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skty
post Jul 8 2020, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(ipat88 @ Jul 8 2020, 03:59 PM)
Dont buy airlines stock period.
I was in airlines industry before for almost 10 years..
i understand the fundamental of aviation operations..
Just one accident or human error could be fatal for airlines company..
Not to mention the debt that airlines company have..
Btw i think the second market crash might happen soon.. the sign is there..i could be wrong too.. anyway, stay alert and be extra careful..
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actually airlines business model is not difficult to understand

with all those precaution measures, they have to increase the air ticket price

this make the whole thing worst
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post Jul 9 2020, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Jul 9 2020, 11:23 AM)
Wise choice brother, the banks are carrying the market again.

I just sailang some selected bank counters recently after studying the fundamentals and the historical patterns. To me, banks are still much safer than gloves in the long run.
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Can’t blame you.

After a few survey, many of those who have graduated from investment course still pick banking industry as their first choice to invest in current climate when we have given them 5 industry options to pick from.

I think most probably because of what has been taught to them since young. Mindset hard to change.
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post Jul 12 2020, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 12 2020, 12:34 PM)
Please exercise some caution guys. 

Only trade and chase the glove stocks with money that you can afford to lose 100%. Don’t take advance money from your credit card, personal loan or use the margin facility to chase.

When the price correction comes, it will be spectacular.  It only takes one rumour of a vaccine coming soon for Covid-19  and this will start the panic selling.

I know I am being a party pooper. But I am sweating on your behalf after seeing so many young investors in this forum chasing the glove stocks. What goes up must come down eventually.  😅
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I am waiting to buy when majority are selling. haha

Public always think that the price will be affected when the vaccine is ready.

But vaccine is not the only important factor affecting the price. And in my opinion, vaccine is not really more important than other crucial factors.
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post Jul 13 2020, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jul 11 2020, 08:21 AM)
Hope the glove bubble can be here for another 2-3 months before burst completely
The market need these excitement!
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2-3 months. very optimistic.

you higher you climb, the deeper you drop. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 13 2020, 10:16 AM)
Good morning folks.

Kenanga has raised the target price of glove stocks as follows:

1.  Top Glove TP to RM32
2.  Supermax TP to RM17.10
3.  Hartalega TP to RM22.30

Everyone in this forum seems to be buying glove stocks. So, who are the sellers???    confused.gif
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Mr. Market. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Ziet Inv @ Jul 13 2020, 02:22 PM)
Sometimes I wonder, is it really because of the FOMO that retail investors are experiencing, hence the price surged?

Or is it because the outlook is really so "bright & good" that its valuated so highly?

Same question I have for Tesla, not sure if I'm living in denial, or they are simply CRAZY!
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at the end, who's holding all the monkey? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jul 13 2020, 08:59 PM)
please add more fuel.
the last financial crisis bubble burst, thore shares at least can goreng till 3 digits right. The day is still young for glove hor
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greed. that's why not many people can become WB. Behavior/mindset/attitude problem.
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post Jul 19 2020, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(brianchow87 @ Jul 19 2020, 09:16 PM)
Newbie here.. zero knowledge about this. I have minimum capital on hand. Any tips to go for?
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keep your money and spend a little to go to class to learn the knowledge.
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post Jul 19 2020, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 19 2020, 09:37 PM)
about gloves...

if u can follow what this article is saying, esp this part below, i hv no doubt u will do fine with glove stocks.
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post Jul 20 2020, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 20 2020, 10:20 AM)
Good morning folks. I sold all my Kossan shares for a profit.

Sai lang into Harta. Win big or go home.
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Bro... you still don't learn the lesson. dry.gif
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post Jul 25 2020, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Speedstar1 @ Jul 24 2020, 12:16 PM)
Supermax profit rumoured to be 4xxm for June qtr. TG 7xxm to 8xxm. Again, rumors only
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don't need to see rumors. Glove stock is so easy to calculate.

