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post Dec 28 2015, 11:47 AM, updated 10y ago

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Starting this thread as a discussion platform. There used to be a PLU Club thread in /K/, but I guess most of the members have left LYN (or maybe just lurking around, posting as dupes idunnolol).

Rules and Regulations:
- Let's be civilized.
- Any posts that contains profanities will be deleted. cool2.gif
- Let's not resort to any negative name-calling. rolleyes.gif
- It's great that you are zealous in preaching your religious belief, but please keep it to yourself smile.gif

I'll add more as and when icon_idea.gif

Purpose of this thread:
- Experience sharing
- Advice
- Knowledge-sharing
- Venting out

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post Dec 28 2015, 11:47 AM

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So, WTF is LGBTIQPA?
Well, according to Wikipedia:

L - Lesbian. Women who like women.
G - Gay. Men who like men.
B - Bisexual. Men and women who swings both ways.
T - Transgender. People who identify themselves as the opposite gender. Like moi icon_rolleyes.gif
I - Intersex. People who are born with both male and female characteristics. Or the lack of it. More on that later.
Q - Queer. People who does not conform to the idea of sexuality and gender identity
P - Pansexual. People who have sex with pans People who are attracted to people, rather than a specific gender.
A - Asexual. People who does not have any sexual attraction to anyone.

Something interesting to note: L, G, B, P, and A refers to sexuality, while T, and I refers to identity. Q just don't want to be grouped in any whistling.gif sweat.gif

Which also means that those who are in the category of T and I could be straight, lesbian/gay, bisexual, pansexual or asexual brows.gif

Ok, dafuq is "sexuality"?
"Sexuality" is "who you are attracted to".

How about "gender identity"?
"Gender identity" is the gender that you identify yourself with. Nothing to do with your sausage or siham whistling.gif

Ok, does that mean I can simply identify myself as a girl despite having a sausage, or a guy despite having a siham?
Nope, it doesn't work that way sweat.gif. Gender is a fundamental element of a person's identity that affects emotions, identity, social interactions, sexual relations and self image. You can't claim to be a guy or a girl when you can't even relate to being one nod.gif

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post Dec 28 2015, 11:47 AM

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How do people turn gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual?
Good question. Most are who they are because that's how they are. Just like how some people are born left-handed. Sure, you may argue that right or left-handedness (is there such word?) could be acquired, but that would take years of practice. Similarly, if you're straight, it takes a massive effort to make you bengkok (gay/lesbian lah). If you're totally masculine, it'll take a massive effort to turn you into a fabulous female (especially if you dun wan to take hormone lor).

Having said that, I do observe that serious trauma could be a factor as to why a person would be gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual (do note i mention "serious", and it "could be a factor"). Though i do feel that they are likely to be bisexual or pansexual deep down (closet case).

Then how do you explain those ex-gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual?
Another good question. People do change. It could be that they were never gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/pansexual/asexual to begin with. It could also be that they were with the wrong crowd, etc. Else how would you explain the ex-straight? tongue.gif

Does gay conversion therapy work?
Feedback I've seen so far indicated that such therapy doesn't work, and even some of the practitioners renounced the practice. Here's an article on gay conversion for your perusal: http://www.nclrights.org/bornperfect-the-f...ersion-therapy/.

I need help about my sexuality/gender identity... Who could I talk to?
Some number to call for supports, especially to those that suffer tremendous stress because of their identity/sexuality issues

Befrienders.org
KL / Selangor
03-79568144 or 03-79568145

Malacca
06-2842500

Penang
04-2815161 / 04-2811108

Ipoh
05-5477933 / 05-5477599

Seremban
06-7653588 / 06-7653589

Lifeline Association of Malaysia
Counselling tel: 03-92850039 / 03-92850049 / 03-92850279

AGAPE Counselling Centre Malaysia
Counselling Hotline: 03-77855955 / 03-77855689 / 03-77810800

Directory of Counselling Service
MMHA Directory

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post Dec 28 2015, 11:48 AM

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Hi, I'm gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/queer/pansexual/asexual. Should I stay closeted, or should I come out?
Well, that is up to you. But be warned; it'll not be an easy journey.

Let me share my story first. I realized that I'm not comfortable being a guy when I was 14. That realization came with the awareness that if I were to start transitioning there and then, I might as well say goodbye to whatever ambition I have. So, I made it a point to do well in my studies. And this goes on until I graduated from university (yep, a degree holder, but not as keng as Ahmad Maslan laugh.gif).

When I joined the workforce, one of my ex-bosses gave me this advice; your life as a transwoman will be hard, you need to build up your portfolio before you transition. I took his advice to heart (though at the same time he asked if he could be my first one after surgery... that jerk...), and started my transition only at the end of 2009. At that time I was working at a callcenter; the boss was accepting, the colleagues was accepting, awsm.

The moment I went public about transitioning, I lost a number of friends, but gained a number in return. My relationship with my mom improved (yup! she's happier with a daughter! yippeee~!), but my dad grew distant. Relationship-wise... well, I'm not that attractive, so...

So yeah, if you have a lot to lose, and you're not ready to lose them, don't. It's not compulsory for you to come out of the closet anyway. But if you feel that staying in the closet is more burdensome than coming out, by all means go ahead. If you're not sure, feel free to approach me via PM or face-to-face.

