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English Clubs Chelsea FC 2014/15 BPL Champion V38, BPL - Chelsea v Everton 11pm #812

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post Dec 15 2015, 09:33 AM

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Should get james from real, playing style similar to lampard.
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QUOTE(dynames07 @ Dec 15 2015, 10:22 AM)
players can give more to the team but not with the current manager. some human responded well to criticism. at times, it makes them perform well. but not many can stand criticism after criticism, plus the very low morale to stand up and make a change in the next opportunities.

for me, changing the whole squad is really not the solution, except for some 2-3 key positions. most realistic without seeing anybody leaving is to change the way the team is playing.

the way i see it, some players are given too much freedom and creativity and at times, these players did not connect well. fabregas, hazard and at times, willian and matic. time and times again i've mentioned, matic need to keep it simple with his gameplay. i know he is an assest with his mazy runs etc, but with the morale of the team is very low, keep it simple, prioritize defending and controlling the midfield, protect the back 4. he got the stature, but opponent are running rings around him...

then we got hazard-fabregas-costa as the team's goal-getting combo. why this is not working? for me, these 3 guys are confuse during attacking play. costa was there as an outlet in the box for one-twos etc but at time, due to the slow movement of the ball, he went out wide to free some space. why not utilized him to the most? while other team sees their CF as a realistic outlet to move the ball into the box, we at chelsea sees costa as just a runner to attract defenders and create space for midfielder!

as lampard mentioned.. something really need to change for the betterment of the team.
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the problem is..if you use this model..we need to change manager every one or two season..

i prefer if we keep the same model and change under performing players..

actually this can go either way..i can see us dealing with this situation ur way also..

atm, up to Roman and board members..
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i think we done discussing tactical mistakes done by players or by the manager. we have seen all i guess. fullback not pacey enough? we already seen how baba and azpi play together yet still not convincing. terry lack of pace. we have seen zouma and cahill combo. matic not covering back 4. we have seen mikel play and yet the results still the same. costa not penetrating the opponent back 4. remy did that but still the situation is the same. winger dont cover for fulback. willian and pedro did that and yet it still the same.

we have world class manager and world class players. either one have to go.
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post Dec 15 2015, 10:04 AM

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A few points that I'd like to bring up:

-What happened to the team that played Porto?

-Why was oscar only taken off after 65 mins?it was clear he was useless. Shouldn't even have started.

-Remy's reluctance to take a shot all points to his lack of confidence and Jose will probably ignore the goal,focusing on his missed opportunity instead of the goal to keep him on the bench.

-Our passing was disgraceful,azpi's near zero ability to cross with his weaker foot epitomises our embarrassing 'hoof and clear' tactics throughout the 90 mins.

-The fact that we had a towel ready at leicester's end every time we had a throw-in near their area,embodies EVERYTHING that's wrong with the team. £200 mil++++ worth of attacking talent on the pitch and we play bloody long throw-ins with a BLOODY TOWEL ready, while pretending drogba's leading the line. 99.9% it comes to nothing and we end up losing possession yet jose insists on this 'caveman' football tactic.

-Willian had a stinker.

-Matic had an even bigger stinker.

-Who coaches this team and is responsible to get them out of this rut?that's right. No two ways about it,after the amount of matches we've had,everything now lands firmly at the feet of the manager.

- Same squad,same players utilised,and what was most disheartening is the fact that we had a terrible first half and continued in the same vein for much in the second 45. That to me,personally,looks like a coach who's run out of ideas and doesn't know what to do with the team anymore. We didn't come out fighting,and really played like RELEGATION CANDIDATES. Now that is a HUGE cause for worry.

-Ivanovic oh ivanovic. Can't defend to save his life anymore,but can't put the ball in the back of the net from 3 yards either. Keep him in the team of course,that's the jose way.

Now I won't claim to know how exactly roman's mind works,but I would hazard a guess he'd be keenly observing how jose tries to bed in the younger players,given the fact that the seniors have let him down countless times already.

It's clear that he's creating reasons (I.e excuses) for not giving them a fair run and it's such a shame because I honestly believe that's one of the reasons roman has given him his undivided support.he wants to see what the gaffer does to develop at least one or two of these players and whether he will at least try to integrate them.if he somehow manages to get RLC/kenedy/traore to regularly displace the jaded seniors,he'd actually make a strong case for himself that he's indeed looking to build a dynasty.

Sadly, he obviously has a non-existent plan for anyone outside his circle of undeserved invincibles and that will count against him when roman takes everything into account to 'review' the manager's position. I don't even think we have a right to bash van gaal's tactics this season because if we had half the efficiency of their defense we would be much higher up the table,and at least he has the balls to drop underperformers and try their youngsters.

P.s: That bloody towel still gets on my nerves whenever I think about it.

