will get.

From what i read, when we try to prove certain things towards your question, you shielded up? and you shooted everyone who does not agree with your views?

As a Christian, do you still remember the greatest Commandment that Jesus gave?

This forum is means for discussion and healthy debate, not for lone ranger or troublemaker. Make peace and calm down.

Jesus once said, "Ask and it'll be answered to you" "Seek and you shall find" "Knock and it will be opened for you"

I'm very sure UW feel the same way, he surely love to answer question regarding Christianity but please adhere to the rules here. Ask politely and wait for your answer patiently, it may not be the answer you want to seek but it will be surely be answered

Hi pardon me if I can interrupt into this "heated" conversation.

I have been reading this thread, and the way I see it is, NO ONE, including UW has ever said you can get saved by going to church and paying tithes.

Bro, I think you have misunderstood big time.

And I believe it's always agreeable among Christians that good works are vital among Christians, because if you are truly saved you will do good work.

But, to be saved, it's only through Jesus, not good work - see the difference there?

Ok, now let us examine your question again, this time we'll surely answer your question

unknownwarrior, pehkay Or anyone else, please help to answer his question in the best manner we can. Let not judge again yeah

What did you prove? You just quoted Bible verses. That's NOT proof. That's your INTERPRETATION of the verse. The Bible can NEVER and SHOULD NEVER be taken literally. This is our Holy Book and its a far greater & deeper document than that. But we have reduced its significance to a storybook to be read blindly from beginning to end and memorised. The Bible needs to be UNDERSTOOD and APPLIED.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Nov 2 2016, 10:04 AM

Sorry but I think its you who have misunderstood what ive been saying all throughout. Im not just talking about good works. When did I ever say that? Why don't u go back to page 131 and start from the beginning. Im certain you will be able to see where im coming from.

Being able to participate in a MATURE DEBATE is also being able to ACCEPT differing views. Simply blindly quoting Bible verses is NOT debating. That's closing off a debate and misusing the Bible.

UW cannot and will not ever participate in a debate where he looks bad in the end. He will always look down on everybody who doesn't share his views. He is a cult leader and that's how cult leaders behave.

And stop talking about being polite and asking politely. This just proves you have taken sides without even reading my posts from the start. Is that what Christianity has taught you?

Ok, first that is not a interpretation maybe you or others call it interpretation but for me I think it's what come in my mind when we read the bible.

each and everyone of us have a very vast different interpretation of of the Bible, and that's why we have so many different denomination of Christian Faith today. You may be from AOG church afflicted, while I'm from maybe a more traditional Church and Unknownwarrior is from another Church group However despite all this different in theology preaching we acknowledge once thing. That Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior that no else but through Him alone is the way to heaven

Yes, I agreed on this, nobody saying through good works then we can be saved.

You said "way of life".

I don't know maybe you define for me what that means.

And what kind of "way of life" you think can get you saved?

This I agree and I have not waivered from it at all. But when we say 'through Him' we cannot limit it to only a Church membership. Its way bigger and more complex than that. Spreading the message that if we are a member of a Church we will automatically be saved is WRONG.

how do you know you are saved?

Ok, let talk about church now yeah. Church isn't just a church, the Church is in fact Jesus bride. and Church is part of God plan after all. Previously in old testament, The church is represented the the Temple of God, which is the Jewish belief, now in New testament The church Represent God plan in end day and also act as a bride of Jesus, and through the church we learned of God words.

But sadly today there's many fake church around us or even worse a real church but the preacher preach the wrong way or doctrines

how do you know you are saved?
any signs?

I am very sorry that christians have given a bad impression to you. I apologize on behalf of all of us.

I would also like to offer a possible explanation on why such reactions came about in the first place. This explanation is based on my own experiences which I am not proud of.

When I was much younger both in age and as a Christian I had what was possibly a dream but it felt like a real life out of body experience.
I found myself lost in a pitch black place with no hope of getting out. Forever.

