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Boon3
post Dec 29 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 29 2020, 12:25 PM)
Just for fun haha. Cause i've been seeing a RM3 gap between them and now it close till on par or even lower. Goes up fast, come down fast as they say  tongue.gif
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That old fart plays mainly on margin. So which glove stock is he whacking on? That one could be facing margin call if the slide continues....



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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Dec 29 2020, 11:39 AM)
Superman and TG same price? hahah
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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Dec 29 2020, 12:22 PM)
big deal ah share price ?

market cap how ?

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For reasons why many bursa counters are penny shares.

Believe there will be another batch of margin forced selling if price dipped or closed below 6.0.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Dec 29 2020, 12:50 PM
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post Dec 29 2020, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 29 2020, 10:33 AM)
Any narrative which fits the view that a rebound is still on the cards.
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Are you referring to rebound for gloves, I assume? If so, IMO, there will be a rebound, not sure 2 days or 2months or 2 years, perhaps it's my wishful thinking.

My currentTP for TG & SPMX is around RM8, Harta is around RM16. I'm aware of the ugly downtrend chart for gloves though, sweat.gif but I'm prepared to hold long. (But I'm not asking others must buy glove or throw glove now la biggrin.gif )
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QUOTE(bakayaro11 @ Dec 29 2020, 12:14 PM)
Hopefully can breakeven b4 it falls to JP Morgan price target. Crazy how local banks can give glove counters crazy high price target while foreign analysts are very bearish.
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One needs to understand/read on what basis/assumption or how valuation is done.

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post Dec 29 2020, 12:55 PM

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Fuh super max full meltdown. Hope uncle vanguard doing ok
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post Dec 29 2020, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Dec 29 2020, 12:50 PM)
Are you referring to rebound for gloves, I assume? If so, IMO, there will be a rebound, not sure 2 days or 2months or 2 years, perhaps it's my wishful thinking.

My currentTP for TG & SPMX is around RM8, Harta is around RM16. I'm aware of the ugly downtrend chart for gloves though,  sweat.gif  but I'm prepared to hold long. (But I'm not asking others must buy glove or throw glove now la  biggrin.gif )
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Yes, I am referring to gloves. What is the narrative for your forecast of a rebound and a TP of RM 8? Genuinely curious to hear.
In near the term, the market is hostage to public sentiment.
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post Dec 29 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Dec 29 2020, 11:44 AM)
I remember those days when banks were bombarded by bad news.

NPL!! OPR CUT!! BANKRUPTCY!! MORATORIUM!! MODIFICATION LOSS!!
SELL! RUN!! until some KLCI banks' forward PEs were 6, 2 of the non KLCI banks had a forward PE of 5 XD

Imagine if the gloves are bombarded until forward PE of 5/6, wow value investors' heaven
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Belum lagi...

How many SME closed down already... Why are you so desperate? It's going to come soon enough. If no problem why moratorium extension for certain party. Of course bank share price dont rely on EPS... Otherwise...
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post Dec 29 2020, 01:11 PM

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Looks like Logistics is in play, wanna grab me some logistics stocks!
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post Dec 29 2020, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Dec 29 2020, 11:19 AM)
link pls.
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There are many but mostly in Mandarin Chinese.
I find one example in English but this vid did not mention any glove stocks.



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post Dec 29 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Dec 29 2020, 11:44 AM)
I remember those days when banks were bombarded by bad news.

NPL!! OPR CUT!! BANKRUPTCY!! MORATORIUM!! MODIFICATION LOSS!!
SELL! RUN!! until some KLCI banks' forward PEs were 6, 2 of the non KLCI banks had a forward PE of 5 XD

Imagine if the gloves are bombarded until forward PE of 5/6, wow value investors' heaven
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There is a bit difference.

Bank, from normal profit to extreme bearish due to moratorium fear of NPL, which doesn't worse as many predicted.
The low PE is because of expectation future profit going to drop a lot, which doesn't materialise.

Glove, from extra-ordinary profit to potential future normalise profit.
The low PE is because of current extra ordinary profit which unlikely to sustain.

So if ASP does drop at all and stay at high profit margin of 40%, 50% for long time, then yes, glove may behave like banks rebound.


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post Dec 29 2020, 02:27 PM

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SPMX inclusion into KLCI is bad timing or expected?
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post Dec 29 2020, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Dec 29 2020, 10:48 AM)
The way it is dropping is scary, when the profits are still more than the previous quarters.
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QUOTE(nauticat99 @ Dec 29 2020, 11:08 AM)
Why calculate based on 2023? 2020 also not over yet, you still have 2021 and 2022. Lots of things can happen in between those years. I am happy if i can even see 6 months ahead for this covid pandemic outcome.
On a brighter note, MGRC is still on its merry way up biggrin.gif
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why 2023 and not 2021, 2022? why not 2025 or 2030?!

if u annualize last QR PAT, current PEs are TG 5.2, spmx 5.2, harta 18.8, kossan 8.6.

will be curious to see if TG and spmx PE will dive to 3 or even 2?! laugh.gif


btw, TG just reiterated ASP and hence PAT will be superb in 2021; spmx next QR should be superb too.

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PETALING JAYA: Top Glove Corp Bhd’s average selling price (ASP) is expected to jump 30% quarter-on-quarter in the second quarter of 2021, on the back of higher volumes from new capacities and product mix skewed towards higher margin nitrile gloves.
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-next-two-years


but sure... if all of mr market sees no future in 2022 or 2023, even PE 1 is too high, i suppose! tongue.gif
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post Dec 29 2020, 02:31 PM

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post Dec 29 2020, 02:35 PM

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“The question now is not about how much profit they can make in 2021, but how much growth is left. The market is looking past the profit of glove companies in 2021, and its focus is now on any potential reversion in glove average selling price, which might come in as early as the second half of 2021.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/no-y...rty-glove-bulls

inb4 price push down cause warrant
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post Dec 29 2020, 02:41 PM

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supermax lower than TG liao rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Dec 29 2020, 02:35 PM)
“The question now is not about how much profit they can make in 2021, but how much growth is left. The market is looking past the profit of glove companies in 2021, and its focus is now on any potential reversion in glove average selling price, which might come in as early as the second half of 2021.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/no-y...rty-glove-bulls

inb4 price push down cause warrant
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Naughty you.....

Anyway... I object la... cos it's the same old story....


MacQ warrants was the best example. 10 warrants on TG shown by me... 1 was in the money. Others? All sapu habis by MacQ. Got need to manipulate meh?
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supermax and tg seem like having the duel dance laugh.gif so cute~
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People keep banging on about the warrant as the reason.
Convenient no?
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post Dec 29 2020, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Dec 29 2020, 12:05 PM)
Yea strong resistance at 2.7 area.. If failed to break then probably will drop to support level
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Interesting article...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/547884?...MrvpDr7XE4Ihy4Y

One thing... How many countries actually has the 5g infrastructure towers?

I thinking....the phones with 5g... is like driving a Fellali in a kampung....
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post Dec 29 2020, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 29 2020, 02:45 PM)
People keep banging on about the warrant as the reason.
Convenient no?
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Worst of all.. some keep instigating it.


Call warrants will always exist, isn't it? If the stock is really worth its weight in gold, why keep grasping at straws?

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