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post Feb 23 2021, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 23 2021, 12:44 PM)
Lady Luck took pity on me again. My huge gamble in Hextar is paying off. Yesterday I sai lang Hextar in tranches until it was about 50% of my portfolio.

At lunch time, it rebounded +10%. My unrealised profit is about +6.38%. I sold off 2/3 of my Hextar shares before lunch at RM1.210. Still holding the balance Hextar shares.

The unrealised profit managed to cover a substantial part of my losses yesterday. May the good luck for Hextar continues after lunch today and tomorrow. sweat.gif
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Wahhh...Uncle, good job! and went until 50% of portfolio...geng.
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post Feb 23 2021, 03:40 PM

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Can I have some advice on the anticipated bottoming of Smax?
Thanks.
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post Feb 23 2021, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 23 2021, 03:48 PM)
such as?
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Sorry if I wasn't being clear. I was referring to the target low, as I'm in super deep red. And can only do averaging down as the last move before cutting loss in the near future.

QUOTE(brokenbomb @ Feb 23 2021, 03:51 PM)
if today close below rm5.44

4.4 and 3.7 is waiting for you
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Thank you very much, brokenbomb. It is getting super low now.
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post Feb 23 2021, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(JohnKekHow @ Feb 23 2021, 04:00 PM)
dont catch a falling knife bro on glove stock
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Feb 23 2021, 04:02 PM)
its downtrend, if i were you i wont average down. id cut loss and jump to other potential counter.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 23 2021, 04:02 PM)
don't average down already man. just decide when to cut losss
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Decided...wanna do it after averaging down one time, lol...I can still tahan one more round.

QUOTE(lowya @ Feb 23 2021, 04:06 PM)
looks like we all have learnt trend is as crucial as fundamental, the hard way, didn't we?
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QUOTE(jianwei90 @ Feb 23 2021, 04:07 PM)
somehow, i believe trend is more important lol..
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Seems like it, lol

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post Feb 23 2021, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(brokenbomb @ Feb 23 2021, 04:08 PM)
i've been in your situation before. holding careplus @ RM5.4 and finally decide to sell @ RM3.2 before rebounding back to RM3.9 the next day.

What u can do is to partial let go your positions. batch by batch.

theres always next time..next trade.. next opportunity..
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Thanks for your response...yes, I've conceded to the fact that recovery will be unlikely, and going for long term few years horizon as of this point seems to be fuzzy, no matter how strong the fundamentals look like. So, I'm changing approach and decided long term will not be feasible. Sad case.

I think I may be cutting my Smax losses in two batches eventually.

QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Feb 23 2021, 04:15 PM)
I have no advice for you, but I only can say, I'm with you in the same boat. console.gif  I'm suffering losses with TG & Harta now, and almost caught another knife in Comfort. (thanks to @skty, I was spared  sweat.gif )

I feel sorry for those at penthouse level.  ohmy.gif  I sincerely hope their finances won't hurt too much.
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Thanks for the console.gif losses...that's life, have to embrace it because it was our own decisions, no one else's...

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post Feb 23 2021, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 23 2021, 04:40 PM)
No choice. I learned my lesson the hard way a few years ago when I was planning to invest in stocks for the long term.

Now I believe in capital preservation and living to fight another day!  smile.gif
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Uncle, what the hard lesson that you've gone through? Can share in general if not convenient.

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 23 2021, 04:44 PM)
I am sorry to hear about your unrealised loss in Supermax.

If you are using Rakuten, you can sell in different batches on the same day. Rakuten will average out the selling price. All the transactions will be consolidated and you will only pay once for the trading fees, stamp duties, etc. for transactions for the same stock done on the same day.
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Thanks, Uncle, for your comfort too...and the advise on the selling as I'm using Rakuten.
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post Feb 23 2021, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 23 2021, 08:49 AM)
I invest using the Bank platform where I am currently employed, as I enjoy staff benefits and sales charge waivers. If I were not attached to a bank, I would probably consider FSM.
Also am trying out robos like Stashaway, which is quite good and should fit newbies with the lower fee structure. Been tracking the returns on a 36% risk portfolio and it has been positive so far.

