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AVFAN
post Jan 19 2016, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jan 19 2016, 07:35 PM)
what happen, drop to 4.35 already
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china impt data today ok, everyone happy.

oil and other commodities recover ok.

hopes of new china stimulus.



but all that... usually does not last very long as the data is not stellar.

plenty of weakness elsewhere, incl crude/oil.

and bijanomics is not doing anything real.



so, the rm is not going anywhere.

may be back to 4.40 by tmrw morning. tongue.gif

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post Jan 19 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 19 2016, 10:48 PM)
MR_alien, here you go....the "after event analysis" I talked about. There are always many "explanations" to everything    tongue.gif
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post Jan 20 2016, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2016, 12:39 PM)
1) Mr Mackel is contradicting himself when he commented in the following ways :-
a) He said the local unit was expected to be relatively stable at 4.40 against the US dollar,...
b) However, against the emerging market currencies, it would post a stronger performance, he said.
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no ler...

b) was about USD, not RM.

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post Jan 20 2016, 08:09 PM

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Emerging Markets Lost $735 Billion in 2015, More to Go, IIF Says

“Countries with large current-account deficits, high levels of foreign-exchange corporate indebtedness and questionable macro policy frameworks would come under particular pressure in the event of further emerging-market retrenchment," the IIF report said. "At-risk countries include Brazil, South Africa and Turkey."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-to-go-iif-says



19 Jan 2016 12:00 UTC - 20 Jan 2016 12:06 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.39690 low:4.35739 high:4.39804

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post Jan 21 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:34 AM)
RM appreciates during malaysia office hours. Has been the case recently
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1mdb asset sale money coming in slowly in the day time?

hope it stays that way for the few days! biggrin.gif


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post Jan 21 2016, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 21 2016, 10:16 AM)
When it ends and no more magic, RM will go beyond 4.45  tongue.gif
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ah... i did not want to say that yet - i need to buy some first. tongue.gif
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 21 2016, 08:54 PM)
So,... did BNM increase the OPR this evening ? I highly doubt so....
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unchanged, as everyone expected.

i am of the view bnm (after zeti is replaced) will cut rates sometime later this year.

these are the signs:

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...hed-says-report
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...-oil-and-gas-wo
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...-in-other-field

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post Jan 22 2016, 11:50 AM

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nice, buying today. tongue.gif
AVFAN
post Jan 22 2016, 06:57 PM

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rm gained 2% vs usd today.

oil recovered 6% since last night.

but it was this surprise SRR cut that actually boosted the rm:
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Bank Negara lowers SRR
The SRR refers to a regulation that requires commercial banks to have an amount of funds kept with the central bank, interest-free, and used to manage liquidity in the banking system. This would be the first time the central bank has adjusted the SRR since July 2011.
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ara-lowers-srr/


so, what happens next?



i bought some usd today. tongue.gif

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post Jan 22 2016, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 22 2016, 07:28 PM)
Reducing SRR increase the supply of RM in the market. In this case, there will be an extra RM40b supply in the market. All else being equal, this move may lower the price of RM (in short term) according to the law of supply and demand

On the other hand, when there are extra RM in the market, it may stimulate the economy (on longer term). It has the same effect as reducing the interest rate, which should push down the value of RM in short term, but good for the economy (and hence RM) in the long term

So, the SRR move should have depreciated RM more in short term. But we witness today that the RM, once again, defied economic theories and gravity and flew up instead

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liquidity does not matter when fx leaves the country?!

i think u r so very capable of defying everything! thumbup.gif

this fella in ocbc should be sacked, employ u! tongue.gif

'Ringgit expected to sink further beyond RM4.50 to the dollar'
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/327890
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post Jan 22 2016, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 22 2016, 07:44 PM)
You brought up the SRR as the reason of RM appreciate today. But "all else being equal", RM shouldn't perform this way today. The rise of RM were attributable to some other reasons.