By the way, if you're a transsexual, susah sikit la you nak stay in the closet sweat.gif

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post Jan 4 2016, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jan 1 2016, 07:38 PM)
Sodomy is a crime in malaysia, else anwar would not have been convicted.
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some girl also like anal sex liao. how?
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post Jan 4 2016, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jan 4 2016, 05:05 PM)
Then you better hope the girl is not a female version of saiful..haha
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no seriously. am talking about a girl who was born a girl. not the post-op transsexual version smile.gif

i guess your interaction with girls are limited to those who are actually transsexuals brows.gif
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QUOTE(mypagan_26 @ Jan 4 2016, 05:46 PM)
Nice thread you got here @sassyset ! Hope it grows without too much ignorance popping up every now and then! And yes, I have met girls, who were born girls, who like just what you said! Cheers!
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post Jan 4 2016, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(persona93 @ Jan 4 2016, 06:17 PM)
why girls turn lesbian?
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because they are attracted to other girls smile.gif

by the way, you might want to read the following:

1) https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sax-se...ian-or-bisexual

2) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...deos-sexes.html

the next question would be whether this is a biological trait, or neurological
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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Jan 4 2016, 07:01 PM)
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Hi, was wondering, what is the difference between Bisexual and Pansexual?
cause it seems the same to me. Any specific difference?
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the difference is that pansexuals are more into personalities (the way you talk, your intelligence, etc). bisexuals still go for looks (physical attributes like figure, complexion, the smile, etc)
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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Jan 4 2016, 07:41 PM)
Urm, is that what everyone desire? both physical and mental...
Why do they separate it?
A lot of bisexual men do like both looks and personalities. Doubt Bisexual men are just into beautiful looks only
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Pansexuals take looks as bonus.
Bisexuals take personality as bonus.
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post Jan 5 2016, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Jan 5 2016, 07:56 AM)
Lurking around in /k and found this.

Just to ask, when u have that strange feeling of attracting to who you are not suppose to, do u in denial at first? Do u fight your feeling? Or just follow your heart?
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when you say "not supposed to", it's according to who?

i'm not sure if i am the best person to answer that question, because some people are attracted to another purely because of lust, some are genuine attraction. the best i answer i could come up is probably this: imagine kissing that person; do you feel like throwing up, or does it turn you on even more tongue.gif

apart from that, ask yourself if this person worth spending the rest of your life with smile.gif

QUOTE(january9 @ Jan 5 2016, 08:23 AM)
on new year's day, u post this?

sad case lah u bero.

should stick to what u r good at, mogok depan US embassy or boikot mcd.
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alah, kurang kasih sayang tu tongue.gif
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post Jan 5 2016, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Jan 5 2016, 10:14 AM)
nice analogy

I'm mostly okay imagining girl kissing girl, but get goosebumps when imagining guy kissing guy.  laugh.gif

No that i never kissed another guy tho  laugh.gif
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post Jan 5 2016, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Jan 5 2016, 11:32 AM)
I meant I kissed a guy before.
That's a typo
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ah ok. drunken challenge kah? teeheehee
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Jan 5 2016, 12:34 PM)
Challenge, yea.
Not drunken tho.

Just that way back then, being close to a gay friend seem abnormal. Trying to proof to my friend it's okay to be friend with a gay. cheers.gif
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QUOTE(mypagan_26 @ Jan 5 2016, 01:01 PM)
Agree with sassy! Extreme but good on you for doing it, and your reasons for it as well!  thumbup.gif
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here's the funny thing; the ones that are so scared that transwomen or gay will goda them are the ones that normally we don't have selera to even tease... how lah...
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QUOTE(mypagan_26 @ Jan 5 2016, 01:24 PM)
hahahaha.... true! but they also say that those who is extremely against it are actually compensating/covering up the fact that deep down they think about it!
Personally, I don't mind any!
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QUOTE(faizal muthakhir @ Jan 5 2016, 03:03 PM)
yo. i didnt question your choice. i dont have problem with homosexual. i am just saying this is against the Malaysian constitution.
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please quote which part of the constitution
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QUOTE(faizal muthakhir @ Jan 5 2016, 03:10 PM)
Unnatural Offences
Section 377A. Carnal intercourse against the order of nature.
“Any person who has sexual connection with another person by the introduction of the penis into the anus or mouth of the other person is said to commit carnal intercourse against the order of nature. … Penetration is sufficient to constitute the sexual connection necessary to the offence described in this section.”

Section 377B. Punishment for committing carnal intercourse against the order of nature.
“Whoever voluntarily commits carnal intercourse against the order of nature shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to twenty years, and shall also be liable to whipping.”

Section 377C. Committing carnal intercourse against the order of nature without consent, etc.
“Whoever voluntarily commits carnal intercourse against the order of nature on another person without the consent, or against the will, of the other person, or by putting other person in fear of death or hurt to the person or any other person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term of not less than five years and not more than twenty years, and shall also be liable to whipping.”

Section 377D. Outrages on decency.
“Any person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any person of, any act of gross indecency with another person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years.”

“The Sharia Penal law in the Malaysian state of Syriah prescribes penalties for sodomy (Liwat) and lesbian relations (Musahaqat) with fines of RM5,000.00, three years imprisonment and 6 lashes of the whip. All these penalties can be combined.”

i have no problem with LGBT. just like i dont have problem with Murtad. but i dont see any LYN Murtad Thread in here.
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you, sir, need to study what is the difference between Penal Code and the Constitution rolleyes.gif

we're posting a thread, not friggin having an orgy.
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by the way, oral and anal sex also happen between heterosexual couples. so why the bias towards LGBT? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Jan 5 2016, 03:14 PM)
Urm, isnt this the Penal Code?
Usually in the Constitution, everything starts with Article [Number]
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