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post Feb 19 2021, 10:51 AM

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May I ask for any gou yan here to provide some guidance on Smax price now, lol...do you foresee this a good level of low this far?
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post Feb 19 2021, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 19 2021, 12:25 PM)
Based on fundamental, Supermax is good. But based on TA, not good. Still going downhill. This applies for all the glove stocks.

Do you plan to invest long term? If so, this is not the counter for that purpose.

For trading, maybe. But need to time the entry.

I usually go into the glove stocks for a quick kill only nowadays.
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It was supposed to be long term but it plunged so bad, I have no choice but to try ride it out. Now, I'm hoping to average it down seeing it's gone below 6 and see I can see any hope/reduce loss if I were to cut it in the coming months.

I agree too that gloves nowadays are only good for trading, quick in quick out. How unfortunate for great fundamental companies like them to be in such light.

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post Feb 19 2021, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 19 2021, 12:46 PM)
You are welcome bro. This chart might help you to make the correct decision.

If we lose            / Gains required to break even

10%                        11.11%
20%                        25.00%
30%                        42.86%
40%                        66.67%
50%                        100.00%
75%                        300.00%
90%                        900.00%

I used different methods to minimise my losses. Either average down by doubling down, cut loss at 10% or more, buy another stock that gained money, etc.

A painful lesson that I learned a few years ago is to let the losses run to 30% to 40%. This is now a big no no for me.

I wish you the best.  :thumbsup:
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This table...you know, I realised as well when I was watching similar simulation on how much we have to claw back if it dips beyond recognition. Initially I thought those 30-40% losses can recover if I wait on, but sometimes, reality for some of those may just be not worth the wait. I accepted that this is my lesson and need to put a hard stop loss no matter what my emotions say.

Thanks for the guidance, Uncle...and I'm a sis, not bro, lol happy.gif
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post Feb 21 2021, 01:56 AM

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So many quality and interesting posts, gonna take me a while to read through them!

Sometimes I wonder...how many of you guys here are halfway through or already close to meeting your retirement target? Does stock investment help towards your retirement funds so far?
Or it's a combination of having something to look forward for (thrill + income)?
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post Feb 21 2021, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Feb 21 2021, 07:04 PM)
Anyone holding Serbadk? smile.gif
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Me...thinking of just selling it off for a loss cuz I entered high. You?
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post Feb 22 2021, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Feb 22 2021, 02:44 AM)
What is your average acquisition price? I entered quite high and averaged down for the whole of 2020 only to be disappointed by the sleeping giant.

It has good fundamentals though, what’s your reason for not waiting and holding for a longer term?
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RM2. I let my losses run deep, so no more of this moving forward...I want to die die one time pain cut those I don't plan to keep for long if they incur beyond 10-15%.

Fundamentals seem to be not a good reference point nowadays. I mean, I used that to keep those stocks I thought could at least maintain, or drop max 10% over the time, but presently, seems that this doesn't work well with me cuz eventually they go >30% lower, sigh...maybe just my luck too.
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post Feb 22 2021, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 22 2021, 10:35 AM)
Tasco? haha..
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I no understand...why Tasco would go down? I don't have the stock, just wondering.
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post Feb 22 2021, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 22 2021, 10:36 AM)
If not for the influx of retailers, the KLCI might be hanging around the 1300 level now. biggrin.gif
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I getting quite demotivated with our Bursa, felt like I should channel most investment back to ETFs, less stress and sustainable returns, lol
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post Feb 22 2021, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 22 2021, 10:52 AM)
i also cannot understand, vaccine arrived, people see DHL also can transport vaccine perhaps? i see the transportation from airport to storage area actually don need ultra low temp freezer.

even at sarawak, their trial also they also use hilux send only. just need good insulation container.
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Funny, isn't it?

QUOTE(ahyean1771 @ Feb 22 2021, 10:54 AM)
Because the truck was not Tasco...

