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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V150

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Yggdrasil
post Mar 7 2020, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 7 2020, 10:18 AM)
How good
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Dividend around 3%. It may seem low but no point chasing high dividend stocks because the share price fall quicker resulting in capital loss.
If want high yield, Maybank is ok too but beware as banks can go bankrupt overnight.
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post Mar 7 2020, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 7 2020, 01:46 PM)
U think Maybank can go bankrupt overnight? Even after BNM declare that Maybank, PBB and Cimb are systematically important institutions?
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Important doesn't mean cannot go bankrupt. Low probability doesn't mean impossible.
Just like how people thought that Barings Bank, formerly one of the largest bank in the world, cannot go bankrupt.
All banks are important because they do business with each other and if one collapse, it may affect other banks due to exposure.

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post Mar 7 2020, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 7 2020, 06:00 PM)
Sustainable high dividend stocks generally will make a comeback when sky is clear.

Yes, buying now, may suffer in capital loss due to general overall market in down trend.
But at the same times, we can't know when or what price is the bottom.
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I'm actually referring to companies that are in sunset industries. They may pay high dividends now but everything is 'priced in'.
I.e. other companies offer 4% dividend but these companies offer 7% dividend. Eventually the capital loss per year is 3% offsetting the additional 3% dividend.
Examples can be seen in O&G even in the absence of terrible economic conditions):

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8.39% dividend
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7.30% dividend

QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 7 2020, 06:00 PM)
Banks won't easily go bankrupt overnight compared to prior before 2008 financial crisis.
Since the financial crisis, there are a lot of changes have been made on banking system, especially the requirement for banks to be well capitalised under Basel requirement.
Tier 1, Tier 2 capital basically tell tale of the banks situation.
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Yeah, but Barings Bank collapse wasn't caused by lack of reserves but rather a rogue employee combined with weak internal controls.
Basel, statutory and regulatory requirements are not foolproof too. I used to audit banks and the reserves were underprovided due to human error/intention to boost profits as these are based on the accuracy of the bank's calculation.

I have more to say but can't for obvious reasons. wink.gif Just believe me when I say banks are not 'guaranteed' safe. In fact, I feel that banks in general are riskier than companies with 50% gearing.
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post Mar 7 2020, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(sjteh @ Mar 7 2020, 06:48 PM)
Just look at India YES Bank.
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Wanted to quote that as example but from what I've heard, that bank has already been suffering internal management problems for quite a long time.
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post Mar 9 2020, 05:56 PM

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If oil price keep dropping, O&G and banks are at risk
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post Mar 10 2020, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(spoon2272 @ Mar 10 2020, 02:33 PM)
What do you guys think about REIT?Got future?Nowadays office also so hard to find rental
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Depends which REIT. Poor performing REITs are in bad location and run by bad management. REIT have little future only if world population is decreasing (maybe due to Coronavirus) haha.
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post Mar 13 2020, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 13 2020, 08:44 AM)
Anyone into us market. How will it perform in next next 2 3 months time
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I'm guessing it will freefall until July.

QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Mar 13 2020, 09:59 AM)
Market recession seems imminent now, all the signs are pointing towards it.

What stocks are you guys eyeing for bottom fishing?
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Malaysia: Maybank, Public Bank. Others still looking. Maybe a bit in cheap penny stocks that have high asset backing.
US: QQQ ETF. Maybe Disney once the panic stops.

Almost anything that doesn't go bankrupt will go up in the eventual bull market.
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post Mar 13 2020, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 13 2020, 12:51 PM)
A few years from now ppl be looking back at this week n will say.. Aiiya.. Should have hentam all in.

But in reality is scared..
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Need set entry point or not forever will not enter. In bear market everyone is afraid. All hoping it will drop further so can buy cheaper.
Before you know it, already up biggrin.gif
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post Mar 13 2020, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(masahito @ Mar 13 2020, 07:55 PM)
many so brave catch falling knives

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post Mar 14 2020, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Mar 14 2020, 01:38 PM)
any comment about sunwayReit?
Seems it's very resilient to the recent string of bad news
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I think it's a good investment.

