Insurance Talk V3, Anything and everything about insurance
Insurance Talk V3, Anything and everything about insurance
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Dec 29 2015, 05:04 PM
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Dec 30 2015, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(loui @ Dec 30 2015, 11:03 AM) Bro roystevenung, I am a 31 years old non smoker male Check the fine print on uforlife.was asking agent to quote me stand alone life insurance for 100K & 200K they quote me from RM130 & RM260 but "u for life" online quoting as below [attachmentid=5654345] how come so much different From what I can see from the online site the insurance payment is until 75 years old. Insurer would be Tokyo Marine. 100k would be doable for RM183 or RM15.92 |
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Dec 30 2015, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(loui @ Dec 30 2015, 12:48 PM) what do you mean by "doable for RM183 or RM15.92" Ic, if you just want it as a funeral expense then just get this policy will do. However if you're lying in hospital due to critical illness and can't die yet. You will not be eligible to get any claim unless you add on a critical illness rider.agent told me they have various types investment link, par plan, non par plan, endowment plan, term plan & single premium plan am looking for the cheapest one just to cover my funeral expenses if anything happen no dependent, the only debts i have is house loan which i already bought MRTA I can't say AIA can offer you the cheapest and even as uforlife website had mentioned that rates that you see now in their proposal might be changed in the future. Of course by notifying in advance. This applies to all insurance company unless you can get a black and white staring the rates proposed will be fixed throughout the lifetime. Just get what you need instead of fighting for the cheapest rate only. |
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Jan 4 2016, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(Tutter @ Jan 4 2016, 02:23 PM) Hey y'all, 1) How do you budget what the sum assured or payouts will be what you need? Would you look at costs of treatment (surgery, medication, consultations..etc) for the 36CIs + costs of staying in hospital bed per day ...etc.? (someone mentioned in v2 that factoring in 4% for inflation every 10 years is probably a good idea as well..)Been lurking here for a while. Thought I'll just pop in to say 'hi' and maybe put out some burning questions I've had for quite a while. I am interested in medical, CI, personal accident insurance actually. Bought one before from college friend (ex-agent) more than 10 years ago but fren abscond so been feeling eeky about insurance ever since. But I am turning 39 soon, and before rates go up for me (heard that from the grapevine), I am getting interested again. I do have a few questions if you guys don't mind: 1) How do you budget what the sum assured or payouts will be what you need? Would you look at costs of treatment (surgery, medication, consultations..etc) for the 36CIs + costs of staying in hospital bed per day ...etc.? (someone mentioned in v2 that factoring in 4% for inflation every 10 years is probably a good idea as well..) 2) How do you budget how much you would need in the event of early or advanced diagnosis of 36CI? Is this the one that is the norm to put a zero behind your annual salary? 3) Okay, a bit of a detour here. Someone did mention to me that GH actually has all the infrastructure in place to treat patients who are dignosed with any of the 36CI. That was his argument for not getting insurance. I assume most of the coverage for medical/health/36CI insurance is budgeted for private hospitals? So private hospitals are better than GH? really..? 4) If insurance is viewed as a form of hedge against potential risks, returns shouldn't be a consideration right? And yet I see many talking about cash value, cashbacks, discounts ..etc. being a factor in deciding the most suitable insurer or policy. What is more important here, the potential returns or the protection? 5) If you are getting a new policy, would you consider the guarantee that premium rates will never go up as a priority? Actually I got plenty more, but I dun wanna hog the thread too much. Anyways, when I bought before I was never shown a sales illustration or product disclosure sheet. Never given any brochures either. Since I've had the experience of having a "close" friend who would quit her agency, I am prepared to deal direct with insurance companies if need be. Would help to have a reliable agent as well. Any takers for my questions? ETA: that 4% inflation thingy for my Question 1 - Sum assured should always factor in all the inflation in terms of cost of living increased in the next 10, 20 or 30 years. It should also factor in all the commitment that you have right now that you need to pay off in the event you are no longer able to work due to critical illness or worse, death. Which your immediate family will have to take on your burden. 