QUOTE(wts6819 @ Jul 24 2020, 09:53 PM)
Few of my experienced friends exited Careplus today afternoon. Try not to hold too long since the signal showing overbought and going to go down soon. Well, I might be wrong.

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Edit:
On the other note, we might able to see Kossan make a return next week? Let's hope MACD line cross above Signal line with current RSI is oversold.

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don't need to talk about physiological analysis here.

if you talk about goreng here, it will be more appreciated.
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post Jul 26 2020, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 26 2020, 10:01 AM)
20x and annualised x4 is Scientist Koon gold STD mah. He used it for Superman scientific estimates. So cannot argue against it one. tongue.gif

Careplus... my 3 sen .. this company WAS a lousy company which is now enjoying its day in the sun. So for me, I would not read too deeply into it.

For a punter/speculator/trader... do note the trading data...

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The most recent 2 trading day data is really suggestive to the age old insinuation what if insiders knew of the better numbers ahead? So is there a possibility that whatever good numbers it has just reported was already priced in?

That's the risk in my opinion.. and this opinion obviously could be negated by the current cow sentiments...
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that "WAS" is a key word

Comfort WAS in PN17 years ago.
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post Jul 26 2020, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 26 2020, 02:35 PM)
Well... I am saying it as it is lo....  nothing else. (yup... I do try to watch my exact words... since market is cow cow... and I do not want to simply spit mouth water on stocks where others could be betting on! )

ok?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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is ok. What I trying to say is, everything is possible in market.

that's why investing is never ending process of eliminating the bad one from your portfolio, and getting in the good one. smile.gif

Don't need to be down if miss an opportunity, there is so many out there.
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post Jul 31 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 31 2020, 11:34 AM)
during the early stages of cov19, the thinking process we all went thru was...

1. this is scary, markets are falling... so, sell, sell, sell.... pandemonium... most people sold, some held on.

2. 3 months into it... curve flattened, cure coming, vaccine coming, V shape... dun sell, buy if u can.

3. 6 months into it... some places contained, some not... curve not good, resurgence in many countries... but "vaccine soon" still a strong hope.

4. currently... we should realize this cov19 isn't going away anytime soon, mco might even return... it has killed many biz, helped others flourish.

5. near future... i don't see a cure, i dun see a vaccine... not for another year at least... a lot of hot air blown by politicians for own purpose.

now, if we look back... it was only obvious that sectors for tourists, travelers, shoppers, public entertainment will be the worst hit.... how come we didn't think of that earlier?!!

sectors with gadgets, services, delivery logistics that fit into home working, home entertainment, home biz will flourish.... how come we didn't think of that earlier?!!

now, we see apple, google, amazon all blowing past their earnings reports.. such glory.

airlines... boeing, airbus, sia, airasia, shell, bp... all going into the abyss... are we still surprised?

my own experience... i dumped all my reits (sg ones, not bursa).. now i see capitamall, suntec falling and falling... becos these are retail, shopping ones.

i see keppel dc (data center), mapletree ind (logistics) rising and rising. well, on hindsight i did something right, something else wrong.

at this time... what will we see that will continue to sell down, what will continue to rise, what will change course?

some may still think cure/vaccine will come tmr, everything returns to normal... so, buy oil/gas, banks, cheap mall/hotel/tourism reits?

or should we go for more tech devices, more tech services, more home services, logistics, medical protective gear?
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your direction is correct but you complicate things.


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post Aug 4 2020, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 3 2020, 12:04 PM)
OK, rumor time.....

