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PathofLife
post Jan 2 2021, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 1 2021, 11:13 PM)
ETF in Malaysia has very very low volume and hard to trade. Better to use robo advisors like Wahed if you want access to Malaysia ETF.
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QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Jan 2 2021, 12:06 AM)
Performance for FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI for the past 20 years:

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Cubalagi has highlighted really good points.

Depending on how much you buy, don't forget to take into account the brokerage fee on top of the total fee for the ETF which is around 0.6%.
For context the robo advisors in Malaysia range from 0.70% to 1.00% and you get geographical diversification from them.
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Thanks for sharing, initially i thought of buying ETF is like the investment method propose by Buffett on S&P 500 for long term investment. My plan is to put money into it every month for 20 + years without need to check on it daily.

Seem like i need to find other way for the investment... Thanks senior, i more knowledgeable today. Have a nice day.

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post Jan 2 2021, 08:50 AM

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bursa is rubbish company,
latest ss info dec31 is not on website yet

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post Jan 2 2021, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Dec 31 2020, 06:10 PM)
What I understand is many parties have ability to prop up prices just now. But they let LWC do the heavy lifting alone for so long. 🤣🤣
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Why do you want to compare shareholders buyback with funds? Honestly the most irrelevant is when the biggest shareholder buyback because a large chunk of their shares is from the listed day. What does he had to lose when spending a hundred or two hundreds millions on buyback at much higher level? Especially when these companies become cash cow like now, they would want higher shareholding to solidify their position. Just look at Hartalega with its 50.1% shareholding in the Kuan family. Does he bother with you at all? No...
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post Jan 2 2021, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Jan 2 2021, 12:06 AM)
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Cubalagi has highlighted really good points.

Depending on how much you buy, don't forget to take into account the brokerage fee on top of the total fee for the ETF which is around 0.6%.
For context the robo advisors in Malaysia range from 0.70% to 1.00% and you get geographical diversification from them.
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Robo advisors charges are per annum based on value of your holdings. And their charges are on top of the ETF management fees. Long term and with big amounts invested, that will cost you. (but still better than conventional unit trust).

Brokerage is by transaction. The bigger amount invested the cheaper. If u use a Bursa trading cash upfront it can be ike 0.1% per transaction, depending on value. Also there is no stamp duty charged for ETF transactions.

My style is I'm my own robo advisor and buys etf by brokerage. So I buy big amounts to minimize brokerage n don't trade frequently.

QUOTE(PathofLife @ Jan 2 2021, 08:49 AM)
Thanks for sharing, initially i thought of buying ETF is like the investment method propose by Buffett on S&P 500 for long term investment. My plan is to put money into it every month for 20 + years without need to check on it daily.

Seem like i need to find other way for the investment... Thanks senior, i more knowledgeable today. Have a nice day.
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Even if there is a suitable ETF, I don't think this is a valid strategy. 20 years time frame to passively invest in Malaysia equities? Malaysian economy doesn't have the comparative advantage to grow. That's my opinion.

Need to be more active and diversify globally n in different asset classes.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jan 2 2021, 10:00 AM
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post Jan 2 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 18 2020, 07:52 PM)
Update for the week ending 18th Dec 2020

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Total number of shares bough from 9th Sep to 18th Dec .... 176,377,000
Sum paid for these shares RM1,270,792,753.99

Average price for these shares is 7.20498

Closing price for 18th Dec is 6.64

Marked to market, the total market value of these shares bought back is 1,171,143,280.00

Current marked to market prices losses is RM99,649,473.99
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Update for week ending 31 Dec 2020

No new buybacks.

Total number of shares bought back from 9th Sep to 31st Dec = 176,377,000
Sum paid for these shares = RM1,270,692,753.99
Average price for these shares = 7.20498

Closing price for 31st Dec is 6.12
Based on 31st Dec closing price, market value of these shares is RM1,079,427,240.00

Current marked to market price losses = RM191,365,513.99
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post Jan 2 2021, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Jan 2 2021, 08:50 AM)
bursa is rubbish company,
latest ss info dec31 is not on website yet
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It's weekend and new year.

Anyways, RSS only starting next week. It will only start to get a bit more interesting then.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Jan 2 2021, 10:08 AM
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post Jan 2 2021, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 2 2021, 10:06 AM)
Update for week ending 31 Dec 2020

Current marked to market price losses = RM191,365,513.99
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Fuuu... For every losers there are winners..
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post Jan 2 2021, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 2 2021, 10:10 AM)
Fuuu... For every losers there are winners..
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Top Glove management team has shown how share buy backs can go terribly wrong and bad for shareholders, even with 1.2 billion ringgit at their disposal.....





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post Jan 2 2021, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 2 2021, 10:23 AM)
Top Glove management team has shown how share buy backs can go terribly wrong and bad for shareholders, even with 1.2 billion ringgit at their disposal.....
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I guess winners are exiting shareholders then..
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post Jan 2 2021, 10:34 AM

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I just a have limited fund i can invest RM 500 hundred per month. At the moment not enogh capital to invest oversea. Hahaha
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post Jan 2 2021, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 2 2021, 10:30 AM)
I guess winners are exiting shareholders then..
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This is Tropicana's buying of TG shares...