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I was thinking to myself that this can't be the reason..lol...but looks like it is

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 22 2021, 10:56 AM)
your mood is representative of everyone.

bursa/klci looks screwed for many more months to come, more so if moo manages to extend emergency until year end.
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Trying to give out positive vibes by not sighing, but indeed have to face reality.
At the same time, why local retailers we have left now still holding on...won't we all eventually run off too?
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post Feb 22 2021, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 22 2021, 11:06 AM)
this is a stage barrier that everyone has to go through. Many can't cross over.

if you can get over it, you will be successful.

good luck.  :thumbsup:
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I did tell myself that...but also doubting if it's a fine line between being stubborn (refuse to face the fact and numbers), or being convinced with our beliefs regardless of this 'temporary' situation and holding on, riding it through.

Over weekend, I gave it some thoughts. Cut loss for the deep reds, and move on. Way forward, will remain flexible with Bursa...maybe will treat it as hit and run for now, if there's anything good.

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post Feb 22 2021, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 22 2021, 11:13 AM)
what stock you want to cut?
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Gloves happy.gif more than 30k loss there...it's not a glorious thing to share out, but I think it's good to open up, lol...easier to embrace the situation when you face it, haha
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post Feb 22 2021, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Feb 22 2021, 11:38 AM)
Thats the funny part. Ppl r ‘amused’ for a long time. Something to learn here, one picture or one piece of news will send those gamblers running. No amount of pitching by gurus or sifus will bring them back. Buy on rumours, sell on news
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Also, I think those who ran, came back, and ran away again will sustain so cuz we are still in various lockdowns over this year...people can have more time to do side trades. I can imagine when this period slowly dissipates, we'll see less of them/us already, lol

Anyway, how's everyone doing this Mon morning?
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post Feb 22 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Feb 22 2021, 11:59 AM)
Don't worry, once market surge again, everyone will be back.  devil.gif

The slow current period give us a good lesson, don't FOMO.
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Yeah, FOMO wrong time, then it's ticket to Holland.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 22 2021, 11:59 AM)
You could be absolutely right for the investment strategy for yourself.
Keep regular comparisons between your investments. If your ETFs are making way more than your stock portfolio, wouldn't it be logical to channel more funds that way?

Keeping a smaller stock portfolio could take off some of the stress and keep yourself in the game.
Sometimes what we want at the end of the day if not just profits, but also the experience of having done it.
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Yes, and yes. Previously I'm more of thinking and less doing. So stocks is an eventual thing I'd do anyway for the experience, and to see how I fare. If I try and realised this is not my forte, or worse, pulls me down, then I'd re-channel my effort elsewhere. I see myself grow a lot in this short period of time, thanks to venturing into stock market. Exposure and learning is something appreciate regardless of outcome.

QUOTE(skty @ Feb 22 2021, 12:06 PM)
you want to cut loss and bring the money to where to earn back?
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If you're talking about stocks, then I'm looking at bringing them to a more stable sector for long term hold, or take another stab at hype sector, lol...haven't decided yet as of now.
If you mean besides stocks, then I'm looking at ETFs. Also putting in some to StashAway for long term.

Recovery will be longgg for me, haha
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post Feb 22 2021, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 22 2021, 12:52 PM)
if you haven't decide what to do with the money from cut loss, then no point to cut loss now, especially it's due for rebound soon as it's currently oversold.

you need to find opportunity first then cut loss. And if you want to cut loss, you can cut when it rebound.

if not after cut loss now, if the stock rebound then you are stuck in the middle of nowhere.

my 2 cents.
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Thanks, skty. Yes, what you've said make sense. My plan in cutting loss is also not immediately like, today...cuz I feel they can rebound and then cut by then to reduce the pain. I'm preparing my mind for the execution, so to speak, and what you've said helped with that approach, appreciate it.
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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Feb 22 2021, 03:27 PM)
I entered dnex at 0.80last Friday morning due to FOMO.. can not control my hand ..
it drop 10+% to 0.69 and luckily continue average down .. Looks like the music won’t stop so soon
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The movement is so volatile...scary looking at it, lol
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post Feb 22 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 22 2021, 05:07 PM)
Our consistent strategy for handling adversity.
Kick it down the road.