I did not defy everything, you are the one who is defying economic theories  tongue.gif

Why the OCBC fella should be sacked ? He is just predicting a figure which could be right or wrong. Remember most of the people here (including myself) laughed at Hong leong bank analyst when he/she predicted RM will rise back to 4.20 when RM was depreciating like falling stone to 4.45 ? He/she was actually right !  notworthy.gif
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yes, i am of the view today's srr cut led to improved liquidity->incr confidence->incr fx inflow->lower mgs yield, rm appr.

add oil price +7% within 24 hours has an effect too.

it is timely becos banks have been offering higher fd rates to meet their deposits/loans ratio.

more liquidity also = more credit, more spending, more gorengs, higher klci.

but this has limited if not opposite effect if they cut again when there is no liquidity issue.

clearly u disagree with above since u said what u said.



i think better this way... today bnm closing official: 4.295/4.304, say 4.30.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates

let's give it until 31 mar, end of 1q2016.

if rm is 4.20 or better, i quit this thread.

if rm is >4.40, you quit this thread.

if somewhere in the middle, we can hang around and talk some more. laugh.gif

deal or not? biggrin.gif

hey, time we need closure, be answerable to ourselves if we got it all wrong or all right.

and not continue to mislead others.

ok or not? tongue.gif
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post Jan 22 2016, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 22 2016, 09:33 PM)
I am just pointing out your view contradicts the law of supply and demand. If you believe what you believe, it is perfectly alright to me. I always accomodate different views. I don't force my view unto others. I hope you can accommodate my view and give it a little thought as well
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i am not so sure if my view or yr views contradict laws of supply and demand or economics.

you believe in magic and hidden hands, remember? laugh.gif

ok, let's rest, wait and see. tongue.gif
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post Jan 22 2016, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 22 2016, 10:37 PM)
Reducing SRR increase or decrease the supply of RM ?
Yes, RM defied law of economics as we have seen in many occasions over the recent months. When the behaviour of RM cannot be explained by the textbook, then it must be something extraordinary happening behind the scene. For dramatic purpose, I termed it "magic" and "hidden hands". Actually everything is about the market demand and supply. We just didn't know what action taken by the "players"  tongue.gif
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SRR cut surely incr money supply, everybody knows.

But in a tight liquidity situation, it helps credit markets (help retrenched workers, o&g cos.), incr spending, and not choke it to make things worse. foreigners confident, buy mgs/bursa, rm up. to an extent only. i already said that, u can't follow?

whatever magic u mean, i still say it is not big enough to be material, has only a small and temp effect.

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post Jan 22 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 22 2016, 10:46 PM)
SRR injected about 5-6 billion extra liquidity to banks, which is insignificant to move RM in such today magnitude.
Also with more liquidity, lower interest rate could be for interbank rate, which actually is a negative factor for RM in forex market.

It is more about world financial movement direction, which coincide the SRR cut, as well as oil price surging in a big magnitude.
Every currency is surging against USD in today movement, just how many % only.
RM was one hardest hit previously, so with bouncing theory, it should bounce more during reversal.  biggrin.gif

Mind that, RM vs Sgd or even AUD, still stand above 3 level.
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if 5-6 bil can't do it, then 1mdb assets sale of 2.3 bil to china will do even less.


well, bloomberg seems to think the srr cut had an effect like i thought.

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Foreign investors sold a net $7 billion of Malaysian equities and bonds in 2015, and were net sellers of shares in the first two weeks of this year, according to central bank figures. Bank Negara said Thursday it had pumped 40 billion ringgit ($9.3 billion) into the banking system via monetary operations including the reverse-repurchase facility since early 2015 as "net external outflows reduced the amount of liquidity in the system."

The statutory reserve requirement cut will add 6.2 billion ringgit to the system, according to estimates from Credit Suisse Group AG. There’s a risk that if the market interest rate structure is too low, it could result in further capital outflows, which could be negative for the ringgit, Singapore- based analyst Michael Wan wrote in a report Friday.

