If it was up to me , I would pay a bit more for the C9 or C8 instead .


Regardless , welcome to the OLED community in MY where most of us are prestigious PQ whores .
I am expecting more people to join us this year with the release of the more affordable 48.5" OLEDs .


A brief rundown on the specs of 2020 LG OLEDs :

* RX and ZX not available in MY .



This post has been edited by Convael: Feb 14 2020, 05:57 PM

According to who ?

Then you are wrong , or you are just THAT insensitive to PQ in general.

If we are only talking about OLED pros and cons , you could say all of them literally has the same PQ.
Then there wouldn't even be any needs for these annual TV shoutouts .


CX , C9 , C8 's Alpha 9 processors are more powerful than the Alpha 7 revision on the B series , which means they can afford to allocate more CPU power into post processing ( noise handling , gradient improving and so on ).
Most of the older content are still relying on post processing to look decent on 4k screens .

I recalled some times ago , someone was saying the Alpha 9 is roughly 30% faster than the Alpha 7 . Since theres no any major upgrades on the gen 2 specs , this should still hold some water in it .

Even if we are strictly talking about PQ , nope .

If it isn't obvious by now , B series have been getting downgrades year after year . LG isn't stupid , they knew people have been buying the cheaper B series over the pricier C series because they were too similar .

B9 peaks @ 500+-nits while the C8 can potentially go up to 700 - 800 nits . The difference is something perceivable by human eyes even without colorimeter .
Losing 200-300 cd/m2 of peak brightness will directly translate into a less wowing HDR performance .

Think about it , the Panasonic grading suite levels of GZ2000 is " only " about 100 nits brighter than the C9 but cost almost twice as much in UK now , that gives you an idea how much people are craving for brighter pictures on OLEDs.

Also the fact that the B series were often getting neglected when it comes to firmware updates .
For eg, the last time I checked ( which is several months ago ) the B8 has yet to receive the near black macro blocking patch as well . The C and E series have got them for about 10 months now .


In a nutshell , B9 is undoubtedly great value for your $$ and is equipped with HDMI 2.1 ports because it is the newer model , that's about it .
I supposed if you have all the tools and experience ready to calibrate the B9 , perhaps you still can make the screen to still look really natural and accurate but most people don't .

This post has been edited by Convael: Feb 20 2020, 04:18 PM

You almost always leave it on standy mode , where your OLED TVs will automatically do its pixel compensation cycles to reduce the risks of burn-ins for every accumulated watch time of 3-4 hours .

This post has been edited by Convael: Feb 25 2020, 05:53 AM

Highly depends but at least 15-30 mins to be safe .

Q7FN is NOT consistently brighter than OLEDs , despite of higher peak brightness .

This is because it is an edge-lit TV . When it wants to brighten objects on the screen it cannot do so without brightening the entire column of the screen at the same time.
When it brightens the whole screen , it will reduce the dynamic range because the black level is also raised simultaneously.


Why do you want to lower the settings ?

You are of course , free to use any settings you want .

But there is a standard to be uphold when it comes to HDR content .
When you turn down the numbers , you are basically destroying the purpose of HDR because the dynamic range is reduced if peak brightness is cut down .


The OLED TVs aren't very bright to begin with . That is on top of it losing color saturation when it tries to showcase bright and vibrant colors .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 2 2020, 05:02 PM

Like I said , you can do that . It is your choice and your TV .


But there is a standard we have to uphold in the picture industry , if not why do movie studios spent millions of dollars to hire colorist and Dolby Vision engineers to grade movies ?

Turning down the brightness will force the TV having to tonemapping more , the OLED TVs are already not very bright to begin with .
You are essentially losing details from the brighter end of the spectrum if you do that .



Another way is to put on some ambient light strap for TV to ease the strain of your eyes , commonly found and used these days .


Your eyes may find it difficult to adapt to the brightness at first because you are getting used to good old traditional TVs @ 100-200 nits .