Us financial professionals might have reason to think that we may be better equipped to self manage though that can work against us if we don't have our own self-monitoring checks.
Even if we earn, is it the best possible return for us considering our options? That is why annually I do a performance check between my own stock portfolio and the funds I am invested in. Money goes to the better performer.

The key here is picking the right funds, which is like picking the right stocks. It can be too easy to just pick a fund without proper homework. And then monitor the performance from time to time. That is why many ended up with bad funds. Myself included when I first started. As an example last year my Tech fund did 40% while the China fund did 30%, both handily beat my own performance in Bursa. I think it should be the same story this year, with other markets having better potential than Bursa overall.
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Ah, the perks of sales charge waivers, lol...nice...I'm also trying out StashAway, diversifying out and trying out DCA and for long term purpose. I've heard good things about it. What's your expectation on it on per annual returns?

I think the tech and China funds are quite good to foray into this year as well...I'm looking at some funds recommendation from my banks and is currently considering to put some into them.

I'll aim to trim down my exposure in Bursa stocks moving forward...don't think it's the right time/right for me as of now, to have too much invested in it until I can get over some losses slowly to balance my mind out, lol
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post Feb 23 2021, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 23 2021, 05:02 PM)
honestly if i were you, i probably wouldn't be averaging down now.
i think i also mention before that don't fight the mega trend.
if i were to average down, is prolly when it is really down, but the million dollar question is, how low is low?
be ready to hold this for a long time if you decide not to cut loss but average it down further.
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Yes, indeed, how low is low. I'll let you guys know my outcome soon.

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 23 2021, 05:20 PM)
My hard lesson in investment. I posted it here before in March 2020 and some of the forumers here laughed their head off. But it's OK. I got no ego issue.  smile.gif

To re-cap. Sometime in April 2017, I had a hot run in Bursa. Gold finger. Nearly every single stock that I bought went up. By October 2017, my unrealised profit was about RM110K. Not including dividend payment of about RM14K for the year.

Usual story. I got cocky. Nothing can go wrong. No cut loss policy. Even when the TA and FA turned sour.

Fast forward. By 2019, loss of about RM190K. Overall portfolio down by -50%.

Moral of the story. Please learn from my mistakes.

Decide early.

1. Are you a trader or a long term investor?
2. To average down or to cut loss when the stock is down -10%?
3. Do you have an entry and exit plan?
4. Diversify across different sectors if possible.
5. For investors, what is your definition of long term? Anything less than 1 to 2 years is only short term.

P/S:  Paper trading or doing things in theory is very different from practice. Read more investment books and trading books. Do not trade stocks with money that you cannot afford to lose. It is a one way road to Holland.

My 2 cents... thumbsup.gif
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Thank you so much for sharing, Uncle. Those pointers, I'm now constantly applying them to my ever evolving approach, to see what fits me most, uniquely to me. I must say I've changed quite a bit since...and will constantly try to improve from my grave mistakes. Long journey ahead...

...and yes, in your 40s doesnt make you an uncle, but don't know why people call you that here...I think 40s is an extremely sexy age wub.gif
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post Feb 23 2021, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 23 2021, 08:46 PM)
hello.

I saw urgency on your post so I will like to prioritize reply to you first just hoping to help you make a more rational and informed decision instead of a pressured/panic decision.

Pls check your inbox.
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Thank you very much for your time and effort.
The (only) good thing that came out from venturing into stocks is getting to know you all here.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 23 2021, 09:33 PM)
My expectation is double digits annually, so if it clears 10% I'm good with it.
Here is the 2020 returns (I"m on the 36% risk index) : https://www.stashaway.my/r/our-returns-2020

Keep an eye on management and sales fees, these can seriously eat into potential profits.
On your SPMX losses, many years from now when you're in retirement and looking back at your life, I don't think the deep red losses will change your life that much.
In fact, you may be able to laugh at it and have learnt a thing or two about your own investing style.