“The cut in the statutory reserve requirement played a part in the falling swaps, which basically reflects the shift in sentiment toward a bias for some easing,” Mizuho’s Varathan said.
http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=...JMR9911HF8H60ON

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post Jan 22 2016, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 22 2016, 10:57 PM)
I have been slowly increasing the ratio of RM from 80:20 to lower. Hopefully I can get beyond the 50:50 before it is too late  tongue.gif
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still not there yet? hurry up! biggrin.gif

i'm at where i want to be.
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post Jan 22 2016, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 22 2016, 11:05 PM)
Not bloomberg, but just an analyst's view. As usual, analysts pick and choose economic theory that fit into his "after event analysis". The very same theory could be used in the opposite position when "the need" arises in the future. We have seen too many times about these "after event analysis". Everything is explanable  tongue.gif
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that is true, but i did see something to that effect as well on bloomberg tv.
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post Jan 22 2016, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 22 2016, 11:13 PM)
5-6 billion SRR extra liquidity added is in RM or local banking system.
The extra liquidity may opt to invest abroad, or convert to Sgd/Usd as some forumers here wish to, which may create selling factor for RM which is negative factor for RM.

Sale of asset to overseas, foreign currency needs coming in to pay for the bill, which created more demand for RM. A positive factor for RM.
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what i meant was if 5-6 b cannot move rm down, 2.3 cannot move rm up.

can't talk about how and where the money goes eventually... since we don't know that.
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post Jan 25 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 24 2016, 11:58 PM)
Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) Governor, Tan Sri Dr Zeti Akhtar Aziz, said Malaysia used to be an export-led economy in the 1990s but it is no longer so.

http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/01/123589/...fforts-economic

Implying in the long term, there could only one direction for myr to move.
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"It was driven by domestic demand for more than a decade that saved us. This is why we have five to six per cent growth, even in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. It is because even though our trade contracted, our domestic demand drove our growth," Zeti said in an interview on The CNBC Conversation conducted in Hong Kong at the Asian Financial Forum. The interview was conducted by CNBC Asia's Bernard Lo. To a question that Malaysia did not get enough exposure on its economic restructuring, Zeti said: "I believed that Malaysia, including BNM, would make every effort to do so." "But another factor is that we are a country that hasn't borrowed significantly from the international capital markets," she said.
Read More : http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/01/123589/...fforts-economic

"domestic demand" is a nice term but in this situation it simply means "consume what u have, incl via local borrowings", i.e. msian individuals and entities borrowing from each other in all forms, eat, waste and pocket it away gradually.

true, foreign borrowings not high at this time.

if what zeti described continues - no structural changes, no major investment to produce new and diff things, low production/productivity, low commodity prices, same "let's consume first"... doesn't that leave only two likely new possibilities: incr foreign borrowings or sell more national assets to get money?

short term fluctuations cause by major external factors there will always be. but the longer term direction is nothing unclear. and i find it amusing to read some still insist "rm is gross undervalued; our fundamentals are very strong".

QUOTE(Nauts @ Jan 25 2016, 09:04 AM)
USD-MYR 4.2700  -0.0228  -0.53%
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today public holiday, bnm closed.

figures will be more accurate tmrw.

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post Jan 25 2016, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jan 25 2016, 10:39 AM)
BNM closed also figure on myr side
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for today, on xe.com:
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=1Y

it is driven by foreign markets... crude price, rmb...

4.250 is possible, but i think will hard to be better than that.
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post Jan 26 2016, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 09:11 PM)
yes, i am of the view today's srr cut led to improved liquidity->incr confidence->incr fx inflow->lower mgs yield, rm appr.

add oil price +7% within 24 hours has an effect too.
midf also think srr cut did boost the rm last friday.
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MIDF Research also noted that the ringgit was the biggest gainer among Asian currencies last Friday, up 2.07% against the US dollar. This was also its biggest one-day gain against the greenback since June 21, 2010.

The ringgit was clearly buoyed by Bank Negara Malaysia’s decision to reduce the statutory reserve ratio, which we estimate will release RM6.2 billion into the banking system,” MIDF Research commented.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/f...est-four-months



QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 25 2016, 03:45 PM)
I think change-over half of what we have positioned for today. Then if it drops further tmrw,... change over the rest.

Then watch for Thursday,....
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did u manage to get a good rate?

public holiday yesterday

today, back to 4.29.

crude <30 again.

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Jan 26 2016, 02:27 PM

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