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post Oct 9 2020, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(Thirtythreebugs @ Oct 9 2020, 05:37 PM)
so fast. wanted to collect more at lower price  sad.gif
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KLFI spiking upwards. Most FIs all up.
Its ok, opportunities are everywhere: take a look at BIMB (5258). Lower PE, higher ROE and much better revenue growth

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post Oct 11 2020, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Oct 11 2020, 03:35 PM)
FYI, heard that if change of PM really happened next week, one of the first things Anwar will do is extend the moratorium to end of year.

If this is true, money from retailer might flow in back to KLSE in droves like what happened during last few months.....
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One hell of a way to crash the economy. Please share your source. A lot of people like to spread fake news for their own interest

https://www.rappler.com/business/loan-morat...nt-banks-groups
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post Oct 11 2020, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 11 2020, 12:03 PM)
It seems some wannabe guru are encouraging their followers to pump bank stock next week.
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post Oct 11 2020, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Oct 11 2020, 07:19 PM)
patience will bring you some cheap cheap bank stock to hold as long term investment.
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Can still wait meh? 2020 ending soon. Also, BNM did not cut OPR in Sept suggesting that economy recovery is as per BNM's plan.

Estimated sector earnings per share stands with a sharper contraction of 29% followed by a 16% y-o-y recovery in 2021.
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...o-hit-the-banks
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post Oct 12 2020, 11:25 AM

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“If Supermax and Kossan do replace Genting Malaysia Bhd (GENM) and Genting Bhd (GENT), we estimate Supermax’s weight in the KLCI to be 3.09% and Kossan at 1.89%,” it said.

Bye bye childhood, hope to see u back in KLCI after 2021
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post Oct 12 2020, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Oct 12 2020, 11:28 AM)
GenM and Genting will have a VERY bad time if this does happen.....
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Maybe, they will get replaced back after ASP normalization. Maybe just a short transition.

2 things for sure
- Gloves will continue to post good results until ASP starts normalizing (in a post covid world). Analysts foresee ASP normalizing in 2H2021 or 1H2022.
- GenM wont have good result until 2021Q3, as border is closed until 2021Q2.

There is no way Gentings can beat gloves until 2022.

Why dont they remove MAHB too... -ve earnings too

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post Oct 12 2020, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(jonathanchee315 @ Oct 12 2020, 11:43 AM)
Glove is definitely the things to stay and continuous uptrend until 2022 at least. Forseen another rally soon.
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"Based on the company’s dividend payout policy of 50% and our projected earnings, the implied dividend yield for FY21 is 7.7%. For every 10% additional payout, the dividend yield increases by 1.6%. That said, dividend yields would moderate to 2.1% and 1.2% for FY22 and FY23 respectively,” Wong said.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...uarterly-payout

Glove is definitely the things to stay - Agree, ASP will remain elevated until 2H2021 or 1H2022.

Continuous uptrend until 2022 at least - disagree. I dont think people would want to buy after 2H2021, knowing that they might get stucked with 1-2% div yield. (if uptrend continues the div yield would be less)

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post Oct 12 2020, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 12 2020, 11:46 AM)
Airport already being removed from KLCI.

Index generally is based on market cap as first preferred consideration, although there are other factors like liquidity etc, and being reviewed every 6 months.

Nothing wrong if a stock being excluded or included due to business cyclical issue or changing issue.
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Airport already being removed from KLCI - Is it? I am still seeing 5014 in KLCI as of today though

Nothing wrong if a stock being excluded or included due to business cyclical issue or changing issue - Agreed
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post Oct 12 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 12 2020, 12:13 PM)
refer here. which site are you getting the latest KLCI list from. it's updated in itradecimb but not yet in investing.com & yahoo finance
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Thanks for the update smile.gif
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post Oct 12 2020, 12:28 PM

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post Oct 12 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(nagasaran @ Oct 12 2020, 12:58 PM)
feeling down now loss 23k, haiz! Should i learn from lesson and trade more carefully?

No more long holding, wanna FIFO oredi damn'
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What you bought? If you bought cyclical stocks, normal la down during recession
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post Oct 15 2020, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 15 2020, 10:48 AM)
| Stock | Code | Price | Sector | PE | ROE | Revenue | Net Profit | Margin |
ABMB 2488 2.23 Financial Services, Main Market 7.64 7.24 421,608 104,312 24.74%
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I think BIMB better, ROE a lot more higher, althought PE is slightly higher
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post Oct 15 2020, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 15 2020, 11:30 AM)
BIMB declining, in terms of all: eps, p/l and rev.
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True, but it is just for a quarter though
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post Oct 15 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 15 2020, 11:38 AM)
if u can tahan it slide for 3 mths, at your own discretion.
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What makes abmb different? Confirm 100% wont slide for 3 months?
All banks results wont be good for the next quarter result (except unexpected trading revenue surge), only long term investors will slwly buy banks now
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post Oct 15 2020, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(B@rt @ Oct 15 2020, 11:42 AM)
optimistic-nya  biggrin.gif
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I mean as of data for now, result just slump 1q. Certainly most banks' results wont be good next q.
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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 15 2020, 11:43 AM)
ABMB is not good for you.
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Why say so?
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post Oct 15 2020, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 15 2020, 04:40 PM)
zoom into finance:

Stock Code Price Sector P/E ROE P/BV Revenue Net Profit Margin
HLFG 1082 14.14 Financial Services, Main Market 8.74 8.78 0.77 1,429,159 525,141 36.74%
ABMB 2488 2.23 Financial Services, Main Market 7.64 7.24 0.55 421,608 104,312 24.74%
ALLIANZ 1163 13.68 Financial Services, Main Market 4.63 13.19 0.61 1,404,105 167,732 11.95%
FINTEC 0150 0.09 Financial Services, Ace Market 0.36 45.21 0.16 41,443 151,009 364.38%
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Fintec confirm jialat earnings confirm unsustainable

I like allianz, revenue looks like still growing, but its last q spike in profit should be treated as bonus (occasional spike in profit due to less than normal claim amount). Do take a quick look at Takaful too.
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post Oct 16 2020, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Oct 15 2020, 06:23 PM)
what’s the verdict on mahsing glove venture? new goreng stock since current glove stock already saturated?
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They said
1. glove production plant will be set up within 6 -9 months. By the time they set it up, ASP should have started normalizing (ASP normalization should begin in 2021Q1-Q2 as of today's data).
2. their cost would be around 25-27 USD. Spot price NOW is above 100USD. After ASP normalization, should be able to stay slightly higher than pre-covid price. You see lo, if the business is profitable or not? However, do note that before pandemic outbreak, there was pressure on the gloves ASP due to massive supply (the gloves were already on expansion mode before covid). Hence if, the supply somehow outstrips demand in the future (might happen with more aggressive expansion and new players joining the gloves market), then say bye.gif bye.gif to MahSing lo
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ted-to-continue


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post Oct 22 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
bank lovers, take note.... maybank 7.08, 6 month low.
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CY21 Net profit forecast 6965mil
Current PE based on CY21 NP forecast = 11.4

There are banks with lower PE and similar ROE out there

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post Oct 22 2020, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 22 2020, 11:05 AM)
branding branding.

there are also banks that are trading at like 0.5x PB ratio. but would you buy?
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The PE (based on the CY21 NP forecast) have to be sensible la.

PE 8 I will buy, IF drop lower then buy another batch at PE 7. And will just leave it in the portfolio, unless the forecasted PE is changed substantially.

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