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Boon3
post Jun 26 2020, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2020, 03:14 PM)
Since 2015, BAT dividends totals...

[attachmentid=10524227]

2015 -- 312.00
2016 -- 278.00
2017 -- 169.00
2018 -- 155.00
2019 -- 118.00
2020 -- 50.00 **

** BAT dividend for 2020 so far is half year. Assuming same rate of payout, we are looking at total dividend of only 100.00 **
** clearly the dividends is declining like hell! **

from 2015 to currently, BAT has paid 1082.00 in dividend (ie rm10,820.00 per 1,000 shares)

.....
Price of BAT today is 10.76.

if one purchase or invested in BAT for its dividends about 5 years ago, the price of BAT on 23rd June 2015 is 60.80.

dividends collected is 1082
price today is 10.76

which means one is looking at a holding a loss of 39.22 (60.82-10.82-10.76) !!!!!

** if one purchase on 23rd June 2015, one collected less 176.00 in dividends, since these dividends were paid before June 2015!! **
so do be careful, do not simply invest just because of dividends !!!  Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!
invested ~ 60k... for dividends... now losing 39k cos the share price has collapsed!!!
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Quote: "Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!"

One of the BIGGEST danger is looking at the quick snapshot of a company's financial. For BAT case, the quick snap will show that its dividend yield is more than 10%!!!

Attached Image

The 118 sen is correct BUT it's based on the trailing twelve months... and with BAT rate of dividends falling rapidly, the 118 sen looks optimistic...

So obviously, one would ask "Mana boleh bro? More than 10% la, cannot lose money one bro... "

but with BAT earnings declining rapidly, its dividend declined rapidly too.... and with it, it's share price rolled down the hill.......

Attached Image

so unless BAT earning and dividend improve for the better... perhaps it's better not to be blinded and seduced by the current Dividend Yield...




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post Jun 26 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(bronkos @ Jun 26 2020, 03:42 PM)
Gov is gonna introduce tax on glove companies.

Everyone is panicking.
https://www.chinapress.com.my/?p=2090432
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it says 专家不排除

it's just the experts opinion that gov will charge taxes. quite invalid.
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post Jun 26 2020, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2020, 04:47 PM)
Quote: "Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!"

One of the BIGGEST danger is looking at the quick snapshot of a company's financial. For BAT case, the quick snap will show that its dividend yield is more than 10%!!!

Attached Image

The 118 sen is correct BUT it's based on the trailing twelve months... and with BAT rate of dividends falling rapidly, the 118 sen looks optimistic...

So obviously, one would ask "Mana boleh bro? More than 10% la, cannot lose money one bro... "

but with BAT earnings declining rapidly, its dividend declined rapidly too.... and with it, it's share price rolled down the hill.......

Attached Image

so unless BAT earning and dividend improve for the better... perhaps it's better not to be blinded and seduced by the current Dividend Yield...
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Unless the gomen reverse tax policy, legitimate tobacco companies market share will only decline.

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post Jun 26 2020, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2020, 04:47 PM)
Quote: "Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!"

One of the BIGGEST danger is looking at the quick snapshot of a company's financial. For BAT case, the quick snap will show that its dividend yield is more than 10%!!!

Attached Image

The 118 sen is correct BUT it's based on the trailing twelve months... and with BAT rate of dividends falling rapidly, the 118 sen looks optimistic...

So obviously, one would ask "Mana boleh bro? More than 10% la, cannot lose money one bro... "

but with BAT earnings declining rapidly, its dividend declined rapidly too.... and with it, it's share price rolled down the hill.......

Attached Image

so unless BAT earning and dividend improve for the better... perhaps it's better not to be blinded and seduced by the current Dividend Yield...
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well explained! 👍🏾

that’s what i thought when i say is dying company
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post Jun 26 2020, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2020, 04:47 PM)
Quote: "Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!"

One of the BIGGEST danger is looking at the quick snapshot of a company's financial. For BAT case, the quick snap will show that its dividend yield is more than 10%!!!

Attached Image

The 118 sen is correct BUT it's based on the trailing twelve months... and with BAT rate of dividends falling rapidly, the 118 sen looks optimistic...

So obviously, one would ask "Mana boleh bro? More than 10% la, cannot lose money one bro... "

but with BAT earnings declining rapidly, its dividend declined rapidly too.... and with it, it's share price rolled down the hill.......

Attached Image

so unless BAT earning and dividend improve for the better... perhaps it's better not to be blinded and seduced by the current Dividend Yield...
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thumbs. initially was about to dump my bonus money into this counter but after i start calculating.. eh cho to ma teh.. that dividend yield is before covid what happen with current dividend leh.. latest dividend is only 0.17 per unit.. it's close to half of it's previous payouts.
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post Jun 26 2020, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Jun 26 2020, 03:09 PM)
It finally happened - TopGlove went below 15.00.
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yeap today closed at rm14.90 boss....damm maybe next week will go lower when short selling returns? what do you think boss tq
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post Jun 26 2020, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jun 26 2020, 05:42 PM)
thumbs. initially was about to dump my bonus money into this counter but after i start calculating.. eh cho to ma teh.. that dividend yield is before covid what happen with current dividend leh.. latest dividend is only 0.17 per unit.. it's close to half of it's previous payouts.
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Looking at the dividend trend is very important. A declining dividend trend can easily drag the share price too.

