QUOTE(bieyatie @ Jan 15 2016, 12:12 PM)
this is the new reality.even china made products now longer cheap in rm.
worse if in usd or yen.
USD/MYR drop, v3
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Jan 15 2016, 12:32 PM
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this is new...
what about local banks? what impact eventually on the RM? QUOTE Higher cost of borrowing in Malaysia by foreign banks, says report Published: 15 January 2016 10:21 AM Several foreign banks have increased their base rates last week caused by a shortage of ringgit and US dollars. – The Malaysian Insider file pic, January 15, 2016. A shortage of ringgit and US dollars following the decline in the Malaysian currency's value over the past year has forced some foreign banks to raise their cost of borrowing. The Business Times in Singapore reported that OCBC Bank (Malaysia) and United Overseas Bank (Malaysia) (UOB) both increased their base rates last week. UOB told the business daily that the base rate was raised last Friday by 11 basis points, from 3.89% to 4%. It's base lending rate (BLR) has also gone up from 6.85% to 6.96%. Meanwhile, OCBC took similar steps immediately after the new year, increasing its base rate from 3.92% to 3.99%, and its BLR from 6.85% to 6.92%. The moves were made despite Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) maintaining the key overnight policy rate (OPR) at 3.25%, so as not to add further pressure to businesses and individuals struggling with loan repayments. Analysts say the liquidity crunch in the country is due to the shortage of ringgit and US dollars. The Business Times reports that the ringgit is currently trading at 4.42 to the US dollar, having declined by about 30% since late 2014. An independent interest-rate and foreign-exchange strategist Suresh Ramanathan told the Business Times that due to the liquidity squeeze, large-scale wholesale deposits are being taken out by companies and converted to foreign-currency deposits to pay back loans or to cover foreign-exchange losses. He added that many corporations would not have thought of having to hedge their US dollar borrowings at the 4.5-to-5 level and so have to resort to such moves. According to the Business Times, the BNM website, as at last Friday, had listed Maybank as offering the lowest base rate of 3.20% with Public Bank next at 3.6% and Ambank at 4.0%. Meanwhile, another foreign bank, HSBC Bank Malaysia, denied earlier reports that it would also raise its base rate from today. – January 15, 2016. - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.X798Jnr2.dpuf |
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Jan 15 2016, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 15 2016, 02:31 PM) Hong Kong Dollar Headed for Biggest Weekly Decline Since 2003 the bets are on - hkd can't hold on to the 7.75 peg.http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...line-since-2003 HKD (aka strong like steel) can't hold on any longer same bets that the saudi ryal can't hold too. if saudi repegs, all middle eastern pegegd currencies will repeg. all of that is just another way of saying... keep your usd. |
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Jan 15 2016, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2016, 04:11 PM) this "foreign banks liquidity crunch".now, it's only the foreign banks doing it. will local banks follow suit? there is a lot of pressure on bnm to raise all borrowing rates but the politicians will rather cut rates to make people happy (suffer after ge14 la...) the situation here is a bit similar to china - growth slowing, confidence lacking, capital fleeing. put all of that together, it's still the same rock n roll to me - rm's intermittent gains but still on a downward path. becos the confidence is not there: investors, bizmen, foreign and domestic... all are jittery by what they see and not what the politicians yell. until rates are raised, until borrowings are curbed, until wasteful spending is stopped, until the transparency and integrity is restored. and that, has little chance of happening for now. This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jan 15 2016, 04:28 PM |
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QUOTE(Jolokia467 @ Jan 15 2016, 05:02 PM) Now we only got 2 choices, one is rate BLR rate, two is let RM floating drop to RM 6 = 1 or infinity. It depends on us. yep.but i don't see massive rate hike. likely rm 5.0 or higher. putrajaya will impose their brand of "lesser of 2 evils" - been very successful telling rakyat to eat kangkung and local broken rice. no need imports, so even 6.0 is not a problem. |
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Jan 15 2016, 05:26 PM
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anyone watching crude?
