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post Aug 7 2020, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 7 2020, 02:40 PM)
Can it hit 30 though?
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If profit is way better than the required 876m. Definitely. Else the share price is only as good as what the next buyer is willing to pay for
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post Aug 7 2020, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Aug 7 2020, 02:48 PM)
Last few weeks ago, there was a article of dream TP is Rm100.

Rm30 still cheap if can reach Rm100.  rclxm9.gif
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I like how theres so much optimism for the gloves. Hoepfully, more people will throw other counters to chase high in gloves
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post Aug 7 2020, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(rwb911 @ Aug 7 2020, 02:55 PM)
HLT, notion, esceram...time to say byebye? Or better to hold till Monday?

Looking at things, I can't help but agree that gold is the trend now. Maybe that's the high people are chasing for.

But pandemic is still on-going. Gloves will always be needed for now. How many are buying gold anyway, and will it be as sustainable as time goes on?

My suggestion: can hold the gloves still, but goreng abit gold is fine.

Thoughts?
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Gold is also needed to hedge against inflation.
Both gloves and gold counters are overvalued unless their QR reach the required earnings. Just goreng anything with the largest positive momentum, and cut loss if turns turn sour.

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post Aug 7 2020, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 7 2020, 03:33 PM)
yeah today can close case. i think i wont hold muiprop over weekend..
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Trading is not easy. Most traders lose money (even if their skills are above average), because their funding is not as large as the fund managers.
Fund managers can easily swing a counter in a direction if they want to especially in Malaysia. Thats why pump and dump scheme is very popular here.

90% of the traders lose money to the 10%. Thats how fund managers earn their bonuses.
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post Aug 7 2020, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 7 2020, 04:07 PM)
Similar occurred during property bull run a few years ago, typical of bull run scene.
nothing is more certain than price rise during bull run.
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Now property market is finally dying.
But like how forum gurus bait new traders, property-turned-auction gurus sweet talking keep luring new buyers, acting as resistance to the price drop.
Maybe need a few more years to reach property market bottom.

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post Aug 7 2020, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 7 2020, 04:11 PM)
Supermax............... -82 cents in 10 mins.
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Glove counters will eventually die. I dont think monday QR will be able to hit the required earnings per quarter to meet market consensus of PE25. In fact PE 25 is already high for rational fundmental investors unless their ROE is close to 3 digits

Just your book profit while you still can.

I hope then they die, they will crash other counters together for us to buy cheap cheap biggrin.gif

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post Aug 7 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(mojo86 @ Aug 7 2020, 04:24 PM)
Is it a good idea to hold on to gloves until the QR next week? Am making some losses currently.
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Not a good idea, unlikely that their QR outperform the required earnings. (e.g harta underperform more than 50%)
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 7 2020, 04:36 PM)
Probably croc to flush out weak mind retailers so they could pick up cheap price.
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Or crocs are distributing, not too much not too little to maintain the price, to continue distribute next week.
Need professional technical analysis traders advice on this.
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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 7 2020, 04:38 PM)
Seriously though are Malaysian investors so weak-minded? Small correction already start to panic sell. Sorry I told you guys to calm down but now I really cannot hold back my frustration. This is too crazy
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A lot of people buy without knowing what they bought, just following trend, momentum or advice. Very hard for people not to panic sell.
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post Aug 7 2020, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(kembayang @ Aug 7 2020, 04:40 PM)
I have no more bullets.
With swap stocks between gloves to tech or jewelry.
Is this a sign of end game?
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Gurus will come up with a new 'goreng' sector to trap us
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Aug 7 2020, 04:40 PM)
I have no more bullets.
With swap stocks between gloves to tech or jewelry.
Is this a sign of end game?
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Gurus will come up with a new 'goreng' sector to trap us
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post Aug 7 2020, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 7 2020, 04:45 PM)
guys i already lost 50k
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Wow if you can lose RM50k. You must be really rich. Some people dont even have the chance to lose 50k.

