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icemanfx
post Jun 27 2020, 06:07 AM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Jun 27 2020, 12:18 AM)
still want all in?

dow future -6XX now  brows.gif

24,966.0 -630.0    -2.46%
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Buy low sell high.
SUSEBBattlefield
post Jun 27 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 27 2020, 06:07 AM)
Buy low sell high.
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I thought /k modus operandi is buy high sell low tongue.gif

Anyway, MBSB sure no dividend now.....
Others like gamuda and Ambank you think got ka?
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post Jun 27 2020, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Jun 27 2020, 09:41 AM)
I thought /k modus operandi is buy high sell low tongue.gif

Anyway, MBSB sure no dividend now.....
Others like gamuda and Ambank you think got ka?
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/k are typically buy high sell higher. dividend is a fallback in the event share price is under performing.

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post Jun 27 2020, 08:24 PM

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The can’t-miss rise of equity markets around Asia is fueling the explosion of interest among retail investors in the region, mirroring their exuberance worldwide. Millions of investors who had never so much as opened a trading account before have been piling into the market.
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In Japan, the Tokyo Stock Exchange Mothers Index, which hosts many tech start-up listings, has soared throughout the pandemic: buying the dip on almost any small-cap stock would make money. All but seven of the 320 companies on the board have gained since April’s start, from vaccine hopeful Agnes Inc., up 235%, to Precision System Science Co., which is developing a virus test and has added more than 480%.

Japan's Mothers startup board has outpaced the broader Topix this year
“If there’s a report on TV about a coronavirus-related stock that’s going up, they can just buy it the next day and make profit,” said Naoki Murakami, a long-time Japanese day-trader. He points to “simple” bets by amateur investors on stocks such as AnGes or Avigan maker Fujifilm Holdings Corp.

In the U.S., Robinhood and the Reddit forum called r/wallstreetbets have become a dominant force in the market, boosting everything from the stocks of bankrupt companies such as Hertz Global Holdings Inc. to revenue-less start-ups like truck maker Nikola Corp. That pattern has been repeated in Europe with brokerages in Germany, the U.K. and France all reporting a jump in participation by individual investors, fueled by a fear of missing out.

And while the names may be less familiar, the same picture appears across countries in Asia that imposed lockdowns.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/asia

#ddtg rule

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jun 27 2020, 08:55 PM
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post Jun 27 2020, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 27 2020, 08:24 PM)
The can’t-miss rise of equity markets around Asia is fueling the explosion of interest among retail investors in the region, mirroring their exuberance worldwide. Millions of investors who had never so much as opened a trading account before have been piling into the market.
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The can’t-miss rise of equity markets around Asia is fueling the explosion of interest among retail investors in the region, mirroring their exuberance worldwide. Millions of investors who had never so much as opened a trading account before have been piling into the market.
....
In Japan, the Tokyo Stock Exchange Mothers Index, which hosts many tech start-up listings, has soared throughout the pandemic: buying the dip on almost any small-cap stock would make money. All but seven of the 320 companies on the board have gained since April’s start, from vaccine hopeful Agnes Inc., up 235%, to Precision System Science Co., which is developing a virus test and has added more than 480%.

Japan's Mothers startup board has outpaced the broader Topix this year
“If there’s a report on TV about a coronavirus-related stock that’s going up, they can just buy it the next day and make profit,” said Naoki Murakami, a long-time Japanese day-trader. He points to “simple” bets by amateur investors on stocks such as AnGes or Avigan maker Fujifilm Holdings Corp.

In the U.S., Robinhood and the Reddit forum called r/wallstreetbets have become a dominant force in the market, boosting everything from the stocks of bankrupt companies such as Hertz Global Holdings Inc. to revenue-less start-ups like truck maker Nikola Corp. That pattern has been repeated in Europe with brokerages in Germany, the U.K. and France all reporting a jump in participation by individual investors, fueled by a fear of missing out.

And while the names may be less familiar, the same picture appears across countries in Asia that imposed lockdowns.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/asia

#ddtg rule
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This is exactly what happened to glove ctrs.. ride the hype and exit before anyone else. 😎

This post has been edited by goldrush: Jun 27 2020, 08:33 PM
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post Jun 29 2020, 08:05 AM

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FOR those who like warrants



TOPGLOV-Call Warrants
Author: i3gambler

user posted image
Make reference to the above screen shot.

First we look at TOPGLOV target prices given by investment banks.

TOPGLOV released their latest quarterly result on 11th June 2020,

Therefore I capture only those target prices given on the same day or later,

Thanks to i3investor.com for the listing the target prices.

The average target price are sky high, an upside room of 44.74%, very rare for a blue chip.

Now, to calculate the fair value of call warrants, we need inputs to the calculation, the two critical and arguable inputs are:

1) Interest:

Common practice:

Input the risk free interest rate, in our current case, should be around 2%

My preference:

50% of the upside room of 44.74%, equal to 22.37%, then plus the dividend yield, but subject to a maximum value of 8.00%.

