It is true. I did tried to replicate the business into aussie land. It doesnt work. Luckily i didnt start. Labor cost is a bomb. Transport cost, and clearence cost.

Career wise, i think is better in Aussie than Malaysia.
Business wise, any developing country climate will be best, for example cambodia, vietnam, laos. Singaporean likes it alot. Lol cheap labor, production fast, very cheap to build a warehouse.

Ubereat cannot work?

I have passive income as a director salary in KL,
But I stay and do freelance in Aussie.

I got taxed whatever money debited into my Aussie bank account. For example there was once I put in 5 digits of Aussie dollar to my aussie bank account, I got taxed.

Whatever money you received from ourseas bank to your Aussie bank will be taxed and queried by ATO.

Unless you are rich and super frequent travel from KL to Aussie and decided to bring cash. But I don't see this is a rational way to do it.

I forgot, because it was added with my freelance job income in Aussie.
I suggest if you move there for the first time, bring enough money to sustain for the first few months until you get a job. use the money from your job income in Aussie. Not from your money from KL.

Is good to have certain certificates or license to get into the job, especially for those technical/skills job.

but making a Janitor getting a certificate to work is funny though, for example. you know what i mean? lol

all these while I am mixing getting any kind of easy certificate in case of downfall. from Digital Marketing to yoga course lol.

was it to comply the 2 years requirement for PR?

how many of you got affected by the pandemic? in terms of job and money? how do you cope it?

I am unable to move back to Melbourne. Although my main job is not full time there, my main source of income still from KL.

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Aug 19 2020, 03:04 PM

I have a cousin who depend on project for living. Since March until now no income at all because no clients to visit. He tried odd jobs, like fiverrs and etc. can't cope the high living.
It is becoming more stressful because being in mid 30s, he emergency funds are depleting, with repayment for mortgage and car, he is basically left with a few more months.

another friend of mine, manage to go on flight and come back to KL recently. Since living here is cheaper. Lost his job in Perth. But found a job in KL, at least for the next 1 year he doesn't need to worry much.

this pandemic gives me a very clear mind many things are very fagile.

yeah, stuck in KL, but current business in KL is okay.

This is very fragile. And sad to hear it.

i thought of that. but most important thing now is to survive and not allowing my income to stop generating. I can't do extras in Aussie, but I can do more in KL at the moment for example I opened an e-commerce platform selling health care and safety care products in KL during this pandemic.

The pandemic shaped my thinking to choose survivability over comfort and good lifestyle at least for the current situation now. Anyway I wanted to go back to Aussie soon because I miss my dog lol.

import license is hard to obtain in Aussie compared with Malaysia.

For example, when i ordered a pallet of goods from Taiwan, I need to register yeah.
The lineancy for documentation in Malaysia is easier than Aussie which make a better business climate for starters.

In Aussie you need to declare up to the underwear, meaning u have to submit almost everything including their recipes, which many manufacturers are reluctant to produce.

i think with imposing minimum working rate, I suppose it will be good for career, but not for enhancing business climate. Bosses of restaurant may not be able to generate enough cash to correct their business model when something went wrong or expand because of expensive wages. So they have to attend to be waiter themselve very often at start. This makes expansion very slow unless they have alot of cash to burn. then when all the cost put into the selling price, end up no one would buy, and the more the insist on minimum wages, the more pressure the selling price will be. Just take one hiccup like this for example, how many business will fall.

1:08 speaks everything


my parent's F&B business in KL had salary cut for staffs after coming into a meeting and all the staff agreed to do so. Therefore few chains managed to survive through this pandemic. It is lucky enough that most of them do not have a lot of commitment, or i can say no high commitment, for example cheaper room rents, food and etc. What i am trying to say is, imagine the commitments are high, the staffs will suffer and possible they will end up complaining to Labor office, then union will form. lol

it is very true, when you say lowering wages to help and stimulate demand, but I cannot see how it will going to work if the unions want this and that lol.

at least you know how to judge situation and change spending behavior.

i have many friends who does not, almost 40 yo still spending like crazy before the pandemic.

this is why one of us will maintain the Malaysian passport

Insercure is not a bad thing, as long as you can notice it. I would pity some doesn't realize it. For example my single uncle reaches 50, he did not realize that his age matter in his job. VSS may happen at anytime and he wasn't prepare for it. even if it is not VSS, health matters can hinder his plan. because he always thought at the 5 years before actual retirement, he will focus on saving 100%. Saving is not 5 year thing, is should be displine and practiced life long..

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Aug 22 2020, 09:14 PM

Well, what can I say. This is the thing I am getting more and more worried about my future generations, and is also what I realized clearly during this crisis.

We were born in a country where discriminated policy such as the bumi and non-bumi thing. But i realize that this is very petty compared to western country. In UK for example, obese is a disability, and people will get benefit from it by exploiting it. Not wanting to cut down diet. So these are the system we are talking whether or not it will fail in long term. Of course there are people debating for it to have it abolished.

I have an ex-classmate who literrally not getting herself work so she can get money from Centerlink many years back. And then what shocked me was the money she saved from centerlink used to buy PS4. Her 1 BR house was a mess. Actually this wasn't the first case I knew off. Who is paying them? Tax payer like us of course. And our kids( if you have) may have to fork out more tax in future, if it is not under control. Now we still have mining industry to hold the whole system. But we do not know how long more to go.

My family group chat (some relatives who migrated overseas long ago) had people critisizing the peanut pay of RM 800 or RM 1000 from government for the covid 19 help. Which is only 300 sdg or 200 usd, or 150 pounds whatsover, they fail to realized that even so these are helps from government which is a big deal for many people in Malaysia. Although I do not comment much in that chat, I do however thinks that they may have had heavily influenced by the system, spoilt, and feeling entitled. Also, having not realizing what is right or wrong is worrisome, I do not hope that this will be happen to my children's midnset when they grow up. Therefore I told my wife, we may be keeping them back in Malaysia to attend normal schools and learn from there before migrate back to Aussie when they need to attend college. LOL!

LOL!!

finding job for me was not a big issue, i think it depends on the field you are working at. But it should be priority, so the main person either your husband or you who will work should be moving there first. since the 190 gives you 5 years, the rest can mvoe there at the last day of the 5 years and stay for 2 years.

if you looking for good welfare, yes Australia will be the one. but ultimately, is what you want for your children, how you want them to grow up? it all depends on you.

also ultimately how you want to retire without afraid of doing nothing the next 20 years or so. Retiring in Aussie is quite expensive, unless the repayment is already done. and everything settled.

day care was about 100-110 AUD per day at my area. regional area could be cheaper. I told my wife to stop working and do the job because the salary is same as day care price, we had 2 children.

groceries are like 700 per month, if i remembered. Milk powders are cheap. when i was there i choose to live very near to workplace, so i didn't haev to pay for a car much, just had 1 pre-own vehicle. that is about it.

for school, am keeping my children in KL or maybe singapore, I would much prefer them to learn the culture value. So I do not know about public schools in Aussie.

my children were 2-5. now they grown. i was stuck KL before the covid 19. but it doesn't affect me much, since i didn't have full time job in aussie. my main business still in KL.

u miss Malaysia?