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 How To Check Your Forex Broker Is Genuine Or Scam, Real FX Broker VS Scam FX Broker

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post Oct 30 2021, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(eugene84chan @ Oct 30 2021, 06:30 PM)
is fracproperty.com legit investment platform?
they offer FRAC tokens.
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They mentioned that they are ASIC regulated but never show the license details. Anyone can share more info?

In my opinion, be extra careful with property investment platform, typically investors would prefer to own the properties instead of through these type of investment platform.
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post Nov 4 2021, 04:44 AM

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QUOTE(Mffra @ Nov 2 2021, 12:46 PM)
Hi, how about robot from aiprofx and broker yunikonfx? safe or not? anyone who has joined?
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It is extremely dangerous to invest/trade with an unregulated broker. Most likely are FX scam!
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post Nov 4 2021, 04:48 AM

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QUOTE(DrFX @ Nov 4 2021, 04:32 AM)
Now we can see which FX SCAM are you promoting. Your turn will come. We know a couple of victims from Penang. Not many victims like to shout online like you.

Again here is not a place for FX scammer. You can invest all your saving with Sentratama, that still doesnt proof it is a genuine FX. If you cant find a victim, that also doesnt mean it is a genuine FX. Here we learned to identify FX scam before it turn into catastrophe. Just the matter time.
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No wonder he is very unhappy with my webinar. I let the elite members here judge. Do you think this type of performance looks real to you? Maximum drawdown is only 1.36% for 3 years trading. For me, it's clear manipulation.

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post Nov 4 2021, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(dcmbdcmb @ Nov 4 2021, 10:42 PM)
Found this forum while DYOR for Samtrade and has been reading the posts. Only recently managed to register for an account.

Would like to get all the pro opinions.

Samtrade has recently renamed and rebranded. And also got their ASIC license. Do you think it is legit? And still possible scam?
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Hi dcmbdcmb,

SamTradeFX is a FX SCAM that pretend like a real broker. Both their FCA and ASIC white label license were revoked. It would be interesting to see what license they going to get or buy.
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post Nov 5 2021, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(dcmbdcmb @ Nov 5 2021, 02:11 AM)
They just got new license from ASIC... Can ASIC license be bought?
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Any license can be purchase like TriumphFX, they bought over an existing Cysec broker and changed the company name to TriumphFX.

This post has been edited by terrytan: Nov 5 2021, 02:16 AM
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post Nov 6 2021, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(Lucas0323 @ Nov 6 2021, 01:33 AM)
Most of brokers are cfd for fx correct?
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Yeah...
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post Nov 6 2021, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Lucas0323 @ Nov 6 2021, 01:59 AM)
Mind share what broker u use? Withdraw timeframe?
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I am using many brokers, Pepperstone, Axi, FXCM, Swissquote, ICM, AIMS, FusionMarkets etc.

Depend on what you looking for. I can recommend you some based on your requirements.
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post Nov 6 2021, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(Lucas0323 @ Nov 6 2021, 04:53 PM)
Hows your review for pepperstone fxcm and swissquote?
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You can open account with below link.
Pepperstone - tight raw spreads with razor account and flexible local deposit and withdrawal. Fast withdrawal.
https://trk.pepperstonepartners.com/aff_c?o...67&aff_id=16162

FXCM - tight institutional spreads account, local deposit but no local withdrawal. Wire withdrawal fee USD40
https://secure4.fxcorporate.com/tr/?rb=VESBOLT_LTD

Swissquote - spreads higher with Swiss banking account.
https://apply.swissquote.com/fx/?lang=en&pa...me=MT4LIVEINDIV

Axi - tight spreads with multiple funding methods, including local deposit and cryptos funding. 20% credit bonus. Fast withdrawal.
http://www.axi.com/int/live-account?promocode=871263

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post Nov 8 2021, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(curious9 @ Nov 8 2021, 01:46 PM)
Do you guys know if this is legitimate for Forex trading?
unionrebate.com (union technology platform)
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It's more like a money manager. Similar to VESBOLT.
They are using genuine brokers. What you need to look at is the trading performances.
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post Nov 9 2021, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Whoopee71 @ Nov 9 2021, 09:50 PM)
Hi,