Last time I traded, I lost 16k

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post Aug 7 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 7 2020, 04:47 PM)
I disagree. But you aren't wrong either. It is the Dunning-Kruger effect. People think they are the next Warren Buffett when they win and they will start to lose all confidence if they lose like today. You never learn if you don't kena burn at least once. Just like when you learn how to drive motor. At least you will fall once.
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I cant agree more on this. When i started trading, I earned so much that I thought I could be a full time trader. Lessons learned. Now, even though I see others trading and earning massive profit, I have the discipline not to join and stick only to the fundamentals.
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QUOTE(ratloverice @ Aug 7 2020, 04:49 PM)
Well... Now i really am curious about which college you are studying at lol.
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Who says we are students? We may be professional working adults
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post Aug 7 2020, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(ratloverice @ Aug 7 2020, 04:56 PM)
He mentioned that he's earned enough for his college fees la.
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What a legend!! I dont even have 5 digits when I was a college student

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post Aug 7 2020, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 7 2020, 05:02 PM)
last minute got out of HLT profit 200k I bought low enough. Seriously this will be my last time playing goreng stocks. Let's go back to blue chips
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WOWWW congratulations man. 200k profit. You have the potential to be a good trader

Salute man. You have my respect. How do you find so much capital to play? Contra?
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post Aug 7 2020, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 7 2020, 05:05 PM)
Yeah I went all in in TopGlove and Supermax
It was such a dumb play but it worked out in the end.
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Congratulations man. Dont throw all your profits to goreng again. Pay your college fees 1st
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post Aug 7 2020, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 7 2020, 05:10 PM)
Thanks dude. I hope you are doing well as well. I am going to the bank next week to cash out all profits. I will stay here to give advice to other newbies and hang out with you haha. But for all members, new or old, don't try to recommend goreng stocks anymore. We do not want newbies to repeat our mistakes. Teach them about value investing and learning about fundamentals and answer questions smile.gif Have a great weekend
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Happy to share biggrin.gif. With the current trading hype on going, there's no need to panic buy any undervalued counters now. People might continue throwing those counters to chase high elsewhere. Just start searching for the counters and put it in your watchlist.

My painful lesson: I kept buying BIMB and Takaful, when others were throwing, now have few ks paper loss for the counters

There's a possibility that we will have good deals after Sept30. When everyone has to cash out for loan repayment (end of October month). Try to fish near end of Oct.
Or if the gloves selldown successfully trigger panic selling in other counters, we can try to get some good deals too.
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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Aug 7 2020, 06:38 PM)
Dear sifu. Just to share.
Most of the counters overpriced. But I believe BIg 4 gloves can still maintained.

Poh Kong seems very undervalued even the recent price surge. Anyway to check their current physical gold stocks? I found out the below link which mentioned this counter is still got lot of rooms to growth?

https://simplywall.st/stocks/my/consumer-du...s-berhad-shares
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There are multiple ways to find the intrinsic value of a stock. Depending on the approach you use, each approach will give different intrinsic value and the values sometimes vary VERY DIFFERENTLY. The safest way to get check whether the stock is undervalued is to use all approaches and get a range for the values. If the current stock price is below the range, then it is an undervalued stock.

I personally dont use all approaches then get a range, because some of the approaches are irrelevant to the particular stock. The safe way for you is to come up with your own comfortable approach to value a stock and check against the valuation given online, dont just follow anything given blindly. Hope it helps biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mojo86 @ Aug 7 2020, 07:36 PM)
Haha I agree. Looking back I always wished I invested more money in certain counters cause my profit will never reach 6 figures, even if the price goes up by 60%. But as a newbie I have no confidence in putting in so much money that I can earn 6 figures on one stock.

I would like to think that people who take big risks can earn big but also lose big down the road if they're not careful and simply hantam. And we might not make that much but at least we can sleep somewhat peacefully at night.  biggrin.gif

My ultimate goal is to learn enough so one day I'll have the confidence to put a huge amount of money on a stock based on proper research. But that is quite far away..looking for a sifu  smile.gif
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You can do it. Put you heart into it and learn bits by bits everyday. Even just reading a page relating to stock valuation will be helpful.
Here's some info for you on how to get 6 figures if you are willing to hold boring counters for long term: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvSeEVuhmwY


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