Starting this thread as a discussion platform. There used to be a PLU Club thread in /K/, but I guess most of the members have left LYN (or maybe just lurking around, posting as dupes idunnolol).

Rules and Regulations:
- Let's be civilized.
- Any posts that contains profanities will be deleted.
- Let's not resort to any negative name-calling.
- It's great that you are zealous in preaching your religious belief, but please keep it to yourself

I'll add more as and when

Purpose of this thread:
- Experience sharing
- Advice
- Knowledge-sharing
- Venting out

This post has been edited by sassyset: Dec 28 2015, 12:01 PM

So, WTF is LGBTIQPA?
Well, according to Wikipedia:

L - Lesbian. Women who like women.
G - Gay. Men who like men.
B - Bisexual. Men and women who swings both ways.
T - Transgender. People who identify themselves as the opposite gender. Like moi
I - Intersex. People who are born with both male and female characteristics. Or the lack of it. More on that later.
Q - Queer. People who does not conform to the idea of sexuality and gender identity
P - Pansexual. People who have sex with pans People who are attracted to people, rather than a specific gender.
A - Asexual. People who does not have any sexual attraction to anyone.

Something interesting to note: L, G, B, P, and A refers to sexuality, while T, and I refers to identity. Q just don't want to be grouped in any

Which also means that those who are in the category of T and I could be straight, lesbian/gay, bisexual, pansexual or asexual

Ok, dafuq is "sexuality"?
"Sexuality" is "who you are attracted to".

How about "gender identity"?
"Gender identity" is the gender that you identify yourself with. Nothing to do with your sausage or siham

Ok, does that mean I can simply identify myself as a girl despite having a sausage, or a guy despite having a siham?
Nope, it doesn't work that way . Gender is a fundamental element of a person's identity that affects emotions, identity, social interactions, sexual relations and self image. You can't claim to be a guy or a girl when you can't even relate to being one

This post has been edited by sassyset: Jan 4 2016, 05:57 PM

How do people turn gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual?
Good question. Most are who they are because that's how they are. Just like how some people are born left-handed. Sure, you may argue that right or left-handedness (is there such word?) could be acquired, but that would take years of practice. Similarly, if you're straight, it takes a massive effort to make you bengkok (gay/lesbian lah). If you're totally masculine, it'll take a massive effort to turn you into a fabulous female (especially if you dun wan to take hormone lor).

Having said that, I do observe that serious trauma could be a factor as to why a person would be gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual (do note i mention "serious", and it "could be a factor"). Though i do feel that they are likely to be bisexual or pansexual deep down (closet case).

Then how do you explain those ex-gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual?
Another good question. People do change. It could be that they were never gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual to begin with. It could also be that they were with the wrong crowd, etc. Else how would you explain the ex-straight?

Does gay conversion therapy work?
Feedback I've seen so far indicated that such therapy doesn't work, and even some of the practitioners renounced the practice. Here's an article on gay conversion for your perusal: http://www.nclrights.org/bornperfect-the-f...ersion-therapy/.

I need help about my sexuality/gender identity... Who could I talk to?
Some number to call for supports, especially to those that suffer tremendous stress because of their identity/sexuality issues

Befrienders.org
KL / Selangor
03-79568144 or 03-79568145

Malacca
06-2842500

Penang
04-2815161 / 04-2811108

Ipoh
05-5477933 / 05-5477599

Seremban
06-7653588 / 06-7653589

Lifeline Association of Malaysia
Counselling tel: 03-92850039 / 03-92850049 / 03-92850279

AGAPE Counselling Centre Malaysia
Counselling Hotline: 03-77855955 / 03-77855689 / 03-77810800

Directory of Counselling Service
MMHA Directory

This post has been edited by sassyset: Jan 6 2016, 11:55 AM

Hi, I'm gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/queer/pansexual/asexual. Should I stay closeted, or should I come out?
Well, that is up to you. But be warned; it'll not be an easy journey.