Speaking of "local deposit and withdrawal", I believe that you're referring to Local Bank Transfer method being offered by some of the FX brokers.
I've noticed that when we opt for this Local Bank Transfer, method we'll have to log into our local bank account via a 3rd party/broker's own funding page/portal, i.e. we have to key in our local bank login credentials via the said 3rd party/broker's portal instead of via our official local bank web page (e.g official Maybank2U login website) to do the fund transfer!!! 
It's as though this method is using a 3rd party/local agent to handle the fund transfer for us, because once we've done our local bank login and transfer, our bank statement will show the Beneficiary name is some LOCAL company (e.g. Ah Kow Trading Enterprise) , instead of our FX broker's name!!  Nevertheless, if the broker is legitimate, we will still see the fund deposited into our live trading account, almost instantly.  I've also noticed that the broker would record the deposit transaction as being received from some local payment agent like walaopay.com etc.

The key question here is whether it's really safe or recommended for bank account holders to log into our bank account via any 3rd party portal other than our own bank official web page to do such fund transfer. 
Also, if there's any audit required by any of our local authorities on the money trail, it might be difficult/complicated for us to explain to them that our intention was to transfer the fund to our FX Broker but our official bank statement is showing a different Beneficiary name as I highlighted above.  Is such Local Bank Transfer method legal in Malaysia?  In other words, will we get ourselves into trouble with local authorities later on if they choose to investigate??

That being said, the-said Local Bank Transfer method is indeed attractive in a way that it doesn't cost any explicit Wire Transfer Fee like normal Foreign Telegraphic Transfer (FTT) fee being charged by our local banks, and furthermore the fund deposit can be done almost instantly, instead of waiting for 1-2 days if done via the conventional bank transfer.

I did question my broker on legality of using such Local Bank Transfer method, but the feedback I got from them didn't sound very convincing to me or rather they didn't answer my question completely.

Any clarifications on this subject will be appreciated.
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Hihi Whoopee71,

Hope my answers below able to solve your concern although i have no idea which broker are you using.

Using 3rd party licensed payment gateway or remittance company to offer local deposit for Malaysian are very common among brokers. They are using FPX funding method which is quite common among E-wallet and payment gateway (GrabPay, Shopee, etc) where the system will prompt you to login E-banking and it come with OTP security which is ultimately the protection for every e-banking payment. There is no question about legality on the payment as long as you are using a proper licensed brokers. These type of local deposit normally offer for countries with wiretransfer restriction like Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, etc.

Some international payment services are also using the same method nowadays including WISE. UK FCA Regulated payment services, send and receive money to/from oversea with super low rate instantly. The world is changing.

So your key question is security, yes it is secure if you are using top regulated brokers like Pepperstone, FXCM, Axi etc. If you are using this type of deposit for FX SCAMs, it is extremely dangerous. Typically local authorities will not investigate any local payments but wiretransfer. Thanks to Najib. Make sure you submit your income tax accordingly. For tax wise, your local deposit and withdrawal can always prove with your trading account statements. The payment firm name can be different but the amount can be tally with the broker account statements.

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post Nov 9 2021, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(Whoopee71 @ Nov 9 2021, 11:37 PM)
Hi terrytan,

Thanks for your clarifications.

One of my brokers is Pepperstone, and they do offer the said Local Bank Transfer method, in addition to the conventional wire transfer/FTT method.

I just feel a bit uncomfortable that the Beneficiary name and the Broker's name don't match in our transfer statement, albeit the funds do get deposited into our live trading account.  Hopefully won't raise a money laundering red flag when local authorities see funds are deposited into our trading account but we can't prove that we paid to the corresponding Beneficiary name in our bank statement, although the amount is the same.  I thought we have to show that the source of incoming and outgoing funds must be identical.  On the broker account statement we can prove this part, but not when the authorities ask you to show the local bank statement to prove that we transferred to the same Beneficiary (e.g. Ah Kow Trading Enterprise would appear on our bank statement instead)!!

Apart from that, this Local Transfer method is certainly making the transfer process much faster and cheaper, since there's no separate transfer fee and they offer more attractive exchange rate too.