I'm happy to see you getting thoughts from skty on thinking through how to handle your position. Leveraging on the wisdom of others is the way to go when things start to go sideways and you need a second pair of eyes.
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I saw their returns for 2020 earlier too and was quite surprised to see how high it is for RI 36%. Even their lower RIs are also getting double digits. My aim is hopefully not unachievable, as I too am looking at 10% with my RI 36. To me, that's very good already for something that needs little monitoring.

And...yes, about Smax...indeed, it'd serve as one of the stories to tell in the future years.
On that leveraging part, you taught me that in one or two posts ago...trying to put it into practice smile.gif
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post Feb 24 2021, 03:12 PM

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So red @_@'''

I'm no chartist...so gotta ask those who are...who's envisioning it to be worse later? Wanna prepare my heart a bit.
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post Feb 24 2021, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 24 2021, 03:10 PM)
apparently this is the reason for the drop.

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/compa...amp-duty-report
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Is this a good move? hmm.gif
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post Feb 24 2021, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 24 2021, 03:19 PM)
Glove stocks in deep red

Esceram down -13%, Ruberex -9%, Supermax -7%, Top Glove -7% etc.

Time for my kamikaze mission? Vanguard sledgehammer move? 😅
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Uncle, come tell us what's your mission impossible today, lol...
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post Feb 25 2021, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Feb 25 2021, 11:17 AM)
Where are the "diamond hands" of glove stocks? Despite being prepared to hold long term, my hands have become "trembling hands". Gotta say, I regretted a bit buying a bit of TG at RM5.23 today.  sweat.gif

From TG Telegram grp, looks like some have cut loss. I think most of TG shareholders already have a lot of TG & collected enough, waiting to sell now. No one wants to collect anymore.

As I mentioned before, the recoveries are now the new darlings. Tech stocks too, esp Inari, Vitrox, after posting excellent results.
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Haha, yes, trembling hands eventhough prepared for it, can totally relate.


QUOTE(skty @ Feb 25 2021, 12:53 PM)
user posted image
30cent div = 42.86 EPS

I think they should do better than spmx.
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It's good, yes, if foreign inflows are to these 3 gloves?
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post Feb 25 2021, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 25 2021, 02:01 PM)
there is FF buying gloves.

and EPF has been buying, now at close to 6% again for TG and harta.

the furious sellers are local IB's like maybank, maybe for their multiple call warrants expiring tmr.

there are more in march, may, june.... but these are pretty much out of the money now.
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Thanks for this.
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post Feb 25 2021, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 25 2021, 03:26 PM)
I know...reinforcements have arrived for Comfort and Careplus...

The marines are here!  tongue.gif
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Hopefully they keep coming.
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post Feb 26 2021, 12:48 AM

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I like how bustling it is today with so much conversations to read.

I feel it's good that more are sharing what we have, what we sell, etc. Feels more relatable then talking about just concepts, which I feel, Bursa doesn't seem to go well with. Everything also say "dah priced in"...when things don't go as expected. I think in reality, Bursa just don't have much sense half the time :X

So to share, today didn't buy anything...macam nothing steady to buy, too scared of volatility.

I do have EITA, which has plummeted alot, now thinking to cut loss tomorrow.
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QUOTE(buddy @ Feb 26 2021, 11:53 AM)
Anyone holding jftech? Is it wise to average..i m at 1.785
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 26 2021, 12:04 PM)
I cut loss on JFTech already.

Please proceed with caution. This stock is very volatile. The valuation is not attractive. You are averaging down at your own risk.

At the end of the day, it is your money and your call.

Everyone has different views. I could be wrong.
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QUOTE(JohnKekHow @ Feb 26 2021, 12:07 PM)
Im already cabut at 1.49 today  laugh.gif

If you are holding on longer term...buy all mean just go buy
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I'm no expert, but I've cut loss yesterday. No matter what people say about its valuation la, potential la, etc.