2) Volatility:

Common Practice:

Calculate from the last 90 trading days, and assume same volatility will be maintained in coming months.

My preference:

Same calculation, but subject to a maximum value, in this case I choose 30%.





Make reference to the following two screen shots:

1) Column C:

The middle price at 4.30 pm on Friday, 26th June 2020.

2) Column M:

Fair values calculated using 200 steps binomial method.

3) Column L:

Fair Value over Market Price.

user posted image







Discussion:

1) At a very unlikely chance, I could have put wrongly the expiry, exercise price or exercise ratio, so please double check at www.bursamalaysia.com if you want to trade any of call warrants.

2) Currently I do not have any TOPGLOV call warrant, and not like will buy any of them.

3) Trade at your own risk.

user posted image
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post Jun 29 2020, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Jun 29 2020, 08:05 AM)
FOR those who like warrants
TOPGLOV-Call Warrants
Author: i3gambler 

user posted image
Make reference to the above screen shot.

First we look at TOPGLOV target prices given by investment banks.

TOPGLOV released their latest quarterly result on 11th June 2020,

Therefore I capture only those target prices given on the same day or later,

Thanks to i3investor.com for the listing the target prices.

The average target price are sky high, an upside room of 44.74%, very rare for a blue chip.

Now, to calculate the fair value of call warrants, we need inputs to the calculation, the two critical and arguable inputs are:

1) Interest:

Common practice:

Input the risk free interest rate, in our current case, should be around 2%

My preference:

50% of the upside room of 44.74%, equal to 22.37%, then plus the dividend yield, but subject to a maximum value of  8.00%.

2) Volatility:

Common Practice:

Calculate from the last 90 trading days, and assume same volatility will be maintained in coming months.

My preference:

Same calculation, but subject to a maximum value, in this case I choose 30%.





Make reference to the following two screen shots:

1) Column C:

The middle price at 4.30 pm on Friday, 26th June 2020.

2) Column M:

Fair values calculated using 200 steps binomial method.

3) Column L:

Fair Value over Market Price.

user posted image


Discussion:

1) At a very unlikely chance, I could have put wrongly the expiry, exercise price or exercise ratio, so please double check at www.bursamalaysia.com if you want to trade any of call warrants.

2) Currently I do not have any TOPGLOV call warrant, and not like will buy any of them.

3) Trade at your own risk.

user posted image
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analyse for people but ownself didn't buy laugh.gif
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post Jun 29 2020, 09:14 AM

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Monday opening...

Expected - KLSE drop around 8 points at beginning.

Not expected - glove shares are in green...
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post Jun 29 2020, 09:17 AM

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Banks GG
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post Jun 29 2020, 09:31 AM

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gloves still strong... returning with a vengeance, it appears.

then again, no other sector is making good profits now.

O&G, banks, construction, etc.... all declining, making losses... bad QRs coming.
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post Jun 29 2020, 09:46 AM

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The bear is slowly creeping back in.

I'm holding mostly blue chips now and seeing their paper gains getting wipe out day by day. This is the kind of dangers that boils a frog or kill a bull tongue.gif
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 29 2020, 09:46 AM)
The bear is slowly creeping back in.

I'm holding mostly blue chips now and seeing their paper gains getting wipe out day by day. This is the kind of dangers that boils a frog or kill a bull  tongue.gif
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my reading of the KLCI technicals.... it is now in bear mode.


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post Jun 29 2020, 10:02 AM

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Whether the market is doing well or not can be judged by the number of posts appearing in this thread.

The number of posts is slowly decreasing...this means that the market is either trading sideways or is slowly sinking...
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 29 2020, 10:02 AM)
Whether the market is doing well or not can be judged by the number of posts appearing in this thread.

The number of posts is  slowly decreasing...this means that the market is either trading sideways or is slowly sinking...
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People like to post profits... dare not show the bloods they lost in Stock Market.
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 29 2020, 10:05 AM)
People like to post profits... dare not show the bloods they lost in Stock Market.
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that is true.

when there is loss of blood, they will also be some others rubbing it in.

why, i dunno... maybe that makes them feel great? biggrin.gif
theberry
post Jun 29 2020, 10:15 AM

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patiently waiting for another big dip
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 29 2020, 10:12 AM)
that is true.

when there is loss of blood, they will also be some others rubbing it in.

why, i dunno... maybe that makes them feel great? biggrin.gif
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Cantonese saying:
People's pain is another person's joy
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post Jun 29 2020, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 29 2020, 10:16 AM)
Cantonese saying:
People's pain is another person's joy
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enjoy then.
AVFAN
post Jun 29 2020, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Jun 29 2020, 10:15 AM)
patiently waiting for another big dip
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for gloves, u may already missed it this morning.

traders can take profit now.
theberry
post Jun 29 2020, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 29 2020, 10:19 AM)
for gloves, u may already missed it this morning.

traders can take profit now.
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still got tomorrow and first week of july brows.gif

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