Not sure if any FX brokers are offering payment services via WISE yet.  I believe WISE is a more popular and internationally recognized payment service provider.
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Hihi Whoopee71,

Pepperstone is well known broker and rank within top 10 in the world. No worries, it's also one of our preferred brokers. If you are not comfortable with local deposit, you are being offer many other methods like wiretransfer, credit card deposit, Paypal, Neteller or Skrill. Dont force yourself if you are not comfortable with it. Anyway, if all top 10 brokers in the world also offer local deposit with the same method, i dont see a necessary to concern as it is a common practise. Bank negara should worried themselves how they handle 1MDB. nod.gif

I understand what you are saying, authorities will not question if the payment is going to a well regulated brokers, if it is an offshore unknown company, then yes it will be a red alert. Even though the company name are different on bank statement and our trading statement, it's normal for payment gateway to use different companies as local appointed agents. If the authorities want to ask further, it is Pepperstone to answer, we are not going to have any trouble as long as it is a well regulated broker because everything is audited and tax are paid accordingly. There are many cryptos exchange in the world are also using the same method nowadays.

It is individual responsible to declare income tax and pay tax accordingly. Keep all your payment receipt and account statements, you may need it in future.


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post Nov 10 2021, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Whoopee71 @ Nov 10 2021, 01:02 PM)
Ya, looks like we will have to start paying income tax for any profits earned from overseas investment including FOREX trading:

"In Budget 2022 announced on Oct 29, it was proposed that income tax be imposed on residents in Malaysia with income derived from foreign sources and received in Malaysia from Jan 1, 2022."
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Someone can help to check FX trading/investing profits are considered capital gain or foreign incomes. My understanding is investing considered capital gain and if you do active self trading daily, it can be consider foreign income. However, end of the day, the account statements do not tell it's self trading or investing. drool.gif

Yes, if the latest budget passed by the parliament.

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post Nov 10 2021, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Whoopee71 @ Nov 10 2021, 06:00 PM)
True, not sure how they'd draw the line or define between self day-trading and investing. Perhaps by frequency or number of open/close trades per day?? 
It sure looks like a grey area, i.e. they may define or change it in whatever way they want if they're desperate for tax money at any time.... biggrin.gif

However, if they see that FOREX trading/investing is one's only source of income, then it may be hard to argue with them... confused.gif
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Open a foreign bank account and withdraw your profits there if you do not wish to declare the profits. rclxm9.gif
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post Nov 10 2021, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 10 2021, 06:14 PM)
in my simple mind...

... if got physical assets like property, stock, gold bullion, etc... and hold for extended periods... is investing... everything else is trading smile.gif

Forex definitely trading... unless you exchanged for notes and hold long... laugh.gif
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Stock and commodities also can be CFDs.

End of the day, just play smart. Malaysia boleh.
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post Nov 10 2021, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 10 2021, 06:17 PM)
how to spend and enjoy? can see cannot touch
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Why not? Foreign bank will provide you debit card to spend. Usually i will spend it on oversea trips.
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post Nov 10 2021, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 10 2021, 06:14 PM)
in my simple mind...

... if got physical assets like property, stock, gold bullion, etc... and hold for extended periods... is investing... everything else is trading smile.gif

Forex definitely trading... unless you exchanged for notes and hold long... laugh.gif
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For FX, our investors are more on investing as in MAM/PAMM. Probably they can show the different with performance fee charged.
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post Nov 10 2021, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 10 2021, 09:00 PM)
what foreign bank you using?
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Both Singapore and Hong Kong banks offered debit cards.

Another option is Swissquote Bank where it offer FX trading and e-banking with debit card. You can open account remotely.
https://apply.swissquote.com/fx/?lang=en&pa...me=MT4LIVEINDIV

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post Nov 12 2021, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(sabelt @ Nov 11 2021, 09:23 PM)
That's the thing even with well regulated offshore (Tier 1 broker) sometimes the bank will call up to make such enquiry every time when make such withdrawal request (most of the time will just answer profit from investment) they just say okay and asked again with annoying voice tone 'ini bukan forex ye' like wth .... my priority will be that my money is safe under these top tier broker

Some Tier 1 broker overseas are under SC watchlists too (eg. ameritrade, tickmill and even tradingview!  rclxub.gif )

End of the day there are no real framework given by the related authority for fx trading.