People say dividend from shares is good but they tend to forget to mention that the price of the share is not a constant figure. The share price can come down one....
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post Jun 26 2020, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(immobile @ Jun 26 2020, 05:59 PM)
yeap today closed at rm14.90 boss....damm maybe next week will go lower when short selling returns? what do you think boss tq
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This is expected. More bloodbath to continue next week.
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post Jun 26 2020, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 26 2020, 04:18 PM)
The slow death of 2018 - 2019 is coming back again.

Small pond many crocs and a sliding index  nod.gif
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it is an alligator market, no doubt.

besides the very well known issues, bursa also suffers from continued foreign funds exit, imminent incr in debt and negative outlook reports.

i also noticed that the RM declined quite a bit today vs $ and SGD... whether this will accelerate, we will see.

put it all together, it doesn't look bode well for bursa.

if the profit making glove champions wither, the rest will rot much faster, imo.

we are all dying to see the various sector/biz/cos. pending QRs for 2Q2020.

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jun 26 2020, 07:01 PM
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post Jun 26 2020, 07:03 PM

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Looking for a high dividend stock with good fundamental?

Have a look at Lii Hen. But please understand the nature of the business and the risk in the current climate.
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post Jun 26 2020, 07:32 PM

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Short selling extended to 31 Dec 2020

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5bb54be....pdf?1593169769

Monday all shares will rally and Gap up
theberry
post Jun 26 2020, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 26 2020, 07:32 PM)
Short selling extended to 31 Dec 2020

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5bb54be....pdf?1593169769

Monday all shares will rally and Gap up
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haha this SC really scare die doh.gif
no early announce also doh.gif


if dow jones down, monday will down also laugh.gif

This post has been edited by theberry: Jun 26 2020, 07:44 PM
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post Jun 26 2020, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 26 2020, 07:32 PM)
Short selling extended to 31 Dec 2020

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5bb54be....pdf?1593169769

Monday all shares will rally and Gap up
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Because Bursa really afraid? 😂
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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jun 26 2020, 06:31 PM)
This is expected. More bloodbath to continue next week.
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Bloodbath only if there is massive margin forced selling.

QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 26 2020, 07:32 PM)
Short selling extended to 31 Dec 2020

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5bb54be....pdf?1593169769

Monday all shares will rally and Gap up
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Now, the net is cast.
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post Jun 26 2020, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 26 2020, 07:32 PM)
Short selling extended to 31 Dec 2020

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5bb54be....pdf?1593169769

Monday all shares will rally and Gap up
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good job to stabilised the economy. this government know what to do than the previous stupid finance minister
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post Jun 26 2020, 08:28 PM

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post Jun 26 2020, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 26 2020, 07:32 PM)
Short selling extended to 31 Dec 2020

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5bb54be....pdf?1593169769

Monday all shares will rally and Gap up
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Lol all got played kau kau.

Now see the market fly pass 1600 soon.
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post Jun 26 2020, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Jun 26 2020, 08:50 PM)
Lol all got played kau kau.

Now see the market fly pass 1600 soon.
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Please KLSE dont fly high so fast, didn't collect enough tongue.gif

really hope can average down my current holdings and buy some cheap cheap
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post Jun 26 2020, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2020, 03:14 PM)
Since 2015, BAT dividends totals...

[attachmentid=10524227]

2015 -- 312.00
2016 -- 278.00
2017 -- 169.00
2018 -- 155.00
2019 -- 118.00
2020 -- 50.00 **

** BAT dividend for 2020 so far is half year. Assuming same rate of payout, we are looking at total dividend of only 100.00 **
** clearly the dividends is declining like hell! **

from 2015 to currently, BAT has paid 1082.00 in dividend (ie rm10,820.00 per 1,000 shares)

.....
Price of BAT today is 10.76.

if one purchase or invested in BAT for its dividends about 5 years ago, the price of BAT on 23rd June 2015 is 60.80.

dividends collected is 1082
price today is 10.76

which means one is looking at a holding a loss of 39.22 (60.82-10.82-10.76) !!!!!

** if one purchase on 23rd June 2015, one collected less 176.00 in dividends, since these dividends were paid before June 2015!! **
so do be careful, do not simply invest just because of dividends !!!  Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!
invested ~ 60k... for dividends... now losing 39k cos the share price has collapsed!!!
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2020, 04:47 PM)
Quote: "Dividend investing has its fair share of risk!!!!"

One of the BIGGEST danger is looking at the quick snapshot of a company's financial. For BAT case, the quick snap will show that its dividend yield is more than 10%!!!

Attached Image

The 118 sen is correct BUT it's based on the trailing twelve months... and with BAT rate of dividends falling rapidly, the 118 sen looks optimistic...

So obviously, one would ask "Mana boleh bro? More than 10% la, cannot lose money one bro... "

but with BAT earnings declining rapidly, its dividend declined rapidly too.... and with it, it's share price rolled down the hill.......

Attached Image

so unless BAT earning and dividend improve for the better... perhaps it's better not to be blinded and seduced by the current Dividend Yield...
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future cashflow...
future cashflow...
future cashflow...
and yet I see people are recommending BAT and Astro. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 27 2020, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jun 26 2020, 08:28 PM)
YEAH ALL IN GLOVES ALL IN AIRASIA
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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Jun 26 2020, 08:50 PM)
Lol all got played kau kau.

Now see the market fly pass 1600 soon.
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still want all in?

dow future -6XX now brows.gif

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