A light bulb from the wall could easily emit 3000 + nits of brightness , burnt firewood from camp ? 1500 nits +
OLED TVs can barely reach 800-900 nits , considering that it is actually dimmer than LCD TV on full screen .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 2 2020, 07:23 PM

4000 nits .


That's why it is putting the burden on your TV to a process called tonemapping .

The dimmer your TV is , the more it will have to tonemap .
Effectively losing the wow factors from the HDR movies .

Same reason why the beginner's tier TV from Panasonic can't compete with your new TV.



Your eyes can't take brightness and you have to turn it down , that's fine . That is your choice .
But don't go around telling people to do it like it has no consequence. It has .

There are more elegant ways to help reducing the strain on your eyes , like putting on some bias lightings .

I am not telling you how you should watch your TV , I am just telling you there are side-effects from that . It was not a flawless solution.

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 2 2020, 07:41 PM

Well your previous TV has a limit of 200-300 , the C9 probably peaks @ 800-900 + .

That is a huge difference .


Like I said putting on some LED light strip , they are pretty cheap and have proven to have helped people easing the strain on their eyes .
I do that for the TVs of my elderly relatives and they like it very much on their OLEDs.

It is also one of the major feature (called ambilight) on Philips OLEDs , which is well received by reviewers and fans.


The reason you find it OLEDs too bright is because you are in a dark room and these OLED TV shut off its pixel for the black portion of the picture .
So any sort of colors on an OLED screen will give u an impression something is far more brighter and vibrant than it is .

800 nits on an LCD TV feels like nothing because the black are actually gray ( it is still emitting very faint light from those pixel ) .

These LED light strip will slightly brighten your environment so your eyes can adapt to the brightness better .
Adaptation is the key here .



This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 2 2020, 07:58 PM

Then I am fairly sure you are still in that adaptation period .

Give it a couple of months once you have gotten used to it , you will want more


That's how most of us brightness whore got started .

I still remember when I first got my Sony X930 it was mini light canon @_@ .

Few months later , it feels like my eye socket has gotten resilient and want more ...


The OLED TV will never get bright enough to harm your eyes , it is limited by ABL to only 140-150 nits if you are watching high APL like snow field .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 2 2020, 08:09 PM

Some electronic shops have them , or you can buy them online like from here . Just install them behind your TV .

*I am not affiliated with this merchant , just pointing out*


They are quite popular among the TV enthusiast in the west .

These bias lighting can provide a layer of comfort to eyes , making it easier for eyes to adapt to the surrounding .
At the same time also giving you an illusion of expanded picture , makes the TV look larger than it is especially if you have a large wall behind the TV .


Also one of the heavily marketed feature from Philips Flagship TV , called Ambilight .
Theirs are particularly impressive as the Ambilight can change colors depending on the TV content .

For example :

It does internal picture processing as well .


When you change the settings directly via menu ( like what you suggested a few pages ago ) , you are also losing color fidelity because you are also moving the white points around .


Dolby Vision IQ can compensate from these by adjusting tonemapping , increasing (or decrease ) color saturation to match the white point it is changing to .
It is going to be the main selling point for 2020 TV , every big brand is putting their bet on this with Samsung having their own version of DVIQ as well .


As for how much of a difference it will make , you be the judge .


Credit to Phil Hinton .

Obviously , you do not need this feature in a dark room anyway because movies and TV shows are graded in a pitch black room .



Of course , the infinite contrast will partially contribute to sharper image because true black makes everything else more impactful , vibrant and colorful .

In fact OLED is the perfect screen for any SDR material , due to its ability to render all of the colors flawlessly from SDR color space (rec 709) and you really can't get better than perfect black .

Some of these LCD TV have issues reproducing Red , Bright blue and Bright green including those Samsung QLED TV .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 7 2020, 10:31 PM

Which site that says pre-calibration setting on B9 is excellent ?
Ask them to provide the numbers .


Pre-cal settings don't matter to many TV reviewers because they are going to calibrate the TV anyway .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 14 2020, 04:55 PM

First of all , we need to understand the difference here .