Thanks to scammers and fake lambo gurus the society look down on this industry
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If you want to avoid calls from the bank, then dont use wiretransfer for your withdrawal, local withdrawal is the only solution to avoid that. Basically it's bank negara policy to check every incoming wire. They scare you received money from JoLow for Najib. LOL

SC? If a top regulated broker listed on SC mean they are actively operate or market in Malaysia without license and SC received complaints from the public, doesnt mean they are scam. But some listed are real SCAMS.

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post Nov 12 2021, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Whoopee71 @ Nov 12 2021, 03:59 PM)
Ya, that's my concern.  I may be able to prove that my broker received fund deposits from me and that I withdrew funds from my broker, in USD, but I can't prove the means that I used to pay to and/or receive from them, because the money trail in my bank statement would not show or reflect the corresponding Beneficiary name (i.e. the broker's name) for each deposit/withdrawal transaction if I were to use the Local Bank Transfer method.  As such, my bank statement would only show that I paid to "Ah Kow Trading Enterprise" or I received funds from "Ah Beng Trading Enterprise", in RM, for these transactions. 

Also, best of luck to us if we try to request these brokers to issue a written letter validating that these Ah Kow and Ah Beng are actually their "appointed payment agents" in the region!  biggrin.gif

I guess that could potentially be a "heavy price (high risk)" for us to pay if we're to opt for such fund transfer method if we're to be audited by authorities later, while initially we may enjoy the low/no wire transfer fee; low exchange rate; and speedy fund transfer (almost instantly). sweat.gif

Meanwhile, recently i noticed that there was an old thread in this forum on this subject too, for reference:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4740205/all

It'd be appreciated if anyone could share a list of BNM-approved non-bank payment gateway providers.

So far, I've found only the following list from BNM, but I'm not sure about the definition of E-Money Issuers or the difference with Payment Gateway Provider.....
https://www.bnm.gov.my/non-bank-e-money-issuers
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Personally, i dont follow BNM list as they are not up to standard compare to world top regulators. Look at 1MDB, you know how "well" they are.

Authorities will not audit or investigate unless you did not pay tax. What they concern is someone escape income tax. The money in not the same name is not an issue as long as you can prove the withdrawal slip or statement and vitally it is from a well regulated broker.

You keep repeating, i guess you dont understand how it works. If the brokers run properly, audit, licensed, there is no issue and no concern. Unless they are unregulated offshore brokers that potentially doing money laundering. Then the chances of get investigate is high.

If happened to be investigate, the top regulated brokers legal team are ready to answer. Why worries? They wont do something fishy to kill their golden egg, the expensive license. FX SCAM without top tier license will do anything since there is no supervision and they have nothing to lose.
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post Nov 12 2021, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Whoopee71 @ Nov 12 2021, 05:33 PM)
Sorry for repeating to some extent, but if you read carefully the issue I raised is not about whether the brokers are of top or low-tier category or whether any of them has got intention to scam or not.  I also have confidence in "top tier" reputable offshore brokers only, but I understand that all offshore FX brokers are not allowed to operate or promote their services as local entity in MY anyway.

Regardless of one has the intention to avoid or evade paying personal income tax, I just hope that there won't be any offshore FX crackdown in MY like what they're doing in China on cryptocurrency now.  When one declares his offshore income as "proceeds/profits from offshore investment" on income tax form, perhaps this would already attract their attention first....haha
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No worries, i understand your concern. FX crackdown is ongoing in Malaysia regardless top tier regulated or unregulated. However, the authorities cant do much, so far what they did is trying to control or filter the outgoing and incoming wiretransfer, alert list and block the brokers web site from internet access.

When they control wiretransfer, brokers offer local deposit and withdrawal solution via payment gateway.

When they block the brokers web site, users can still access via VPN, VPS or Opera browser.

There is nothing much they can do because legally Malaysian are allow to do foreign investment and when your money sent oversea, it's no longer under Malaysia jurisdiction and authorities have no control. Thus investors must be wise enough to pick the right brokers or investment.

Authorities should learn from Singapore, offer retail FX regulations. For the time being, only Labuan offshore offer FX regulation under money broker license with max leverage 1:100.

No matter how China authorities crack down cryptos or FX, trust me, brokers will still tell you the biggest volumes are still coming from China.

The foreign income tax perhaps are part of the effort from authorities, but the politician black money are way much bigger than retail FX players. devil.gif

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