Let me share my story first. I realized that I'm not comfortable being a guy when I was 14. That realization came with the awareness that if I were to start transitioning there and then, I might as well say goodbye to whatever ambition I have. So, I made it a point to do well in my studies. And this goes on until I graduated from university (yep, a degree holder, but not as keng as Ahmad Maslan ).

When I joined the workforce, one of my ex-bosses gave me this advice; your life as a transwoman will be hard, you need to build up your portfolio before you transition. I took his advice to heart (though at the same time he asked if he could be my first one after surgery... that jerk...), and started my transition only at the end of 2009. At that time I was working at a callcenter; the boss was accepting, the colleagues was accepting, awsm.

The moment I went public about transitioning, I lost a number of friends, but gained a number in return. My relationship with my mom improved (yup! she's happier with a daughter! yippeee~!), but my dad grew distant. Relationship-wise... well, I'm not that attractive, so...

So yeah, if you have a lot to lose, and you're not ready to lose them, don't. It's not compulsory for you to come out of the closet anyway. But if you feel that staying in the closet is more burdensome than coming out, by all means go ahead. If you're not sure, feel free to approach me via PM or face-to-face.

By the way, if you're a transsexual, susah sikit la you nak stay in the closet

This post has been edited by sassyset: Jan 5 2016, 06:51 PM

woow.....nicely done

Free bumps

I want to share some knowledge as well.

OP
-Original Poster / Post
-used to refer to the topic starter or the content of the 'original post' itself


Faggot
-a bunch of sticks, tied and bundled together

Will update soon for more popular web culture lingos.

Gender queer pansexual agnostic atheist presenting mostly as female. Biologically female. Attached to cisgender male. Interests include dota, gaming, reading. Nice to meet you.

cuba huraikan perkara mana dalam constitution. klu x suka, ko masuk watpe? yg ko pentingkan sgt constitution cuba konsisten skit. 'mutakhir' ni kn ade keputusan kes di mahkamah rayuan berkaitan ibu dan anaknya......? so?

This post has been edited by wonglokat: Jan 1 2016, 02:55 PM

Sodomy is a crime in malaysia, else anwar would not have been convicted.

some girl also like anal sex liao. how?

Then you better hope the girl is not a female version of saiful..haha

no seriously. am talking about a girl who was born a girl. not the post-op transsexual version

i guess your interaction with girls are limited to those who are actually transsexuals

Nice thread you got here @sassyset ! Hope it grows without too much ignorance popping up every now and then! And yes, I have met girls, who were born girls, who like just what you said! Cheers!

mekacih~

Parking dulu with murtabak, for interesting info to learn here.

why girls turn lesbian?

because they are attracted to other girls

by the way, you might want to read the following:

1) https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sax-se...ian-or-bisexual

2) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...deos-sexes.html

the next question would be whether this is a biological trait, or neurological

Hi, was wondering, what is the difference between Bisexual and Pansexual?
cause it seems the same to me. Any specific difference?

the difference is that pansexuals are more into personalities (the way you talk, your intelligence, etc). bisexuals still go for looks (physical attributes like figure, complexion, the smile, etc)

Urm, is that what everyone desire? both physical and mental...
Why do they separate it?
A lot of bisexual men do like both looks and personalities. Doubt Bisexual men are just into beautiful looks only

Pansexuals take looks as bonus.
Bisexuals take personality as bonus.

Lurking around in /k and found this.

Just to ask, when u have that strange feeling of attracting to who you are not suppose to, do u in denial at first? Do u fight your feeling? Or just follow your heart?

when you say "not supposed to", it's according to who?

i'm not sure if i am the best person to answer that question, because some people are attracted to another purely because of lust, some are genuine attraction. the best i answer i could come up is probably this: imagine kissing that person; do you feel like throwing up, or does it turn you on even more

apart from that, ask yourself if this person worth spending the rest of your life with

alah, kurang kasih sayang tu

nice analogy

I'm mostly okay imagining girl kissing girl, but get goosebumps when imagining guy kissing guy.