The fear and desolation I experienced was beyond what words can describe. I cried and screamed but nothing and no one could get me out.
It came to my mind that this is what it means to spend eternity without Christ.

I woke up crying and shivering and for days was unsettled.

As I reflect on that experience I realized I would not wish it on my worst enemy, much less my own friends and family.

That gave me a zeal to share Jesus with everyone.
In my zeal many angry words were uttered when the person who I shared with did not believe me. Words similar to what you may have heard.

On reflection. Those words like "you are going to hell if you don't believe " and "why are you so stupid and stubborn?" would sound like a taunt to the listener, but let me assure you, it was a cry of anguish on the part of the speaker.

They were words of love expressed wrongly because of the fear I felt for the listener if they did not believed.

I drove my own brother away with those words and it took many many years to repair our relationship.

Was I wrong in saying those words ? Most certainly.
I was immature and emotional and though I cared, I did not express my love in the correct manner.

Over the years I have toned down my words and I now know that God in Him mercy has a time for everyone to encounter Him personally to make a decision.

I find that most people who are young or healthy or well off find no use for Jesus and are not ready to make a decision for Him.
But there will come a time when they will be ready and then they will remember what was shared to them earlier.

I hope my post here will shed some light on why some Christians speak and act like they do and I also hope you will forgive the hurt they have cause you.

Peace be with you.

First of all you need to understand my beliefs which are based on my journey so far and what I have experienced and found out which im confident are and should be the basis of our Faith:

1) The Bible is an all Supreme document and guide for our life

2) The Bible is NOT the only source of guidance

3) God has also placed many Helpers in the world to help us in our journey to Him e.g the Church, parents, family, lay people, strangers, our 5 senses, our intelligence, etc

4) Christianity is NOT merely about a Church membership

5) Attending Church should be a personal decision one makes in defining his relationship with God. If he feels that going to Church doesn't give him that 'enhancement' then we should not judge him and start trying to force him back into the Church using fear tactics of eternal damnation.

6) A person may be having a much greater relationship with God compared to a person who obediently attends Church every week.

7) We should never judge a person's personal relationship with God based on his Church attendance.

8) Just because one does not profess to be a Christian does not mean he cannot be a Christian in the way he lives his life

9) A non Christian may be leading a more virtuous life than a Christian who reads & memorises the Bible but doesn't put it into practice

10) Just because one does not go to Church, doesn't mean a person is doomed

11) A person's damnation / salvation is decided based on how he lived his life. Not by a Church membership / non membership.

And pls don't come back saying I don't go to Church because of my sharing above.

FYI I go every week but I go not because society demands this of me but because I get a certain kind of peace at Church. I actually spend more time in Church on days when there is no service. When the crowds are gone and no one is there to see. That's my quiet time with God. But this is just me. Doing this alone WILL NOT GUARANTEE me Salvation. I do not and will not expect others to conform to that just because that's what I do.

In that same way I get very angry when I hear anybody passing judgement saying that someone is dammed just because he isn't Christian. That's NOT what our religion is about. Our religion is about a way of life in accordance with the teachings of Christ. We don't only need to read the Bible in order to know how to live. We can be living a more virtuous life than a person who reads the Bible. It's all about putting all the positives we know into practice not just in our own lives but also in the lives of those around us.

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This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Nov 2 2016, 10:50 AM

Great sharing.

Sadly, whatever you claimed to have learnt from your experience and your so called apology on behalf of Christians is a striking disconnect from your earlier posts where you have taunted, judged me and called me names repeatedly.

And if your response is 'I did it because you did something first' then your whole sharing above goes right down the drain because you have just engaged in a tit for tat battle which is the opposite of what Jesus did during his life here on earth. Yes I have done the same but I never placed myself up on a pedestal and judged others here. I didn't claim that im more deserving of Salvation than anybody else unlike ppl like UW and yourself.

And this is the kind of hypocrisy which not only drives non believers further away but also fellow Christians.

Thank you.