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post Dec 15 2015, 10:21 AM

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If anyone of you notice, costa doing this after we conceded the first goal
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How dare he claimed the defenders are sleeping while he only scored 4 this season... Not good to team harmony
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im sad but i dunno what to say.
watching the game till second goals.
im really mad.

control game wont make we win the game.
god damn it.

before match, see line up already know we gonna attack n fast style (ramires).
but .... why so slow and not sync..

lets hope we win UCL and not dead by jan.

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post Dec 15 2015, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Dec 15 2015, 10:11 AM)
1st bold, the team should works hard in the entire game, not after we conceded

2nd bold, try 433?
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- true

- why not 4-4-2 considering our midfield players are not performing well.

QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Dec 15 2015, 01:04 PM)
A few points that I'd like to bring up:

-What happened to the team that played Porto?

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We scored by counter attacks against porto. But clueles in attacking when chasing a game. pass-pass-pass don't know what to do.

Mourinho is master of counter-attack only. So I reckon we do well in champions league. But we surely will lose to teams like Bournemouth.
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looks like the players wants the manager sacked laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gmhafiz @ Dec 15 2015, 10:27 AM)
- why not 4-4-2 considering our midfield players are not performing well.

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Mourinho says
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'When I saw that situation with him leaving the box, I put Remy on. When you have a second striker you reduce the area between the lines which is very important for us. I put the second man in the box and I took a defender off. When a team like Chelsea plays with a typical 4-4-2 without a number 10 we lose our target in the build-up. Losing 2-0 I tried everything and I kept the number 10 on and I took the defender off.’

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/...ester-away.html

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post Dec 15 2015, 10:51 AM

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Chelsea are plotting a stunning swap deal by offloading Eden Hazard to Real Madrid and getting James Rodriguez in return.

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Dec 15 2015, 10:51 AM)

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I don't see the difference
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post Dec 15 2015, 11:40 AM

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did not watch d match, but woke up to this news. ohmy.gif
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The other 19 managers had a meeting to discuss how to deal with Chelsea after they romped to the title so easily.
They figured it should not be that difficult for 19 brains and co. to think of something.

Top of the tactics suggested were:
1. Stick a leg to wherever Hazard & Matic is going. Foul them, kick them, disrupt them anything goes. Also always have at least 2 men on Hazard, but 3 to be sure. We have 11 yellow cards to give up anyway.
2. Rile up Costa. Make him focus on you instead of the game. From what we see, referee don’t really like him or give him the benefit of the doubt.
3. Attack the fullbacks and drag out the centerbacks. The defence is not pacy and it’s vulnerable to breakaways into space in the final third.
4. Let them have the ball, anticipate and attack the attackers just before they have it because that is where the ball always ends up.
5. Let the fullbacks (esp Ivanovic) cross and anticipate the block/clearance and counterattack. They will be too far upfield to chase back. The midfield with Fabregas will be relatively easy to bypass. In fact, Matic is on the left side and he won’t be the midfielder covering Ivanovic on the right.

Bonus tactics:
1. Bank on the fact almost no referees like them. Even if they are not biased, they are more inclined to look the other way than not. Test out the ref slowly but surely throughout the game and see his inclination to give fouls. See pt 1 & 2.
2. Goalkicks are always aimed at Ivanovic and no one else. He may win the initial header but you just have to attack the second ball. See pt 4.

What we learned so far confirms that these tactics are working and they have no answer to it. Keep doing it on top of working your socks off and you’ll be rewarded with a comfortable win. May the odds be ever in your favour, which is happening quite frequently these days anyways.


somehow i feel what he said is true since our goal mostly come from hazard and costa for last season. lol...
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QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Dec 15 2015, 10:04 AM)
A few points that I'd like to bring up:

-What happened to the team that played Porto?

-Why was oscar only taken off after 65 mins?it was clear he was useless. Shouldn't even have started.

-Remy's reluctance to take a shot all points to his lack of confidence and Jose will probably ignore the goal,focusing on his missed opportunity instead of the goal to keep him on the bench.

-Our passing was disgraceful,azpi's near zero ability to cross with his weaker foot epitomises our embarrassing 'hoof and clear' tactics throughout the 90 mins.

-The fact that we had a towel ready at leicester's end every time we had a throw-in near their area,embodies EVERYTHING that's wrong with the team. £200 mil++++ worth of attacking talent on the pitch and we play bloody long throw-ins with a BLOODY TOWEL ready, while pretending drogba's leading the line. 99.9% it comes to nothing and we end up losing possession yet jose insists on this 'caveman' football tactic.

-Willian had a stinker.

-Matic had an even bigger stinker.

-Who coaches this team and is responsible to get them out of this rut?that's right. No two ways about it,after the amount of matches we've had,everything now lands firmly at the feet of the manager.