No that i never kissed another guy tho

I meant I kissed a guy before.
That's a typo

ah ok. drunken challenge kah? teeheehee

Challenge, yea.
Not drunken tho.

Just that way back then, being close to a gay friend seem abnormal. Trying to proof to my friend it's okay to be friend with a gay.

wahlao so extreme

Agree with sassy! Extreme but good on you for doing it, and your reasons for it as well!

here's the funny thing; the ones that are so scared that transwomen or gay will goda them are the ones that normally we don't have selera to even tease... how lah...

hahahaha.... true! but they also say that those who is extremely against it are actually compensating/covering up the fact that deep down they think about it!
Personally, I don't mind any!

kaaan.

i think everyone should try at least once! Never try, never know, unless there is absolutely no feeling/attraction!

please quote which part of the constitution

you, sir, need to study what is the difference between Penal Code and the Constitution

we're posting a thread, not friggin having an orgy.

Urm, isnt this the Penal Code?
Usually in the Constitution, everything starts with Article [Number]

by the way, oral and anal sex also happen between heterosexual couples. so why the bias towards LGBT?

when someone is filled with hate, they can't differentiate between left and right.

Yeah. No.

Maybe young.


Most people around me still cannot differentiate "acceptable", "condoning" and "I'll do it".

acceptable : ok go ahead
condoning: err... ok kot. you do lah
i'll do it: self-explanatory

korek me if i'm wrong

@sassyset you beat me to the Penal Code difference! hahahaha
ah well, there'll always be ignorance! Just have to live with it and move on I guess!

1: Denial, no. Attracted mah... Can't change the fact that you are attracted right?
2: Fight? Depends. It's like how you have a certain affinity to some food, and others you try to avoid. Gotta ask yourself about it.
3: Follow your heart? My heart tells me to smile subconciously whenever i see that person, whenever she talks, whenever she smiles. Am i attracted? Yeah. Will my heart push me to pursue this person? Most probably not. Reason being she's not the one that can help fulfill my life goals.

Still doesn't change the fact that you are relating to a person, an individual , whenever you establish a certain communication with them.

the benefit of having a few lawyers as your friend (one of them being siti kassim, known for her vocal advocation of Orang Asli rights)

best answer so far

Sir, let me cite you some constitution of Malaysia.

If you wanted to see these movement as a religion, according to Malaysia Constitution Article 11 Freedom of religion Clause (1) Clause (3) and Clause (4)
Or simply a civil movement

Again, referring to Malaysia Constitution Article 10 Freedom of speech, assembly and association
Unless you found us conspiring to bomb the nation among these talk, I do not find any of our exchange of opinion is a threat to the security of Malaysia.

That's our definition.

But for most, they will immediately conclude you are a LGBT when you state that LGBT is acceptable.

oh lol

Hahahaha, too true that! And you'd be surprised at how many people who seem so liberal and relaxed are actually quite scarily LGBT-phobic! Have met some people like that and it always makes me laugh coz they don't know I am on the B side hahahaha! Think that if I ever did become open about it, would probably lose a few friends!

well, i lost a number of them when i transitioned. and still treated as a freak when i told them i prefer transwomen and women over men. apparently in malaysia, if you're female (regardless whether trans or cis), you're supposed to like men only.

wow, my kind of girl..
always love watching two beautiful women kiss

kyaaa~ ecchi~

Still gain some mar. Albeit newer a bit la.

Malaysia, and to a certain extent, the rest of the world is very binary! Everything must fit neatly into its pigeonhole but there's more to life than that and people are slowly realising this.
Good on you @sassyset! I too prefer transwomen and women but there are some guys out there.... mmmmmm! hehehe

ya lor
mekacih

updated a bit more. if you have suggestion or question, you could PM me, or comment here

Good thread... Actually I feel that lgbt people are more honest than most of the straight ones...

