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skty
post Sep 4 2020, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 4 2020, 12:03 PM)
I have this caveman theory about stock investment.

Thousand of years ago, our ancestors live in caves. They were surrounded by wild animals. In order to survive, they have the "fight-or-flight" mentality, i.e. they could either fight or flee when faced with danger.

Implanted in our modern brain somewhere, this "fight-or-flight" mentality still exists. We will instinctively run in the face of danger whether it is a fire, bomb explosion or a terrorist attack. Survival is paramount. It takes a trained person like a fireman or a soldier to run TOWARDS the danger.

So, similarly for the stock market, when the market is in a bloodbath, this is perceived as a "dangerous" or unpleasant situation. Our brain's first reaction is to run from the danger. With the proper training, experience and discipline, a trader or investor will also learn to confront the "danger". This is not fool proof of course. There is still risks involved and this is where risk management comes in.

So, how do we become a trained investor? Unfortunately, there is no short cut. One has to experience the up and down of the stock market many, many times. Then hopefully we will become one of the battled hardened veterans.
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hahahahaha but I saw some same voice saying the same thing since May, June, July, August, and now September. never learn. tongue.gif

QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Sep 4 2020, 02:54 PM)
I thought you went into tech and no bullet already?

But mad respect for you, dare to go in harta, when it already broke below the RM15.16 neckline

Neckline for the remaining big 3s
- Topglove: RM22.42 (RM7.47 after BI)
- Supermax: RM 16.7 (RM8.35 after BI)
- Kossan: RM13.68 (RM6.84 after BI)
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hahaha bullet still have but it was for day trading. Not for mid/long term holding. Hold tight tight is not the highest level of investing. Those day trading keep bringing my average price down of those hold tight tight share. biggrin.gif

I have said, and here I say again, TA is only supporting role. Head and shoulder very obvious formed, and yesterday price break through the RM15 support and confirming the head and shoulder formation (the 3rd criteria has been achieved). But, and again, TA is only supporting role. FA is the main and if you know the company is doing very well, which not many people will know it, thus causing the panic sales and affecting the TA, you can buy with confidence.

Oh, again, I invest based on value, not price. BI doesn't affect the company business. I don't buy based on BI.

And what make you think Harta won't announce BI if they have enough $$$ in the next report? brows.gif


skty
post Sep 4 2020, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Sep 4 2020, 03:16 PM)
If day trading keep on bringing your average price down, its either that counter is highly volatile or your stock is downtrending.

Usually if you invest via FA foremost like you mentioned, it's hard for new stock to keep on bringing the average price down. It would either average up via accumulation of bigger position. Unless you in and out whole lot and not via averaging, that would explain it.
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Har? day trading/short term investing -> get profit -> bring average holding cost down, no? blink.gif
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post Sep 4 2020, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 4 2020, 03:20 PM)
Slowly descending into the red zone again... selling more than buying.... looks like next Monday....
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IB is chasing all the small sheeps down hill. Question is - are you already waiting at the down hill? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 4 2020, 05:16 PM

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looks like big funds have accumulated substantial glove stocks over the past 2 weeks.

it might be anytime soon they will push up the price. again repeating the cycle. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 4 2020, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Sep 4 2020, 05:44 PM)
There are 12 category stocks in Bursa, but most choose to talk about only 1 category i.e. Healthcare, and didn't felt bored bird watching every single day here.

there are many great stocks in other 11 categories, start looking and don't make this thread boring talking about same thing everyday.
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other stock need to wait, not many here willing to wait. laugh.gif
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post Sep 4 2020, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Sep 4 2020, 06:55 PM)
Was talking about plantation, but nobody bother to know. Most are too focus on healthcare, glove and some unknown tech stock.

What can do, most of the money concentrate on the mentioned sector.
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India is having Covid-19 crisis now wor.

So daring? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 4 2020, 08:14 PM

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IBs have been stealthily buying glove stocks for the past 2 weeks.

Once the bonus issues are in, my own prediction is IB will start to push the price up.

I believe this week is the last chance to grab on dip before the next wave.

Just sharing my observation and thinking, pls don't believe what I say.