My own money also flowing out to other markets.
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Hey statikinetic, if you don't mind sharing, what's your main allocation of investment focused on?
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post Feb 22 2021, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 22 2021, 05:45 PM)
And the market is closed!

I have no time to monitor the market these few days.

I decided to cut loss on many stocks today. Gave back all my profits for this month to Mr Market. But I still have many stocks left including glove stocks!

I decided to sai lang into Hextar today. Win big or go home. 

If the market continues to downtrend, to have a second round of cutting loss tomorrow.

Capital preservation is paramount. Sometimes, we need to know when to fold our cards and live to fight another day.  sweat.gif
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Uncle, you very brave on Hextar, lol...what is your current % with it?

Also, one question, why did you decide to cut loss today instead of waiting for tomorrow...are you foreseeing most of those stocks you cut have no hope?

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 22 2021, 06:40 PM)
Do you mean allocation within my stock portfolio, or an investment breakdown overall?
I need to provide more context when sharing a breakup as I wouldn't want an info to influence anyone in the general public without the proper reasoning.
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Your investment overall smile.gif Reason for asking is also to benchmark against a sound financial investor like you, lol
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post Feb 23 2021, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 22 2021, 07:40 PM)
I’ll try to elaborate as I have a feeling your question inherently is about the how rather than the what.

Short TLDR answer : About 20 - 25% in KLSE stocks, the rest in various funds.

Longer answer :

The bulk of my investments are in a few select funds, with the rest I manage myself in Bursa equities. The investment funds vastly outperform my own performance, which is why I stick with them and they have grown into a significant position in my portfolio. Underperforming fund usually are cut rather quickly.

I utilize certain investment funds as a method to invest in certain markets where I am not confident of my own competency, or have limited tools to do so. Like the China market for example. Each market is a unique pool with micro and macro view. Imagine the nuances in Bursa investment affecting overall sentiment, local market is difficult enough much less going to foreign markets. This is where I tap on professional expertise to do it. It can be geographical (Asian, China, etc) or it can be sector specific (Tech). If I find the right fund to execute the approach I want, I buy in. Even minus off annual management fees, it is consistent double digits.

This also has to do with my day job in an FI. My department covers 30 markets, which helps my understanding. But the main benefit is the FI’s investment arm platform which I enjoy staff benefits. For example, zero fees and charges. I make full use of it.

On local equities, I tend to do individual research and more importantly rely on the advantages that I as an individual, enjoy. My childhood friends are in senior positions in the Penang semi-con Tech scene, either directly with the public companies or in their major suppliers. I won’t mention names, but the companies are trading between RM3 to 6 now I think. If new Production lines are setup, I usually will know in which location and how many. My siblings are in other non-Tech public companies, so I hear stuff going on.
What I want to say is this : Your best investment strategy is unique to you. Your expertise. Where you work. Your social circle. Make best use of what you have. Peter Lynch is absolutely right.
I hope this adequately answered your query?
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Thanks for taking time writing this. It somehow feels real to read that for someone as well tuned to the markets as you, do also rely more on investment funds that give better returns than own self managed funds. I kinda have the perception that you guys are more equipped to manage it on your own and could save more from not having to pay for the fees. I used to think sales fees are very high, but seeing the healthy returns after minusing charges incurred by banks in their funds, I feel it's absolutely worth it, especially when it takes away the stress from constant monitoring, and attempting things we are not so great at. Of course, you'll have those times when funds are not performing (like my previous ones, they suck).

You're right on being true to the investment strategy that best fits us. No one size fits all. And I'm finding my own suit now...discovery phase.

Would you mind to share if you mostly invest in the other funds through banks or platforms like FSM?

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post Feb 23 2021, 09:43 AM

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Does KGB get affected by this vaccine arrival? Seems to be going down quite a bit.
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post Feb 23 2021, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Feb 23 2021, 09:44 AM)
KGB is linked with tech/semicon so it goes down with tech.
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Oh, I didn't know this. Thanks!


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