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billy_overheat
post Jun 4 2021, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 4 2021, 01:38 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif  I was being sarcastic.... ini bukan tipsy goreng la...  doh.gif
refer comments made by ChAOoz
you better no itchy back side .....  tongue.gif
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I know. tongue.gif hahhahahhahaha

Tangan Kiri tukar Kanan. Some hardcore fans calling the few-day movement as sideways and betting for the clarification on the case.
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post Jun 15 2021, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 15 2021, 01:58 PM)
Maybe move on to telegram or other platform. All the old one are missing.

Last time this sub channel was pretty hard on new comers, i also mostly lurked only.
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me too. but compared to all those groups, lyn is still the best place to actually engage in conversations. groups are for spams. laugh.gif

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post Jun 15 2021, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 15 2021, 04:42 PM)
I saw.... no wonder you so happy. laugh.gif
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I'm happy because you have always been unselfishly sharing insights and spider analysis lehhh. seriously. laugh.gif so, i'll still lurk around here laugh.gif
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post Jun 16 2021, 10:33 AM

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if tech is what interests one, aren't stocks like toufu or maybe d&o, a reversal which are on uptrend and tighter range more attractive?
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post Jun 16 2021, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 16 2021, 10:36 AM)
D&O was a miss opportunity lol. but it went back already to jan level already.
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i missed it too lol. was looking at it when it was 1.8. sweat.gif


QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 16 2021, 10:38 AM)
*write down in 555*

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can show me your 555? wub.gif
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post Jun 16 2021, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jun 16 2021, 11:54 AM)
let it sink first
from support level 4.80/4.90, determine after the breakout  rclxm9.gif
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without any catalyst, looks like it will just travel sideways and if one goes in it now, money is likely to be stuck there.

invest wise, one will just buy and forget the password.

which way is more efficient? hmm.gif
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post Jun 16 2021, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 16 2021, 12:39 PM)
yours is widescreen.....  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

mine is macam letter box....  cry.gif

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which is more efficient?
Answer? The one that you are most good at. tongue.gif
Clearly the stock is bias to the downside...
the volume is shrinking - indicating the lack of interest...

so getting in anytime now versus being the patient one... well, which do you choose?

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There are better options out there. laugh.gif the line of least resistance.

And mana ada widescreen. I just crop it to be a rectangle. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jun 16 2021, 01:00 PM)
if invest wise, it's better to do dollar cost averaging
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I'm not sure whether dca is a good way to be used on stocks. But for etf, yeah, dca all the way.

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post Jun 16 2021, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 16 2021, 01:30 PM)
Fuyoooooo ..... LOLR!!!!  flex.gif
see... you champion already la.....  thumbup.gif
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It takes me a long time to find out that there's no distinct difference between investing/trading.

And reading back your writing, now it makes sense to me. But still I will need more time to find out the right setups and most importantly, the psychology of the market and myself. It's always the individual vs the market with all the noise.

But still, how to be better? Eerrmmmm....
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post Jun 17 2021, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 16 2021, 02:52 PM)
1. Knowing how not to lose.

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noted and THAT'S THE FREAKING FIRST RULE. cool2.gif

QUOTE(qsrt1616 @ Jun 16 2021, 03:02 PM)
Treat investing less seriously and make it fun and try not to lose money. Do as much research as possible. If you obtain any information that has yet to be discovered by other market participants, you will make money. The ultimate rule is to get AHEAD of the rest of the market.

So you know oil is going to hit 100$ soon. And people are skeptical about it. So you accumulate them and always be patient and confident about your position. Treat your shares like a form of ownership in a publicly-traded companies rather than being obsessed with technical charts and human behaviours. Pay attention to any shift in macroeconomic trends. Once it hits peak euphoria, you sell. This is the cyclical - contrarian strategy. However, mathematicians and technical chartists oppose this idea and favour models like Monte-Carlo and Fibonacci retracements to predict human behaviour. Whereas economists look at economic data and formulate models around it while eliminating the human element.

Tech companies is the anomaly though. In the end, stocks only go up. Other asset classes are boring
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Totally agree with you with the part of being patient and confident with the position. The companies themselves are crucial to making the decision whether to invest/trade. Long term gains are in favour but I'm still trying to identify the best and most efficient way within my trades/investments. Techs wise, they are of my best performance group till dates. Some were managed to be sold before the peak, some, I missed the peak and took a much smaller profits. So, how do you identify peaks? Charts?

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 16 2021, 08:17 PM)
Investing could be trading, trading is not investing.

An investor relies on earnings, income, growth in the value of assets. A speculator is someone who thinks other people will pay more for it than you did.

Many started as an investor become too smart/over confidence and end up as speculator.

A broken clock is useful twice a day.
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Speculate on good companies with earnings, income, and growth? Like what boon said, trade like an investor? laugh.gif

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post Jun 17 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 17 2021, 11:58 AM)
Trading doesn't need to be reckless laaa....

if you think from a business perspective, trading can be just as intelligent as investing.  smile.gif
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sitting tight is mostly fine for me. Usually when the vol decreases and price goes up, together with some other factors like news and alerts in qr will make me sell, when things clear up a bit and charts go back up, I will then find reentry.

i do like to look at various companies and see how their businesses doing but they are of secondary data, aren't they? all we can do is googling and reading and sometimes confirmation bias happens. hmm.gif hmm.gif

it's a lonewolf job but too much info stirs things up too from various comments. have to strive for a balance. hmm.gif
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post Jun 17 2021, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Jun 17 2021, 12:50 PM)
So you prefer trading or investing long term?
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I don't really trade intraday and most of my holdings are of weeks/months. I did hold some stocks for years. Lol


QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 17 2021, 12:52 PM)
I cannot possibly answer all these.... not without my proper teh to lim....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif apa teh you want to lim?