Mekacih
Weols honest because hiding is bad

Of course they are
why do u think a lot of straight girls like gay guys...?!!? lol

I identify as bi-curious asexual. kthxbai

Still thinking what else to add...

Dealing with homophobia/transphobia
Transitioning at work
What to do when you got forced out of the closet

Ok tak?

Some number to call for supports, especially to those that suffer tremendous stress because of their identity issues

Befrienders.org
KL / Selangor
03-79568144 or 03-79568145

Malacca
06-2842500

Penang
04-2815161 / 04-2811108

Ipoh
05-5477933 / 05-5477599

Seremban
06-7653588 / 06-7653589

Lifeline Association of Malaysia
Counselling tel: 03-92850039 / 03-92850049 / 03-92850279

AGAPE Counselling Centre Malaysia
Counselling Hotline: 03-77855955 / 03-77855689 / 03-77810800

Directory of Counselling Service
MMHA Directory

*raise hand*
I have a question regarding pan-sexual. I̶s̶ ̶T̶e̶f̶a̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶C̶h̶e̶f̶l̶i̶n̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶?̶ So when you say you're attracted to the person instead of their gender, how is it any different from a bi? Does that mean they are attracted in a non sexual way or the I-wanna-bang-u-allday-erryday?

I'm a sexual atheist. I don't believe I'll get laid anytime in this lifetime.

This post has been edited by nekkidgramma: Jan 6 2016, 10:55 AM

My guess, Bi is more about sexual identity while pan is more about gender identity

i.e bi will talk about desire more while pan talk about personality more

thanks JunJun04035,

that's close enough. for me personally, a bi is attracted to something tangible (physical side of the person), whereas a pan like tefal or chefline would be more attracted to the non-tangible side of the person.

awsm stuffs. gonna put these on the front page

1) I'm sure you like blowjobs and anals.

2) we should have a murtad thread. good suggestion

I don't get it.. Why do people just like to provoke each other...
We already proved that he couldn't differentiate between Law and the constitution..
You just had to piss him off by provoking don't you...

ehehehehehehe

This post has been edited by sassyset: Jan 6 2016, 07:44 PM

You're exceptionally inappropriate. Standing on the moral high ground is taboo, but people like you re-validates the existence of the pedestal in first place.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jan 7 2016, 03:40 AM

Guys, cut everybody else some slack.

One, that decided to act like a rabid dog, doesn't mean that the other should do the same. Shook it off, and stay to the topic.

IF IT'S A JOKE, threat it like a joke.

Sorry, I just thought that there should be people who will take care of the rabid dogs before they start biting everyone.

Doesn't mean you should bite the rabid dog. Nanti infected

Nah, I use a metaphorical stick (in the guise of verbal comebacks) to hit it.

That is, metaphorically speaking, biting the rabid dog.
You hit, the dog reacts, and things escalate.
Then thread got nuked. Well played.

Oh well, someone has to take the fall while trying to shoo the rabid dog away.

It might as well be me (who gets bitten), as long someone does the right thing.

But to avoid the thread getting nuked, I'll refrain myself.

On a side note, I can't believe the rabid dogs are loved by those in the control room with nukes. Oh well. I apologize for the verbal violence (although I thought I made it so that the rabid dog would have a soft landing).

Sorry.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jan 7 2016, 06:57 AM

No worries. Your intention was good

Promotion time! Read my signature.

(I know this is off-topic, won't happen again)

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jan 7 2016, 07:02 AM

Wait aaaa later I read at opis. Cannot see siggies from android phone lol

Not sure are you a Chinese, or interested in Chinese philosophical ideas, there is a 2500 year old teaching:
By Doing nothing, you are doing everything (无为而无不为)

Most of the time, this idea work great on most situation.

A rabid dog running around, biting randomly. If you react to it's rabidness, then the dog get entertained, and continuing running around biting.
HOWEVER, if you decided to do nothing, the dog will eventually looses his interest at us, and wander away.