Just to share with everyone...my heart no matter how steady, it's wavering a lot lately. The riding through the tsunami was doable, but only if your concrete building can withstand it. I also take cue over many forummers here, that sometimes cut loss is okay. Capital preservation is the most important (Uncle Vanguard say one, lol).
Cuz, you don't know how low it will go...why wanna be stubborn...just admit we made some unwise decision, and let go for another fight elsewhere. You cry also the money won't grow back, take action will.

Also, from the simple table Vanguard shared, if it goes beyond 20% down, you need great spike to breakeven. You wanna wait on? Go ahead. Like me, I've waited for ages...those 20% became 30%, 40% loss...stupid or wise? Time will tell, but now is not the time to prove this principle, haha...when money loss is too huge.

Sorry that I'm sharing mostly about losses, I think it's important to give the other perspective rather than posting about gains (which seldom happen to me yet, haha).
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post Feb 26 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 26 2021, 12:10 PM)
wa... today no counter to play.  rclxub.gif

my homework done yesterday all no momentum. Can throw away the homework already.  sad.gif
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Maybe they will take place this afternoon?

Today is so damn red, sigh...

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 26 2021, 12:11 PM)
I agree with the bolded part. Bursa is really not attractive in this current political and economic climate.

I do have global exposure via FSM One Malaysia, PRS and Stashaway. In the long run, they have been outperforming my individual Bursa stocks performance with less time and effort.

Trading or investing in Bursa now for me has become a hobby. If I have to rely on Bursa stocks alone for my retirement fund, I think I die liao.  smile.gif

Edited : I think I have seen you in the Low Yat stock forum for years. Cannot be that you are just starting now. Unless you are referring to just starting to buy US stocks.
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Feb 26 2021, 12:20 PM)
Still can start now uncle, not too late and it's a good timing, since the US market is slowly correcting.  tongue.gif
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I'm thinking the same, as I've shared previously, that it's better for me to move my funds to invest in UTs. Probably good for sanity this year, lol...Bursa, tried, great experience, but too erratic as of this moment.

Hi, silverwave...what do you diversify in?

My side here has started on StashAway. Gonna get some UTs from bank. I haven't tried FSM, but this includes self-monitoring, so can't say I trust myself anymore of late, lol

I know many here has other platforms...share them, guys?
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QUOTE(MedElite23 @ Feb 26 2021, 03:42 PM)
Sis may I know if you are a trader or investor? Selling solely because share price dropping when fundamentals remain intact may be one of the most expensive lessons to be learnt, especially if you’re in for the long haul and you’re not investing with money you’ll need to use soon. I understand it’s futile to say all these since you’ve cut loss, just thought it would be helpful to ask yourself the role you play in stock investing and how long do you plan on giving for the business to blossom,so to speak.

Jia you! You’re not alone in this journey. smile.gif
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So many replies to my post, thanks, everyone.

I reply to this first. Wanted to tell you I've cut loss, yes, but only a portion of my holdings. So, it's not futile, lol

I ventured into stocks as an investor as a start. Bought those with good fundamentals, like gloves...then it came to this, no faults of anyone, but gloves went down so much that even when I have the heart to stay true as an investor, let me ask the other way round...will you cut loss for now if you see them go 20-40% loss? Or...can stomach to close eyes and don't check the stocks until years later smile.gif

Having said the above, experiences change people...so for now, although wanna stay as investor...maybe Bursa is not the place presently until I gain back some confidence, hehe

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post Feb 26 2021, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Feb 26 2021, 04:13 PM)
Investing is about fundamental.
But entry point also important.

Glove stocks generally has good fundamental even pre-covid, but the problem was share price already up 500%, 700% at the high time, and those low PE is because extra-ordinary profit which unlikely to be recurring when pandemic subsides.

Look at HYuan latest QR profit, its QR PE is even lower than some gloves.
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I agree on the entry point.

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