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2021, 01:14 PM)
Basically for trading/speculator.
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Yup. So, for investing, unless one subscribes for IPOs, or even preferred shares way before the IPOs, then those are of primary, aren't they? I read about your posts and you're mostly screening stocks using FA first, right?
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post Jun 17 2021, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Jun 17 2021, 02:17 PM)
What do you mean by secondary data?
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all the data we obtain via the companies' fillings, news and by the time we got it, it's sometimes already too late. but, to identify the structure of the companies, ie, management, earnings, credibility, they are still useful. so to quote the previous explanation, how do retailers get ahead of the game when most of the time, institutions have much more comprehensive data (regardless their writings of recommendations laugh.gif )

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 17 2021, 02:30 PM)
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Aiyohhh... you are meant to keep it simple....

stop thinking about whether you are trading/investing ....

all you know is know how not to lose.... that's the first step, which you don't want to complicate it too much.

When you enter the trade   buy the stock, know your reason why you are jumping into something where you can possibility lose all your teh to lim money. Your undies too. So you cannot make a half ass decision to buy. If you are going to buy say ... errr .... A .... because you are expecting an earnings turnaround and because of the earnings turnaround, you feel that based on current market valuation or blah, blah, blah ..... now that's your reason to play. If that no longer holds true, think as a business stockist... you are holding stock of saham which are not what you had reasoned it out to be... well, do what's right... sell your stock.

Sounds simple but many a times... ppl  simply loves to complicates the f out of themselves....  and starts finding reason why it's not their fault that the stock A is not turning around as one had assumed....

errr..... complicated enough?

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teh, teh. teh.....  cry.gif
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yeah, i was trying to find a way which suits me before this and kept on contradicting myself for so many years. tongue.gif tongue.gif now, things do seem clearer but it doesnt hurt to keep on learning and improving myself, does it?

mana 555? mana teh teh teh? wub.gif

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post Jun 18 2021, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 18 2021, 03:31 AM)
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If u.s lumber price drop continue, could be a early indicator of u.s stock and other commodities price.
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There was a huge drop across board yesterday but recovered after the day. The heat starts to come off a bit I think and there's a possible huge movement. I'm biased towards the down side.
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post Jun 19 2021, 11:18 AM

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They are in tough spot. do this x boleh do that x boleh. lol fomc meeting becomes the head of market manipulation laugh.gif
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jul 2 2021, 11:25 AM)
They already have enough in their pocket. they can say whatever they want.

I'm looking at this, but i'm not convinced it will fly high once it's break due to the political sentiment

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Does SMA200 plays a big part this chart? boon3 what say you?
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I think he will tell you that MA doesnt tell what you already know from the kosong chart. tongue.gif many use sma/ema for support and resistance and again he will tell you that whatever price breaks whatever line will break, whatever doesnt break won't break. tongue.gif
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post Jul 2 2021, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 2 2021, 11:37 AM)
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vertical climbing the neh....

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how?  brows.gif  brows.gif
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there are only two proper entries for me in daily, for the other, intraday chart is needed and risk is always there, today's vol so far is still less than yesterday and if the vol can't sustain for the other day next week, like you said, exhaustion is imminent.

you bad bad, ask you ada apa in 555 but now baru show after vertical. cry.gif cry.gif

i guess stories work. EV theme + thin floating shares = vertical.

mr cold eye, how did you work this out? where's your PE valuation ohmy.gif negative pe weyyyy. ohmy.gif

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post Jul 2 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 2 2021, 12:15 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif 
This one is simple la.... it's not a bloody stock tip asking you to buy...
instead, it's a good time...
to study and learn how to exit a stock....
even if it's a garbage stock (yaya... this one fits right inside the category) ....

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of course haha i wont ask anyone for tipsy, be it SA or CA, just to mess with you around tongue.gif

all profits are good profits, in such vertical soar, layang-layang a bit and cabut once things are not well

agree with the rubbish term

but of course, ada spidey ada cycley analysis pun ok what laugh.gif

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post Jul 2 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 2 2021, 12:35 PM)
That part I don't agree....

Profits derived from variations from our setup is never ever good.

I am a strong believer in discipline. Sticking to my setups is most important.

Missing a whole bunch of vertical climbers is never a problem for me. Is it for you? tongue.gif
so 11.90... that would have been my exit...  laugh.gif
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not really. missing out is certainly fine for me. setups are extremely important or else FOMO will eventually take back whatever profits we have.

companies like this won't even come out from my screener fundamentally, chart wise it doesn't really have a sound base, it belongs to something which i don't understand confused.gif hence i wont even touch it.

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11.96 would have been my exit since there's a huge roadblock in 12. wont 'hope' for it to break but if it breaks, so shall it be. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 2 2021, 01:01 PM)
Using the Buy/Sell bid queues is not reliable/safe one.....
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ya, everyone can just click/cancel anytime anywhere... time and sales are a better gauge to guess the sentiments i guess?
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post Jul 5 2021, 10:45 AM

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woah, didn't realize that there was a fight over here. lol. if one needs to fight and protect the companies which they bought. it's a bit, eerrr, weird right? laugh.gif

always wonder ehh @Boon3 what's your trade setup? good companies with sound FA with triangle/pennant/flag? tongue.gif

**if one needs to ask advice whether to buy or sell, that means homework is not done enough. for me laaaaaa my dua kupang

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