2) How do you budget how much you would need in the event of early or advanced diagnosis of 36CI? Is this the one that is the norm to put a zero behind your annual salary? - Putting another zero on top of your annual salary is a rule of thumb. Of course there is no right and wrong going 5 years or 10 years. It really depends on how long would you want your money to last upon death, disability or a critical illness. Ideally we would want atleast 10 years of income to make sure we don't have to worry about money for a period of time. 3) Okay, a bit of a detour here. Someone did mention to me that GH actually has all the infrastructure in place to treat patients who are dignosed with any of the 36CI. That was his argument for not getting insurance. I assume most of the coverage for medical/health/36CI insurance is budgeted for private hospitals? So private hospitals are better than GH? really..? - GH has all the facility available. Whatever the Private Hospital can't provide, they will refer to GH, vice versa if GH hospital is full, they will refer to private hospital if you can afford. Else have to wait for your turn. 4) If insurance is viewed as a form of hedge against potential risks, returns shouldn't be a consideration right? And yet I see many talking about cash value, cashbacks, discounts ..etc. being a factor in deciding the most suitable insurer or policy. What is more important here, the potential returns or the protection? - protection is the key point because the cash value is not guaranteed (Investment linked plan) unless you opt for traditional policy. You have to understand that insurance function is to restore one's financial back to its original should they fall into any risk (death, tpd, CI). It's not a mean to make "money" out of it like a saving plan. 5) If you are getting a new policy, would you consider the guarantee that premium rates will never go up as a priority? - You need to get it right, premium (the amount you pay) is fixed if it's an investment linked product (meaning if you opt to pay RM200 each month until 100 yr old, it's RM200 all the way) , however it's the COST OF INSURANCE (COI) is the one that will keep increasing. Which is why the fixed amount of premium that you pay to the insurance company is used to purchase units in an investment fund to generate return. With this return, it's used to offset the cost of insurance overtime. Which comes back to your question 4 which the cash value is actually used to pay off the cost of insurance. Taking out the money from the cash value might result in your policy not having enough funds to reinvest and generate enough return and you might need to top up in the future. Again, no investment is guaranteed. I hope that answered your question. This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jan 4 2016, 04:21 PM |
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Jan 4 2016, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(Tutter @ Jan 4 2016, 04:31 PM) ^^^ You guys are superstars. Thanks for the replies. You may opt for traditional policy, the policy will not lapse with fixed premium, but your premium paid will be 2x - 4x more.I might have confused a couple of things. If I am solely interested in medical/health/36CI/TPD/personal accident only with NO ILP or investments attached, that means my premiums (the amount I am paying every month/year) should not increase at all? Assuming I am getting a new policy now that will cover me until I am 90. I guess I will be paying the same amount every month/year until I am 90? Is this standard practice across the board for all insurers or do they differ by policy? Of course. If cost in the main factor, then you have no choice but to opt for ILP plan which are lower in premium as compared to traditional plans. |
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Jan 4 2016, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(GeekieLoner @ Jan 4 2016, 05:59 PM) Hi All, There is some criteria you need to assess in terms of your current living lifestyle, single or married, commitments and many more. Then what sort of basic coverage you have currently. Then work from that way upwards. Need some advise. Recently quoted with an Investment Linked Plan with all these products. Is it necessary for me to purchase all riders? Don't really understand what's all the riders for. I do have an AIA medical card from my company. AIA A-Lifelink Riders -Disability Care -CriticalCre -WaiverExtra -Med -MedBooster -Total AccidentShield -RCC -HospitalIncome Extra E.g cover basic necessity (medical card) cover commitments (debts/liabilities) cover cost of living This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jan 4 2016, 06:23 PM |
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Jan 5 2016, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(uglyduckling422 @ Jan 5 2016, 02:14 PM) Can, you can buy PA even if you have CI currently.You can also get cancer coverage with AIA should you have any CI non related to cancer. PA is important aside from normal life insurance as it covers the person for accidental death. This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jan 5 2016, 05:28 PM |