Just a penny for your though

Tips for you as a LGBTIQPA to enjoy with the community

1. Tell stories—yours and other people's. Believe it or not, telling your story is one of the most powerful ways you can change hearts and minds. If you're LGBT yourself, talk about the journey you've been on: Did you have trouble accepting yourself? Have you ever been a victim of misunderstandings by other Christians? Don't be afraid to share the positives and the negatives of your journey. The more you open up, the better they'll come to understand.

If you're a straight ally, share why you got interested in this subject, and why it matters so much to you. Straight allies' stories are incredibly powerful forces in building bridges, so even if you don't think your story is important, it is! You can also introduce the stories of LGBT folks you know, or share books or films in which LGBT people tell their stories.

2. Don't be afraid of the Bible. (OR any holly scriptures) Does the other person seem to know the Bible better than you do? That's okay. You don't have to be a Bible scholar to have a favorite story or passage that speaks to why you Believe Out Loud. Maybe it's a story about how Jesus treated the outcasts of his day. Or a passage about the importance of love. One of my personal favorites is Romans 13:8-10.

3. Don't get sucked into a Bible debate. (OR any theological debate) For many conservative Christians, the Bible is at the heart of this issue, and it's important to acknowledge that. But Bible debates rarely change minds. Don't try to win points by arguing about Bible interpretation and translation; you'll only cause the other person to dig their heels in more. Instead, let them explain why they believe what they do, and then share about how your journey brought you to the conclusions you now have. Focus on the human side of the issue; stories are almost always more effective than arguments at encouraging productive dialogue—and chances are, the real reason you're passionate about this issue has to do with someone's story.

4. Respect their theological background. It can be tempting, if you disagree with their basic theological assumptions, to try to challenge them on all of it—arguing, for instance, about whether the Bible can be read literally or whether such-and-such passage was actually written by Paul (or for that matter, whether anything Paul says should be binding on today's Christians). But this strategy tends to backfire; if they think you're asking them to give up their understanding of the Bible, they'll only dig in their heels further.

Instead, look for ways to convince them to rethink the LGBT conversation from within their own faith background, whatever that may be. Even the most conservative Bible literalist can work on ways to be more LGBT-friendly, and this is the approach I take in conversations on my blog and elsewhere.

5. Take baby steps. As much as you might like for the other person to instantly come around to your way of thinking, that rarely if ever happens. At times, you have to "agree to disagree" on some points in order to make progress on others. Okay, maybe this person doesn't agree with your position on marriage equality, but if you can agree to disagree on that point and still convince them not to disown their gay child, that's worth celebrating. Don't expect "all or nothing." Focus on what's most important in a given situation.

Above all, don't give up. These conversations aren't always easy, but they're important. And if all else fails, give them a copy of GCN's film Through My Eyes or my new book TORN and invite their feedback. These are tools designed especially for opening doors for conversation with conservative Christians, and you just might be surprised what a simple, gracious conversation can accomplish.

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Yup. Actually worked for me against those who ejek/insult me.

Another awsm sharing. Thanks

Tips for you to be an Ally to your LGBTIQPA friends

Seeing Gay and Lesbian People as People
1. Respect their humanity. This is the most important part of understanding gay and lesbian people. They are as complex and unique as anyone else, and they have dreams, goals, and passions that are much more central to their identities than the gender they are attracted to. If you feel you understand straight people, then you are well on your way to understanding gay and lesbian people as well.

2. Dismiss stereotypes. Some gay and lesbian people fit into all the popular stereotypes, some fit into none of them, and most fit into some, but not all. Some straight people “seem gay,” and some gay people “seem straight.” There is no sure-fire way to tell someone’s sexual orientation by looking at her, listening to the way she speaks, or watching her mannerisms. The more you learn to let go of stereotypes, the easier it will be to begin seeing LGBT+ people as people.