Harta Q2 results = > 800 million.
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hahahahaha.

now I know why Harta stock price keep going up.

justified that I didn't go in.

hopefully the big drop will drag all glove sector down so can get more the one I collecting.
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post Aug 4 2020, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(active92 @ Aug 3 2020, 08:18 PM)
Thanks so much. I've just learnt how to calculate P/E. Slowly learning how to read the charts and calculate to reduce risk.
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just an advice... TA can be the last to learn.
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post Aug 4 2020, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2020, 02:44 AM)
Its not really Harta going up je. All glove players also up. No matter whats the profit for Harta's QR this time, will not drag other glove counters down..
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post Aug 4 2020, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2020, 02:03 PM)
Profit taking time? But careplus green lol
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just an advise, if you want to be successful in investment, you need to forecast your own on each company earning.

219.7 mil isn't far from my 200 mil estimation. Based on my estimation, the market price is overvalued.

if you don't know how to forecast on a particular business model, then that business model is out of your circle of competent and therefore you shouldn't put money in it.

if you still want to spend the money, the better choice is you take the money go to Genting.

and then, you need to know how 90% of the people behavior in stock market, then you can earn money from those. Because those 90% definitely will lose money over the course of time. So instead let those fund manager earn fully, you can also earn a bit from the cake.

just my 2 cent, if this is not acceptable to you, my apologies.

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post Aug 4 2020, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2020, 02:21 PM)
I understand what you mean, but all glove now is overpriced and overhyped. No?

Im buying purely on speculation, with cash account, no margin. And as my holdings on these punts are up 30-50% already, i have enough margin of safety to get out. For example if i get out now, most of these punts are on 30% profit.

I knew Harta's result will not be as high as speculated, but my holdings are rm16 average. Just enjoying the ride.

No offence taken biggrin.gif
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not all glove is overpriced. You have to do own homework to keep getting updated ASP of each company and then forecast with the capacity / future increase capacity.

Glove sector past PE is within 20-30. Now the market demand is so good, maybe market sentiment willing to give FPE 35.

You do some rough calculation then you will know whether is it overprice.
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post Aug 4 2020, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(hs_clover @ Aug 4 2020, 05:05 PM)
Im thinking of going in new for tenaga nasional. Any advice?
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if you not worry about political involvement in GLC, like the one happen with Tabung Haji, it's a good company to look at.

anywhere below RM11 is a good price to go in but this will be a long term holding.
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post Aug 4 2020, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Aug 4 2020, 04:51 PM)
Really? I do feel they are overpriced though. Which ones u think not overpriced yet? Topg?
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look at the value of the company. not compare pricing with each other.

for glove stock, because the burst of earning is not sustainable in the long run, look at short term future value of the company.
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post Aug 4 2020, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 4 2020, 05:43 PM)
Good sharing. The only reason I do not dare to touch the gloves is because of unsustainable burst of earnings.

With the increased ASP and pent up demand, short term value sure looks good. Since I cant time when will the biggest share holders leave the gloves, I choose not to participate and missed the huge rally  bye.gif .

However, this is a very good learning experience for me: looking at short term earnings and following the trend when it is still early is a very solid profitable strategy.
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manage well your portfolio and arrange it according to your risk tolerance.

when someone is new to Bursa, everything seems risky to him/her, and miss out opportunity.
when someone is old timer in Bursa, everything seems not risky to him/her, and risk of stepping into mines.

since our funds are limited, everything that we do has opportunity cost. The most stupid way is hold on to cash which guarantee at least losing 2% of its value every year. Whereas put into FD will cost your big opportunity cost.

whenever you do something, always ask yourself, is there a better way of doing it based on your knowledge.

always be grateful when you lose money in stock market and cherish the feeling of that moment because you are one step closer to be a good investor. Set principles from every mistake so you won't repeat it again. The feeling also will help you remember it forever.
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post Aug 6 2020, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 5 2020, 09:02 AM)
If you read the Q2 report, the reason why profit lower than expected is because 1/2 went to buying of land for expansion purposes. If not because of that, Harta profits is almost 500m.

Looks like many ppl got suckered that Harta profit didn't reach its potential, when actually it was. That's why CIMB raised the TP.
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