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Jan 6 2016, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 6 2016, 09:04 AM) What will be the best way to buy/top up insurance policy? Lets say I bought a policy at age 20. Depends on your lifestyle at each of these phase and whether have your life improve since age 20? change of jobs, marital status, family, commitments etcAt 30, obviously my insurance is "out dated" as medical and everything is up and up. Should I buy new insurance or top up? At 40, obviously my insurance is "out dated" as medical and everything is up and up. Should I buy new insurance or top up? At 50, obviously my insurance is "out dated" as medical and everything is up and up. Should I buy new insurance or top up? Based on all the above, the agent will recommend the suitable plan. |
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Jan 6 2016, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(Tutter @ Jan 6 2016, 08:29 PM) I think you'll be quite surprised to find how many people that are exactly in that situation. Naturally, the main reason they won't be getting insurance is because it is an absolute torture to explain to agents how their state has come to be. Agents are so quick to assume everyone has a family. I also see those who grew up without one, will not feel the desire to start their own because they are very contented and fulfilled to live their lives either by themselves or among close friends. Think about it, if you're constantly by yourself as a kid, why would you suddenly feel the need to be surrounded by "loved ones" in old age? Though they may be alone, they are not lonely at all. You would be wrong to assume that if you have no dependent and just assume that since I have no obligation to anyone I need no insurance.I am only putting out my 5 cents because I saw you saying that a couple of times now. I've spoken to those who are totally happy without any kind of a family at all and they can almost all agree that meeting insurance agents is an agony, simply because they can't quite find a way to explain their life choices. Insurance doesn't just cover death but disability, critics illness and personal accidents. Even if you are born alone in this world. Don't you think if you can't die and still need the pocket money to continue living if you don't happen to die ? That's a very shallow view. |
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Jan 8 2016, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(crusher @ Jan 7 2016, 12:10 PM) Possible to get life insurance directly from insurance company without agent? I am working in general insurance company, but life insurance product is better in some protection. Not possible, insurance companies had been using agents all these while as the medium between the company & the clients.Although some insurance company are trying some other ways to cut off the agents. |
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Jan 8 2016, 12:37 PM
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Jan 8 2016, 07:54 PM
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Jan 9 2016, 01:23 PM
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Jan 9 2016, 01:33 PM
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Jan 10 2016, 06:36 AM
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Jan 11 2016, 10:55 PM
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Jan 12 2016, 01:18 PM
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Jan 13 2016, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(-Nos- @ Jan 13 2016, 05:13 PM) what is the most suitable medical card to have for a 26 yr old single guy? Would be ideal to meet up to understand ur main objective and plan from there.- non- smoker - non- drinker looking at premium about 150-200 a month. Ideally you would want to have basic medical card with some life coverage. |
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Jan 14 2016, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(ChainYam @ Jan 14 2016, 03:21 PM) Looking for insurance advice. Depends on your needs, you will need to sit down with a life planner to talk about it24 years old, married, both with office jobs. Combined income of RM70k/year. Prefer non-investment linked insurance policies. No kids, no smokers, no drinkers, no known conditions. What should of premium should I be targeting and how much would the overall insured sum be? Thank you. |
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Jan 14 2016, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jan 14 2016, 03:51 PM) Need advice from sifu here. AAMy siblings have just completed paying off a shop loan. Like to see whether there are windows for us to save some insurance money. AA How is the insured amount arrived at for shop insurance? x% of the current market shop price? BB Are there different insurance policies, say, for fire only, for flood only, physical damage etc? CC Is the fee payable the same from all insurance companies for the same shop insurance coverage? That is standardised/controlled by the govt? If so, then no need for me asking around. Thanks. based on market value BB There is fire, you can add on flood, physical dmg etc. CC Almost standard, unless the insurance company see that you're purchasing a high sum, they can drop abit of price to compete. They have a rate book for each risk. |
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