3 Rein in your ego. Just as you are not attracted to every single member of the opposite sex, gay people are not attracted to every single member of their own sex. You might not be their type. Do not assume a gay person is attracted to you just because she shares your gender. She probably isn't.

4. Interact with LGBTIQPA people. Studies have shown that people with homophobic beliefs report having less personal interaction with gay and lesbian people.[1] Having LGBT+ people in your life will make it much easier to see them as regular people like you, and not as mysterious aberrations. If this is impossible, you might try reading books or watching television shows and movies with gay characters, or watching documentaries about LGBT+ issues.

Realizing It’s Not a Choice
1. Investigate what the scientific community has to say. While some individuals may insist that sexual orientation can be changed, virtually all major mental health organizations have released statements asserting that this is not the case, and cautioning against treatments that purport to “convert” LGBT people. Some states have even banned gay “conversion therapy” in response to scientific evidence suggesting such therapy may actually be damaging or abusive.

2. Research objective information about the “ex-gay” movement. Even among the ex-gay community, few believe complete conversion is possible. Many ex-gay organizations have shut down in recent years, and admitted that they could not “cure” gay people of their homosexuality. There is no meaningful scientific evidence that people who are not attracted to the opposite sex can be converted to heterosexuality. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that attempts to change a person’s sexual orientation can have a profoundly damaging impact.

3. Think about why someone would choose to be gay. While life has improved greatly for LGBT+ Americans over the last couple decades, many gay and lesbian people suffer greatly because of their sexual orientation. About 40% of homeless youth are LGBT+-identified, and 68% of those reported family rejection as a major factor. LGBT youth are 4 times more likely than heterosexual youth to attempt suicide. They also experience higher levels of bullying, substance abuse, and sexual assault. There are many countries where homosexuality is illegal, or even punishable by death. Bearing all this in mind, ask yourself, “Why would these people chose to be LGBT?”

Changing How You Think About Homosexuality
1. Understand it’s not all about sex. You don’t ask your straight friends about their kinks and fetishes, because it’s none of your business and shouldn't affect the way you think of or treat them. Whether or not you “get” what a person does in the bedroom with other consenting adults shouldn't influence whether you feel you understand her as a human being. Sex is a very small part of what being LGBT+ means to most LGBT+ people, and you shouldn't fixate on it.

2. Acknowledge the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia. It is an all-too-common misconception that homosexual people are a danger to children. Fortunately, this belief is waning; in 1970, a national poll found that 70% of Americans saw homosexual people as dangerous to youth, while in 1999 only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women held such beliefs. Gay and lesbian people are people who are attracted to and/or form sexual and/or romantic relationships with adults of their same gender; many child molesters, on the other hand, are not oriented toward a particular gender so much as a particular age. In a 1978 study of 175 men convicted of child molestation, none of them identified as homosexual. A similar study in 1992 found that only 2 perpetrators of child sexual abuse out of the 269 surveyed were homosexuality. Many studies along these lines have been conducted, and all have failed to find any correlation between homosexuality and child abuse.

3. Learn about different religious attitudes. Many people who harbour homophobic views do so on religious grounds. There are, however, a number of religions and religious sects that are accepting of LGBT+ people. These include the United Church of Christ, Unitarian Universalists, Quakers, and Reform and Conservative Judaism. For other groups, such as Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, and Episcopalians, it is still a matter of debate, with some followers in favor of acceptance, and others against it. Even within faiths such as Catholicism, Islam, and Orthodox Judaism, one can find individual believers who interpret their faith in various ways. Your faith is your business, and you are free to believe what you want. This should not, however, lead you to treat people with respect or cruelty. Leave judging to God.

4. Fake it till you make it. This process does not happen overnight, and even with the best of intentions you may still find yourself uncomfortable with or confused by homosexuality. This will change with time if you continue to work at it. In the meantime, however, the most important thing is to treat gay and lesbian people with respect and dignity. If you do this regularly, you will probably find your understanding of gay and lesbian people evolves naturally.

