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AVFAN
post Jun 26 2016, 01:08 PM

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at the end of brexit day1 for the rm:

usd -3.5%
sgd -2.2%
aud -1.3%
euro -1.0%
yen -6.7%
rmb -2.4%
gbp +5%

if celebrating, it's only against the uk pound.

if spending pounds, better do so quick-quick as prices/fees/charges will be expected to rise very soon.

meanwhile, crude priced tumbled 5%.

brexit effects will go on for a while, expect volatility in fx, stocks, crdue, gold, commodities to persist for some time due to the pound "adjustment".
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post Jun 26 2016, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 26 2016, 03:01 PM)
kinda noobie question  blush.gif

why MYR worse vs Yen?? compare with others currency? hmm.gif
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yen is the "safest" major currency; japanese bonds are where everyone goes to buy when there is panic.

usd is not as "safe" since the fed is now pressured by brexit to dump rate hike plans this year, may even cut rates next year for qe4.

euro is even less safe as brexit will now prompt holland, sweden and denmark to mull exit too.

overall here, usd is probably still the best currency to hold in the near term as it is more fluid and easy to buy/sell.

QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 26 2016, 03:10 PM)
Going to Japan for holiday. Saw that RM drop 4 to 6% to Yen depending which point in time we look at ! Going to buy yen in next few days.  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=MYR&to=JPY&view=1W

Next week RM rebound with Yen, USD ?  hmm.gif
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at this time, rm has nothing to drive it higher.

except rising oil price.

and oil price just dropped 5%, likely to drop further.

becos pre-brexit, most investers/traders bet on bremain and drive stocks/commodities/crude prices higher.

now, they are reeling from the shock, come down to earth to face oversupply and strong usd pressures again.

anyway, don't let a slightly higher spending spoil your the holiday. biggrin.gif


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post Jun 26 2016, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 26 2016, 04:22 PM)
Anyway not going to be affected much no matter how much RM drops. Life goes on.  whistling.gif  thumbup.gif
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right...

these fx changes will not stop, will keep moving up and down for all kinds of reasons.

for necessary spending like fees and travel, no need to be concerned too much.

only for investment, gotta be more careful.
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post Jun 27 2016, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 27 2016, 09:20 AM)
Actually I thought with brexit, RM suppose to go up because investors will flock to safe heaven like malaysia to park their money temporarily?
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u have been reading some unique stuff.



anyway, the trend today continues as expected.

gbp falls further.

yen gains against usd.

usd gains against all other currencies.

the prospect of usd-euro parity is now getting more real.



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post Jun 27 2016, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 24 2016, 01:50 PM)
So usd200b gone down the drain?
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around $2.1 trillion was wiped off the value of global financial markets.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/26/luxembourg-...rexit-vote.html


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post Jun 27 2016, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 27 2016, 02:31 PM)
This sort of valuation is actually quite erroneous.   It's all paper numbers.   biggrin.gif
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of course it is. and for such a big number for all types and classes.

it's the magnitude of the change that's of interest.

just like if yr stocks lost 1mil, can also say it's "only paper loss, no worries...?!! biggrin.gif

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post Jun 27 2016, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Jun 27 2016, 02:41 PM)
2.1 trillion gone - to whose pocket?
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those who shorted gbp, stocks and crude before brexit vote.

those who longed gold, yen and usd.

no report yet which fund or tycoon made billions but soros made some, it seems:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/george-soro...-spokesman.html
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post Jun 27 2016, 06:17 PM

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everyone thinks he/she is great with predictions while analysts are bullshitters. biggrin.gif

ok, ok... here's one analyst with this prediction which i think is about right:

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“From here, a 10 percent fall relative to the U.S. dollar seems about right,” Kit Juckes, a London-based strategist at Societe Generale SA, said in a Bloomberg Television interview on Sunday. “The low point will be somewhere between $1.20 and $1.25.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-u-k-in-turmoil


gbp/usd = 1.34 now.

10% drop = 1.22.

which implies euro will be close to usd parity.

rm... u can figure it out.
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post Jun 28 2016, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 28 2016, 09:24 AM)
Awaiting it to say Hello @ 4.15
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will be difficult with new development post-brexit vote.

central banks now expected to move to limit further losses.

talk now that fed may cut rate, i.e. back to where it was. biggrin.gif

japan may have more negative int rates.

until the mother of all bubbles blow - which may be decades away. so, who cares?!

one day, we here too, may have to pay the banks to keep our money. tongue.gif

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Fed Funds futures indicate there is a 9 percent chance the Federal Reserve will raise interest rates by February and a 20 percent likelihood of a cut. Prior to the U.K.’s referendum, there was zero prospect of a reduction and a 52 percent chance of an increase.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-oil-after-rout

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post Jun 30 2016, 10:33 AM

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usd weakened, rm gained as crude price rose from 46 to 50 post brexit.

now, nomura is speculating...

Brexit may force Bank Negara to cut rates
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...a-to-cut-rates/
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post Jun 30 2016, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 30 2016, 12:01 PM)
don't needed for nomura to speculate, we all know BNM gonna cut rate post-Brexit  devil.gif

that's why some are "locking" FD at current good rate  sweat.gif
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really, u already knew? biggrin.gif

i am not so sure yet.


QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 30 2016, 12:36 PM)
investor now if u see would park in US even if their interest is low.. Japan too.. it's always their MO if world economy is unstable..
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low int rate currencies may not be a bad thing in the mid-long term.

in the longer term,currencies with "high" int rates will probably do worse.

see the the kind of fear big money has at this time?

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There are now $11.7 trillion worth of bonds with negative yields
With its aggressive easing policies, Japan is by far the global leader in negative yields, at $7.9 trillion, up 18 percent for the month. German 10-year bunds also swung into negative territory — they traded at -0.115 percent Wednesday — as Germany and France now have more than $1 trillion in negative-yielding debt. Switzerland's yields also have turned negative across the board, with the 10-year trading most recently at -0.5274 percent.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/29/there-are-n...ive-yields.html


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post Jun 30 2016, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 30 2016, 12:25 PM)
Also, isnt cutting interest rate going to make MYR weaker + incease inflation seeing that to prevent inflation , national bank usually increase interest.
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for small and not-so-attractive-to-foreign-investor nations, that will be right - cut in int rates will depr the currency.

for small and safe haven nations like switzerland and singapore, lower rates does not put off investors or depr the currency.

for major economies and safe havens like japan, germany and usa, they can cut and cut until negative, yet trillions will still go there.

ya, the capitalist world is such - big money flows into where the confidence is highest, high yield or low yield.

esp in times of crisis and uncertainty.

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post Jul 6 2016, 06:12 PM

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june 26, 3 days after brexit vote, this article talks of a further 10% fall for the pound, ie.e from 1.34 to 1.20
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-u-k-in-turmoil

today, the pound touched 1.28.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/06/british-pou...e-to-swirl.html

brexit longer term effects, continued oil glut, weak major global economies... more and more reports pointing to stronger $ (beside the yen).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...forecaster-says
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...se-much-further

and bnm may cut rates due to weak gdp?

keep your mighty $! tongue.gif

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