wti now 29.70. iran expected to start pumping full force next week after UN's ok anytime now. and.... rm 4.40x. This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jan 15 2016, 05:26 PM |
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 13 2016, 10:37 PM) get ready yr cash.14 Jan 2016 10:15 UTC - 15 Jan 2016 10:29 UTC USD/MYR close:4.42210 low:4.36881 high:4.42210 next week should be possible. and i was hoping for 4.35. This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jan 15 2016, 06:32 PM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 15 2016, 06:57 PM) Low fuel price should translate into cheaper charges for transportation. Has anybody seen cheaper flight tickets around, whether from budget carriers, or from full-service carriers ? lower fuel prices does nothing to the small fella.QUOTE “You see a big destruction in the income of the oil and commodity producers,” Turner said. “That is having a major effect on their expenditure across the world.” The benefit for consumers from historically low oil prices is being blunted by changes in fuel taxation and a reduction in subsidies, according to Paul Horsnell, head of commodities research at Standard Chartered Plc in London. “But it certainly shows that current prices are very low by any description,” he said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...s-china-fizzles |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2016, 05:46 AM) LATER RATE HIKES? if they fall short of plan, raise only once or none in 2016, it will put more pressure on china to devalue the rmb further and faster.The Fed raised U.S. policy rates for the first time in nearly a decade in December, and signaled they expect four rate hikes this year. Traders are doubtful. They see the Fed raising rates only once this year, and not until June, based on trading in short-term interest-rate futures. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-...y-idUSKCN0UT1MO either way, the rm will be pushed lower. more so with brent at 29. 15 Jan 2016 02:30 UTC - 16 Jan 2016 02:33 UTC USD/MYR close:4.42505 low:4.37681 high:4.43080 next to watch: China is expected to release fourth-quarter GDP, industrial production and retail sales data Tuesday morning. on the domestic front, protracted bijan chronicles will invariably invite more and more of these: QUOTE Stay clear of Malaysia, US fund manager tells investors - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.CyltxyhW.dpuf This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jan 16 2016, 11:21 AM |
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Jan 16 2016, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Jan 16 2016, 12:37 PM) These things are not instantaneous.. crude oil may drop, but jet fuel is a different beast altogether. jet fuel a diff beast?it is basically kerosene. and price drop same like crude, gaosline, diesel, heating oil, etc. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_spt_s1_w.htm |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 16 2016, 02:02 PM) The thinking that when prices drop, 'more profit for me' is very true. "profit" is about margin and volume.As for benefits to the world when China slowsdown and devalues the RMB, I am really doubtful that it takes time for the effects to trickle through. When times do turn around later on, I would say that it is a combination of actions around that world that caused the turnaround, and not because of the Chinese slowdown. One can always argue that it's because of the structural reforms in China that brought about the slowdown, and such reforms are good for everybody at the end of the day, it's really unfathomable for one to visualize this. not necessary higher margin = more profits. many biz raise price but still close down... becos vol drop like hell. i see so many restaurants, pharmacies, carwashes, etc. closing down - simply insufficient volume. people just don't have the disposable income to keep paying higher and higher prices. what's happening in china is really the end result of years of QE in USA, EU and Japan. so much new and easy money fueling price incr everywhere and everything. but the buck has stopped, so the buying stopped. this factory of the world called china has to slow down - the orders have slowed down. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 16 2016, 05:47 PM) So, for investors waiting for China to come back will never see this happening because the numbers coming out from China will never improve anymore. Why ? Because the numbers that we see coming out from China are actually numbers based on the manufacturing activities, which have long dominated China's performance. Investors worldwide will be misled. i'm sure those trillion $ analysts and investors have eyes on all data, not just manufacturing.And then, if China moves on into a service-led economy, prices of commodities will NEVER go back up again because China will never need to import too much of such commodities anymore. Perhaps another lower-cost country will take-up the slack to be the world's factory, but till now, I don't see any country that has the capability to replace China as a world consumer of commodities. If the above is the new reality, then Australia and other EM countries which depended a lot upon commodity pricings will be in big trouble. china service based... not so soon. i see china remaining as the factory of the world for a long long time. the only big country with cheap labor and industrious entrepreuners i can think of is India and India has been on the map for a long time. people need to get it - besides big brother usa, gotta watch 2nd largest economy, china in this millennium - be it political or economic. eu combined is not as influential anymore. |
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 16 2016, 07:01 PM) Labour cost in China is no longer cheap, labour cost in 2nd and 3rd tier cities are higher than kv at current exchange rate. Unless pboc and cpc continue to support their glc, chinese export is hardly profitable. kv may be cheaper but nobody's moving here. so, to which countries/cities will the factories move to, u think? any evidence/sign of that happening yet? |
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 16 2016, 08:16 PM) USD/MYR closed @ 4.4565 on 29/9 which was the lowest in 2015 -v- Brent Oil @ USD48.23 on 29/9 why do we like to explain things with "invisible hands"? Right now USD/MYR is trading @ 4.40 on 15/1 -v- Brent Oil @ USD29.24 For d past 3.5 mths, Brent Oil have tumbled close to 39.3% -v- USD/MYR have appreciated close to 1.2% Can v presume USD/MYR have found the support level @ 4.40 +/- assuming no 'invisible hand bts'? there is no special hand(s) "protecting" anything as this currency thing is big, global and intricately connected. look at the brazilian real - same like rm, as oil plunges, the rate of decay slows down. that is natural - if it has fallen that much, it won't fall as much anymore for the same reason as other factors become more impt. on the other hand, the south african rand continues to fall when it is not a major oil producer (brazil #9, malaysia #26, south africa #41) - said to be due to china weakness and the attitude of the president. oil will remain as one of the factors, so will new bijan chronicles. usa fed, china data and oil/commodity prices will continue to dominate how currencies move. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 17 2016, 06:41 PM) A 'visible' target would be one day after the Budget Revision Day, January 29th., Friday. Otherwise, you gotta watch closely everyday and quickly convert when the RM suddenly strengthens. Oh no... you are clinging on to "budget revision will help rm".I say any possibility to help already discounted, can only hurt it. No chance bijan & co. will do anything except barricade themselves, buy votes. Don't forget zeti is history, no eye see. This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jan 17 2016, 07:12 PM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 17 2016, 07:23 PM) Guessed I am not the type who will just sit down and say we are doomed,....I prefer to say there is always a way out,... sitting down is ok, just don't sit and do nothing all the time. itis not just the rm we have to wrestle with in 2016 but the cocktail of oil-china-credit markets-fed. anyway, i thought this phrase serves as a reminder: QUOTE The world is in a global recession, Roberts wrote. This terrible cocktail means investors should now be thinking about getting a "return of capital, not return on capital." http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/12/investing/...l?iid=obnetwork |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 19 2016, 04:32 PM) The word "magic" is a taboo in this thread, despite on many occasions the direction of RM defies fundamentals and economic theories i definitely hope the magic aka china effect or bijanomics will last a few more days - pour moi! Soon you will be bombarded with "after-event analysis" to explain why RM defy gravity 18 Jan 2016 11:10 UTC - 19 Jan 2016 11:12 UTC USD/MYR close:4.36920 low:4.35506 high:4.41250 4.35 will be good enough. |
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