TV makers often send cherry picked units to TV reviewers to review .
And these TVs tend to be semi - calibrated and far more accurate than usual .


This is the reason why flatpanelHD , HDTVtest from multiple region tend be slower on publishing reviews because they don't get their TV directly from the brand . They have to wait for stocks from 3rd party sources because it is far more representative than the special units gottens from the brands .


I am not saying avforums Editors are not accurate , they are .

But I have confirmed with Phil that specific model B9 they reviewed , was sent from LG UK.
Not from 3rd party .


I have already said enough of what I am allowed to and what I should about the B series .
No point for me to dwell in the same problem because people are getting sick of me repeating the same crap for the last 10 pages .

If you are upgrading to B9 from a C8 , it is unnecessary and a waste of budget . That is unless you are a calibrator and you set up your own TV , but the tools alone will cost more than what you would have saved from getting a C9 instead.

P/S : Off topic since this is an LG thread If you really want an OLED TV and super tight on budget , Panasonic OLEDs are on Lazada 's Chup-dulu for RM4999.

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 15 2020, 01:22 PM

I assume you are pretty tech - savvy as the UI isn't as user friendly as LG's webOS , I am not a big fan of Panasonic's home screen .

Beside that it is superior than LG's in terms of picture accuracy ,noise handling and picture processing .

Panasonic's OLEDs always give me an impression of watching a piece of fabric unfolding right in front of you thanks to its incredibly smooth gradient transition , probably on par with Sony's .
Great input latency as well but no HDMI 2.1 ports .

The FZ series are 2018's models though so it doesn't has Dolby Vision like the 2019's GZ series .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 18 2020, 07:36 AM

C9 has ambient light sensor , theoretically it can run Dolby Vision IQ as well .


However , what's different now is that the CX is running the newest Dolby Vision 4.0 ( not without its own issues ) while all previous LG TVs are using the older Dolby Vision 2.9 .

Therefore even if C9 or older TVS are updated to support DVIQ, it will not have the exact same effects as CX .


For typical hdr yes .

Dolby Vision doesn't has DTM because it is already running on dynamic metadata .


They have made mistakes before , so I wouldn't take whatever they say like a holy bible .

It is nice they've got a unit for review before many of us do . Especially under the circumstances where a lot of TV shipping have been delayed .


But they are such a big fan of Sony , they continue to ignore many flaws which came from Sony's TV .
They actually prefer Sony's Android UI more than webOS and tizen , that harmed their credibility by quite a bit.

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 26 2020, 10:11 AM

The difference is more crucial for movie / shows creator who plan to master their content on Dolby Vision as DV 4 supports Integrated CMU via some apps , so you don't have to purchase an external CMU from Dolby.


As for how big the difference is , I cannot tell you right now as I have not seen an LG CX irl atm.

Probably won't be for quite a while as well for the same reason why many TV shippings are delayed .

This post has been edited by Convael: Mar 26 2020, 10:39 AM

It is not wrong to use whatever settings you want .

But let there be known there are rules and standard to be adhered when it comes to picture quality , hence why we put accuracy so high on the priority list .



You are free to use whatever settings you want because that is your TV but know that you are using the wrong white points , which can cause some problems when watching specific movies .

For eg , movies like the Martian where some of the hues are tinting towards the warmer colors , you are going to lose some color textures there however small the difference is .

Again , you are not wrong but it is not optimal . Your TV , your own viewing comforts should be first priority .



Personally I think warm 1- 2 are still within the acceptable range . I just couldn't stand Vivid and Standard , the colors are way OFF . The skin tone of Caucasian almost look like a zombie

This post has been edited by Convael: Apr 12 2020, 09:19 PM

I have asked them , they are unsure as of this moment . Perhaps they are waiting for the sales of CX and GX first and waiting to release the 48" along with BX .


In fact , the 48 " CX was originally scheduled to be released a couple of months after the launch of 55" , 65" and 77" CX .
They are not available in both US and UK atm as well .

This post has been edited by Convael: Apr 29 2020, 08:34 PM