QUOTE(voyage23 @ Mar 14 2020, 02:52 PM)
I'm planning to buy PCHEM due to its all time low price and basically a giant in its field. Recovery is imminent at some point.

Any thoughts?
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No comment. PCHEM should be producing petrochemicals. It's direct competitor should be LCTITAN which is also not doing well.
Do note that the demand for certain petrochemical might continue to drop as people switch to zero plastic waste.
Malaysia has already charged RM0.20 for plastic bags, eateries using paper bags etc..

QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 14 2020, 04:43 PM)
don't understand why people still dare to touch o&g counters  rclxub.gif
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Yeah O&G is pretty much sunset industry. There is abundant oil on Earth.
Just that supply is restricted to a few countries/people just like diamonds.
It's just like the media wants to keep promoting that there is limited land on Earth, so you should buy properties today.

In the long run, I believe many O&G players will either exit or consolidate.
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post Mar 15 2020, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 15 2020, 01:35 AM)
Which also mean the possibility of USD1:MYR4.5 in the next few months.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 15 2020, 10:09 AM)
we are so doomed!!  bangwall.gif
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This is good news for those who kept most of their assets in USD laugh.gif
I think the current trend of MYR is to continue depreciating for the next 10 years.
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post Mar 15 2020, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 15 2020, 03:42 PM)
so the only way MYR can strengthen is by having US to go into recession and devalue their currency ... sad.gif
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Hopefully palm oil and crude oil prices recover so MYR will go back to January level thumbup.gif


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post Mar 15 2020, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Hwangzz @ Mar 15 2020, 05:50 PM)
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Hi, newbie here. May I know what does “no. of securities” mean?
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Number of units of stocks
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post Mar 16 2020, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(Moneylust @ Mar 16 2020, 07:28 PM)
How do you guys deal with the stock and horror of having a significant part of your net worth destroyed?  The recent years have been difficult.
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Don't be afraid to cut loss early.
I mainly invest in ETFs so I can sleep well because the chances of 100+ companies going bankrupt is slim.
If you're invested in only a few companies, good luck! laugh.gif
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post Mar 16 2020, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 16 2020, 08:10 PM)
1.  Don’t buy stocks with ‘scared’ money. ‘Scared’ money means buying stocks with margin accounts, borrowed money or money that you need to use within the next 3 to 4 years.  This will affect our emotion or judgment in selling the stocks when the market is down.
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I thought the definition of scared money is an investor who is afraid of buying the dip because they're afraid it will drop further. Hence, they miss the opportunity and before they know it, the bear market is over.
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post Mar 18 2020, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(mr_tuzki @ Mar 18 2020, 05:06 PM)
AirAsia, what's your thoughts? Lost almost 50% on AirAsia already. Missed the boat to sell last few days. I think as long as they don't go bankrupt (which is not a foregone conclusion, considering all airlines are suffering massively, and if Covid continues they'll all run out of cash!) I should just keep and hold?

Also have Maybank at 8.3x, nothing I can do now, just hold and hope for the best, it should rise eventually.
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It has been making losses for FY 2019 even before Covid. What do you think?

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post Mar 18 2020, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 18 2020, 10:19 PM)
Which companies have lots of landbank in KL?
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Edit: didn't read KL

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post Mar 19 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 19 2020, 01:41 PM)
Bought

Airasia 0.52
Igbreit 1.53

Duno lucky or unlucky , hit my queue :S
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I think can drop a bit more. Too early catch falling kris later run out of bullets.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 19 2020, 04:22 PM)
you mean IGBReit?
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Maybe another 10~15%.
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post Mar 20 2020, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 20 2020, 10:45 AM)
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My funds now. Not doing well. Shall I pull out from all these funds and just use these moneys to buy local stocks myself
Appreciate genuine advice
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Should have just sticked to 1 fund. I heard Kenanga Growth Fund is the best performer.
I wouldn't invest in unit trust unless I don't have a choice.
If I were you, I will pull out from the other funds and put into Kenanga Growth.

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