Oh, IBs also quietly buying bank stocks for the past 2 weeks. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 5 2020, 10:54 AM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/vacc...er-pressure-fda

again I say, investment need to research research research, then you will know all those news on vaccine release are all for political advantage.

but I like those news as they let me earn a few round from the up and down in an uptrend stock, no brainer. biggrin.gif

the cycle has now begin, releasing good news after accumulating enough at the downhill. Now is the time to lure back small sheeps up the hill. biggrin.gif


bank I say again, the worst only will happen at 2021 Q1 and Q2. You can buy in now and WAIT, sure you can earn money after 2022. But I doubt anyone here willing to do that. tongue.gif

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post Sep 5 2020, 11:36 AM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/chin...llion-chip-rout

good news to the tech stock that I bought.

anticipate the cold war will continue and rise to new height and some tech stock will benefit from it. thumbsup.gif
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post Sep 5 2020, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(OTBB @ Sep 5 2020, 11:41 AM)
The vaccine producers can adopt this stand in the US. Could the vaccine producers go against the CCP regime? Likewise, could Huawei or any other business enterprise adopt different stand against the CCP stand? That is the difference between democracy & authoritarianism. Democracy & examination systems that are adopted in most of the countries in the world are not flawless & perfect. However it is difficult to have any other better systems.
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actually we just need to ask ourselves, how many healthy people willing to take vaccine that is not proven to be safe.

At the end of the day, I myself only believe in WHO statement.
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post Sep 5 2020, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 5 2020, 12:45 PM)
Healthy people could wait and let those in need to take vaccine first.
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you are saying who in need?
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post Sep 6 2020, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Sep 6 2020, 12:22 PM)
Tg gonna make everyone mouth fall open on 17 sep laugh.gif Just hope the price will be reflected based on its qr and eps, cos I noticed recently gloves price do not go along with its eps.

But yea, let's see how on 17 sep.
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invest based on the business. not share price.

don't worry about the share price. it will take its own sweet time. biggrin.gif

buy and wait in an uptrend stock, the opportunity cost is lower. period. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 6 2020, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Sep 6 2020, 05:03 PM)
But it is not equal.

My account executive friend just laughed at me at our Sunday yamcha session. Said I bought TG expensive at RM16 few months ago, and suffering huge loss now. She bought at "half price" on Friday, and will buy more next week.

Accountant pun tak tau pasal share split. I had to educate her.
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post Sep 7 2020, 05:24 PM

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5 days this week.

1 day passed.

4 days more to go.

Are you ready? brows.gif
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post Sep 7 2020, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 7 2020, 05:29 PM)
Is the bull run for glove stocks over? Nobody knows. I was reading the comments in this thread over the weekend. There was euphoria. Glove stock prices will rebound on Monday.

I was not so confident. Why? Because the glove stock prices have not dropped deep enough especially for counters like Supermax. A 5% daily drop is nothing considering the run up of the glove stock prices.

If the glove stocks continue to drop another 5% to 6% daily for the next 5 days, then we can call it a real discount. But by then, how many traders or investors would be left holding the counters? Even today some forumers are quietly cutting their losses. More forumers will be cutting their losses tomorrow if the counters drop another 5% daily and so on.

That is the nature of the Beast. Mr. Market has no memory. It does not remember its price last week and it does not care that you are a shareholder.

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today no sign of big funds buying like past 2 weeks. icon_idea.gif
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post Sep 7 2020, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 7 2020, 05:41 PM)
Going North or going South?
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North lo. When do you see in an uptrend stock, the new low is lower than the previous low one? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 7 2020, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Sep 7 2020, 05:48 PM)
A lot of fund has taken profit on glove last week on the back of strong retail participation.

It was a good exit i believe, as prices has remained largely steady.
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oh. I have a different opinion than you. Maybe your analysis kungfu is better than mine. biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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post Sep 7 2020, 07:48 PM

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oppps. Comfort result so early release. hahaha
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post Sep 7 2020, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Sep 7 2020, 08:58 PM)
I still feel Top Glove PAT/NP should be around 700-800+-mil. This is fair estimation. 1 Bil is the highest i think it could achieved

Whereas 500mil is the lower floor.
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Sep 7 2020, 09:28 PM)
I round up some decimal ya so easier to illustrate

Standard quarter revenue = 1.2b

Last Quarter = 1.6b

Industry Average Margin = 25%

Max Margin = 45%

New Estimated Revenue = 1.8b ~ 2.2b (assumed 2bil average)

70% Revenue via standard negotiation = 1.4b

1.4b x 25% margin = 350mil PAT

30% Revenue on Spot Order = 0.6b

0.6b x 60% margin = 360mil PAT

But if we assume all at high point like supermax blowout quarter, then it would look like this:

2.2B x 45% margin = 990+- mil
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cannot invest like that lo...

go into the business... calculate from the ground up...

how many annual gloves capacity... now easy to calculate because demand = 100% sold out

know the cost price, calculate the ASP, estimate the increase every month...

you get it... 1 bil PAT... sap sap sui...
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post Sep 8 2020, 01:10 PM

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today Bursa red red.

Winter discount! Big sale big sale! biggrin.gif

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