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Total number of shares purchased by Tropicana = 14,320,000
Sum paid for these shares = RM98,520,184
Closing price for 31st Dec is 6.12

Based on 31st Dec closing price, market value of these shares is RM87,638,400.00

Based on current marked to market price losses for Tropicana = RM10,881,784.00



Not as drastic but just a mere rm10.8 million paper losses











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post Jan 2 2021, 11:09 AM

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post Jan 2 2021, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 2 2021, 10:55 AM)
This is Tropicana's buying of TG shares...

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Total number of shares purchased by Tropicana = 14,320,000
Sum paid for these shares = RM98,520,184
Closing price for 31st Dec is 6.12

Based on 31st Dec closing price, market value of these shares is RM87,638,400.00

Based on current marked to market price losses for Tropicana = RM10,881,784.00
Not as drastic but just a mere rm10.8 million paper losses
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Cubalagi

And this is the boss own buying of TG shares.. as described by MSWG putting money where is mouth is...

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** note: on bursa announcements, it doesn't state the total amount paid. It just states the average prices. So basic calculation was done there**

Total number of shares purchased by Boss = 10,675,000
Sum paid for these shares = RM69,723,235.61
Closing price for 31st Dec is 6.12

Based on 31st Dec closing price, market value of these shares is RM65,331,000

Based on current marked to market prices, the boss is sitting on paper losses = RM4,392,235.61







ps: Follow the smart insider money? would you, based on such performance/track record?

ps/ps: Adding the buybacks, Tropicana and Boss purchases ... the remisser .... ooolalala

ps/ps/ps: Seriously? Does the boss even has a financial advisor? Can I recommend you?

ps/ps/ps/ps: Can someone tell him to stop playing the share market and look after Top Glove affairs?

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps: He has mandate to play buy backs to the tune of 10% ... which is approx some 4 billion more chips to buy TG shares....... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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post Jan 2 2021, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 2 2021, 11:17 AM)
Cubalagi

And this is the boss own buying of TG shares.. as described by MSWG putting money where is mouth is...

user posted image

** note: on bursa announcements, it doesn't state the total amount paid. It just states the average prices. So basic calculation was done there**

Total number of shares purchased by Boss = 10,675,000
Sum paid for these shares = RM69,723,235.61
Closing price for 31st Dec is 6.12

Based on 31st Dec closing price, market value of these shares is RM65,331,000

Based on current marked to market prices, the boss is sitting on paper losses = RM4,392,235.61
ps: Follow the smart insider money?  would you, based on such performance/track record?

ps/ps: Adding the buybacks, Tropicana and Boss purchases ... the remisser .... ooolalala

ps/ps/ps: Seriously? Does the boss even has a financial advisor? Can I recommend you?

ps/ps/ps/ps: Can someone tell him to stop playing the share market and look after Top Glove affairs?

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps: He has mandate to play buy backs to the tune of 10% ... which is approx some 4 billion more chips to buy TG shares.......  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Please recommend yourself to be TG financial advisor....
With all interest and knowledge you have, definitely will be helpful to him.... smile.gif
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post Jan 2 2021, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(PathofLife @ Jan 2 2021, 10:34 AM)


I just a have limited fund i can invest RM 500 hundred per month. At the moment not enogh capital to invest oversea. Hahaha
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Then u should consider robo advisor such as Wahed..

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post Jan 2 2021, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 2 2021, 11:58 AM)
Then u should consider robo advisor such as Wahed..
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I am quite skeptical on this. One of it is due to i am new to this type of investment.

Are they helping me to setup a portfolio or just a stake of their portfolio?
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QUOTE(zell80 @ Jan 2 2021, 01:21 PM)
Please recommend yourself to be TG financial advisor....
With all interest and knowledge you have, definitely will be helpful to him.... smile.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif cute.

PS/PS/PS/PS: should push the price lower? laugh.gif Wait, why are we burning yourself(retailer,isti.fund,FF) up for him? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 2 2021, 01:28 PM)
Then u should consider robo advisor such as Wahed..
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wahed vs stashaway, stashaway better. DYOR.

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QUOTE(PathofLife @ Jan 2 2021, 03:26 PM)
I am quite skeptical on this. One of it is due to i am new to this type of investment.

Are they helping me to setup a portfolio or just a stake of their portfolio?
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just a stake in whatever you buy. miniature.

What stake or STEAK or BEEF or cut do you wish on your plate.?

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post Jan 2 2021, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Jan 2 2021, 08:50 AM)
bursa is rubbish company,
latest ss info dec31 is not on website yet
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not yet next working day.

sabar. laugh.gif

the PIC might be on leave as well.


I don't think will have any significant SS anymore on glove sectors as warrants already expired and price has reached below fair value.

From what I know those back to back SBL from IB already end deal.

But I hope 3.50 magic still effective. Maybe they will create more new SBL. brows.gif

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