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post Jan 7 2021, 05:15 PM

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Biden won. Start betting on small cap value stocks?

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post Jan 7 2021, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(on this day @ Jan 7 2021, 08:18 PM)
Have to agree that bursa has lost the attraction. FF outflow can be the best witness.
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https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-investors-back
Foreign fund has been flowing out since 2014.
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post Jan 7 2021, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Rudy95 @ Jan 7 2021, 09:46 PM)
Where to buy crypto? Interested to invest too.
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LUNO. regulated by SC, just dont hold too long - monitor actively, google search trend for bitcoin and ethereum is projected towards 100 real soon.
Last time the bubble burst 1 week after the search trend reaching 100.

QUOTE(New Klang @ Jan 7 2021, 09:47 PM)
How come supermax perform better than topglove?

Topglove has announced high dividends.

Wondering what good news Supemax has.
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OBM model?
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post Jan 7 2021, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Jan 7 2021, 10:03 PM)
High dividend is good but I dislike dividend for each quarter.

yeah I understand the motive behind but I still don't like the momentum disruption it will brings.

anyway, just be patience.
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Same lol, get charged each time receiving dividends (using a nominee acc)
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post Jan 8 2021, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jan 7 2021, 10:59 PM)
More volatility and more irrationality. This is across the board even in US. You see very irrational situation like bankrupt share purchases like hertz or even purchases into fundamentally flawed company like Nikola.

This new trend had confused the established fund managers for awhile, but i think they have managed to adapt now. Retail investor and their counters volatility as well as cult buying is the new normal now.
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I am actually very worried... Something doesnt feel right

Feel like leaving the market for a year or two until everything normalizes.
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post Jan 8 2021, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(MedElite23 @ Jan 8 2021, 12:35 AM)
Our interest rate is at all time low, 20 years low to be exact. I don’t see OPR being raised anytime soon la, not 1-2 years. till then hot money will still circulate in the stock market IMO.
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I completely agree with you, it just feels extremely risky now with speculative buying all around the places.
When too many retailers speculate and buy, what happens next when there's no more buyer?

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/penn...nny-stock-fever
An example of strong speculative fever going on
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post Jan 8 2021, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Jan 8 2021, 01:51 AM)
If you do, what are your alternate plans? There are alot of uncertain elsewhere too.
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Plan A: Just stay away until the bubble bursts
Plan B: Stay invested in value stocks, as rotation from growth (mainly speculative TECH) will come into values when it bursts.

Not sure if staying invested (and see the crash painfully in portfolio) or buy the dip later will be better

Downside for A: Not bursting soon, and missed the whole rally
Downside for B: Bursting soon, and end up bagholding until breakeven. I believe value will make a comeback even if it dips later because they are just too damn cheap compared to growth

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post Jan 8 2021, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jan 8 2021, 11:18 AM)
Since we give so much hate on glove. Nobody talk about genting malaysia ?

I'm seeing it from near 2.8x range to 2.4x range now, and I'm still holding it  sweat.gif
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MCO announcement will drag all recovery stocks down, all recovery stocks might become RSS target. Wait for announcement to kill the prices 1st.
No vested interest here. I myself dont feel like buying genting until we start having vaccination, cause genting's entertainment is not a must, it is an extra.
People not necessarily need to use its service.

QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jan 8 2021, 11:19 AM)
Everything doesnt feel right! At all. With all these JPOW + Yellen...you`ll be surprise, seeing your breakfast will hit spread different from today higher price.
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Waiting patiently for the correction like how I have waited for the property and still waiting.

QUOTE(Rinth @ Jan 8 2021, 11:36 AM)
Wondering evening seesion will pull back like ytd or not  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Hope this time you will be able to take profit when your portfolio is green
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post Jan 8 2021, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jan 8 2021, 11:48 AM)
need a 70% crash...be it stock, other assets then can feel the impact on property.

only 1/3 to the game.  laugh.gif

(drain the swamp- DT), destruct the cashflow...everywhere.

You`ll see some running naked already.
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Malaysia property already dropping without needing the stock market to crash
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post Jan 8 2021, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jan 8 2021, 01:25 PM)
Top glove PE before Covid was around 25-35

Harta was around 35-50
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https://www.msn.com/en-my/money/stockdetail...pglov/fi-alav7w
Topglov 5y PE low is 14.77

QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jan 8 2021, 01:32 PM)
need to rub more salt to the main steak icon_idea.gif
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post Jan 8 2021, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jan 8 2021, 02:59 PM)
that one was because of Aspion issue  puke.gif
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It fluctuated between 15-20 from 2013 to 2018 though
https://www.msn.com/en-my/money/stockdetail...pglov/fi-alav7w
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post Jan 8 2021, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jan 8 2021, 03:05 PM)
I think the trigger now is MCO not the vaccine, see the 180o sentiment shift from recovery
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post Jan 8 2021, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Jan 8 2021, 03:51 PM)
5 PM, MOH will announce whether we have MCO. Market plunge?
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Confirm dive, recovery stocks all confirm dive,

They question is whether is it ripe to short the index again

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post Jan 8 2021, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jan 8 2021, 04:19 PM)
Like that all recovery stock die liao
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Let them die 1st, dont average down. Wait reversal only re-entry recovery stocks

Also, the biggest bomb is yet to release. When Tesla crashes (definitely dragging the S&P index down), and if trigger panic selling due to sentiment shift in other counters, then will drop more.

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post Jan 8 2021, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jan 8 2021, 04:22 PM)
those RSS short glove now how? confused.gif

got sell bank or not?
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Maybe they will soon
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post Jan 8 2021, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jan 8 2021, 04:25 PM)
But the question is...will this be 1 or 2 days thing or will it continue?  hmm.gif
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IF the rumours around short sellers covering shorts is true, its short term show.

But the real fundamental trigger is MCO
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post Jan 8 2021, 04:32 PM

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Malaysia techs are so expensive already, the only cheaper options are industrial products, banks and gloves.

With MCO re-implementation, economy recovery will be delayed. Banks' fundamentals are indirectly affected (banks are always linked to economy). Although banks are still cheaper than gloves (Forward PE and PB wise), but sentiment shift now favors gloves. Fund flowing back from banks to gloves.

Recovery stocks will drop due to fundamentals deterioration (from MCO) and sentiment shift. Unless tonight potong stim. no MCO. But unlikely la, no hospital beds already.


Also when Tesla bursts, wont be a surprise if
1. The whole index crashes again
2. Index not affected, but some really really expensive malaysia techs funds shifting back to banks, gloves, and industrial products.

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post Jan 8 2021, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 8 2021, 04:36 PM)
if really no choice then MOH will suggest those with mild symptoms to just quarantine at home, like UK & USA liao and sendiri jaga sendiri. only foreign workers send to isolation centres. that's the most economical option at the moment.
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But the rumours floating around now is that MCO will be re-implemented, market is forward looking ma. Buy on rumours
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post Jan 8 2021, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(cykosis @ Jan 8 2021, 04:45 PM)
Rumour is that DG is proposing MCO in 6 state i.e. Penang, KL, Selangor, Melacca, Johor and Sabah
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If you guys still have recovery counters that are fairly valued, better cut now.

Sentimental play might be able to push it back to undervalued territory.
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post Jan 8 2021, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Jan 8 2021, 04:58 PM)
Anwar Ibrahim: I have brows.gif
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Rumours have it: MCO to maintain political power

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