Interacting with Gay and Lesbian People
1. Give them their privacy. The decision to come out is a personal one. If you suspect someone you know is gay or lesbian, don't just ask them about it out of nowhere. If this is something they want to talk about with you, they will bring it up themselves.

2. React kindly if someone tells you they are gay. If someone comes out to you, don’t say, “Ew, really?” or “Uhhh, ok,” or even, “Yeah, I know.” Coming out can be scary and vulnerable. If someone who is just starting to come out chooses to share this part of himself with you, it is a huge gift of trust. Thank him for confiding in you, and remind him that you care about him. You might also ask, “How long have you known?” or “Has it been hard for you to keep this secret?” if he seems willing to discuss the subject. Don’t press if he seems uncomfortable, and don’t ask things like, “So, have you had sex with any men?”

3. Understand not all LGBT+ people want to answer your questions. While it is admirable that you want to learn more, identifying as gay or lesbian doesn't mean that a person wants to hold straight people’s hands through the process of learning to understand LGBT+ people. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean she is responsible for being your guide to homosexuality. Some gay and lesbian people won’t mind being a resource for you, but you should not assume this to be the case. If you know a gay person and think he might be open to answering some of your questions, politely ask him. If he says no, back off respectfully.

4. Support them if they are struggling. Life can be hard for LGBT+ people, as they may face discrimination, bullying (even from loved ones such as family members), self-hatred, and confusion. If they are having a hard time, offer them compassion and acceptance. They may really need it.

5. Use appropriate language. This should hopefully be obvious, but you should never use gay or other anti-LGBT+ slurs. It is important for straight allies to the LGBT community to use respectful language when referring to gay and lesbian people. It’s true that there are a lot of different words for referring to people in the LGBT+ community. If you are unsure whether a particular word is incorrect or offensive, or aren't sure what word is appropriate, look it up.

6. Be empathetic. Empathy is the ability for feel with someone, rather than for them; it is the ability to project yourself into the experience of another person.[25] If you are not sure how to respond or treat someone in a given situation, ask yourself, “How would I feel if I were in this person’s shoes?” Recognize that your heterosexuality gives you advantages in life that gay and lesbian people do not have, and that bigotry against LGBT+ people can inflict significant physiological and psychological damage. If you truly empathize with someone, you should not want to cause him this kind of pain.

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+1

Thankfully, i can empathize with most LGBTIQPA people. Compared to LGBTIQPA people, there are people that completely goes against the law of nature and science themselves. Almost too baffling to be true. And even if you share with people, they raise their eyebrows as high as the ceiling. So, yes. I can empathize with people wanting/avoiding to come out.

I am sure that the fact you need to do something to tell me to do nothing, is already doing something.

But of course, this thread is not a topic for philosophical debate, and I understand exactly what you meant.

What happened to me was honestly an emotional response to something simple: injustice. It's not fair for someone to be judge the LGBTIQPA community so ignorantly, and personally, that sort of inequality and injustice resonates very strongly in me. I am the Chow-Yun Fatt - Brother Mark - Mark Gor of equality (okay, maybe not that great, but a bit like that).

Of course, because we're all educated and civilized people, there was never a need for violence nor even verbal violence of any sort. Just understand that if anyone would ask someone to raise their hand to advocate equality, I will most likely be the first one to raise my hands. It is in my personal beliefs that the world is already unfair as it is, and there's already too few people left people in the world who will stand up for what it is right. And if I do not see anyone doing it while I am in the vicinity, you can be sure that I will most likely stand up to fight any forms of ignorance.

The quote 无为而无不为 was most likely Confucius's master once said to him, but remember, Confucius said the path that he takes is different from his master. Confucius went on to civilize China's morality as a result.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jan 8 2016, 12:23 AM

I understand where are we heading tho we cannot see eye to eye about how to deal with those rabid dogs.

Let it go lar. The rabid dog is not here now.