- Same squad,same players utilised,and what was most disheartening is the fact that we had a terrible first half and continued in the same vein for much in the second 45. That to me,personally,looks like a coach who's run out of ideas and doesn't know what to do with the team anymore. We didn't come out fighting,and really played like RELEGATION CANDIDATES. Now that is a HUGE cause for worry.

-Ivanovic oh ivanovic. Can't defend to save his life anymore,but can't put the ball in the back of the net from 3 yards either. Keep him in the team of course,that's the jose way.

Now I won't claim to know how exactly roman's mind works,but I would hazard a guess he'd be keenly observing how jose tries to bed in the younger players,given the fact that the seniors have let him down countless times already.

It's clear that he's creating reasons (I.e excuses) for not giving them a fair run and it's such a shame because I honestly believe that's one of the reasons roman has given him his undivided support.he wants to see what the gaffer does to develop at least one or two of these players and whether he will at least try to integrate them.if he somehow manages to get RLC/kenedy/traore to regularly displace the jaded seniors,he'd actually make a strong case for himself that he's indeed looking to build a dynasty.

Sadly, he obviously has a non-existent plan for anyone outside his circle of undeserved invincibles and that will count against him when roman takes everything into account to 'review' the manager's position. I don't even think we have a right to bash van gaal's tactics this season because if we had half the efficiency of their defense we would be much higher up the table,and at least he has the balls to drop underperformers and try their youngsters.

P.s: That bloody towel still gets on my nerves whenever I think about it.
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half a season and yet no improvement. my exact sentiment when i ask for mou's head.
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on anoter note, glad to see how happy ranieri was after the game. really hoping he can sustain leicester until end of the season. winning the league would be 'gila-babi' awesome for him and his team. a bunch of overachiever with great attitude and hunger to prove something! i wonder how good they will perform IF yohan cabaye went to leicester instead of crystal palace haha

their blue jersey nearly same tone with us.. just that we are 20 points behind them.

it would be historical for jose if he can win the CL and get the team relegated at the same time! rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Dec 15 2015, 10:41 AM)
He claimed we were playing with a number 10?really?on what planet does jose's favourite oscar qualify as a number 10 these days?if by number 10 he means a player who runs like a headless chicken and does nothing for most of the game then we have at least half a dozen number 10s in the team! laugh.gif


QUOTE(kucingmainan @ Dec 15 2015, 11:43 AM)
half a season and yet no improvement. my exact sentiment when i ask for mou's head.
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I think the catalyst for roman to ditch the 'nice guy' routine would be when the hardcore home support turns on him and judging by the away end's tune this morning,it won't be long until that happens.

Did you listen to his post-match interview?he now feels 'betrayed' by the players. He's literally gone full circle now,from blaming the board,to the physios,to the referees,to the FA,to the press,to the pitch,and now he's back pointing the finger at the squad.

I'm kind of on the fence about the whole situation,but one thing's for sure if roman gets the dusty(by his standards) axe out,I'll fully understand why. In fact I respect and i'm quite impressed by how patient he's been.

QUOTE(Alexdino @ Dec 15 2015, 10:51 AM)

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Overhyped and massively overpriced,don't want him. Oh and does he trackback like a headless chicken in defense?if he doesn't, in about 3 months Jose (if he's still the manager) will deem he's not good enough and we’ll end up selling him for 1/3 of his value.


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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Dec 11 2015, 05:02 PM)
Seriously Audebayang?laugh.gif epic failed. He sure sad u said him bayang2 laugh.gif
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Haha... I could only remember his name as such bayang2 biggrin.gif

We enter gua again this week. Should be kinda expected, with Leicester Vardy keep firing goals like no tomorrow, which make me lagi sad sad.gif

To be honest, we will be lucky to survive relegation battle if our recent form is anything to follow by. I think seriously there is dressing room problem, and Mou cannot simply bench senior players without repercussions.

And that loanee from monaco is useless, time to terminate him and give him a not-so-glory sendoff. Already off form at MU, yet we still get him on loan. This part I never understand hmm.gif

Bench Costa, play and start Remy more.

Buy 1 new striker in January window. Do not say no budget, no money to buy. Takkan want wait till masuk relegation 3 places bottom only consider splash money and tekan butang panik.
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QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Dec 15 2015, 01:08 PM)
He claimed we were playing with a number 10?really?on what planet does jose's favourite oscar qualify as a number 10 these days?if by number 10 he means a player who runs like a headless chicken and does nothing for most of the game then we have at least half a dozen number 10s in the team! laugh.gif
I think the catalyst for roman to ditch the 'nice guy' routine would be when the hardcore home support turns on him and judging by the away end's tune this morning,it won't be long until that happens.

Did you listen to his post-match interview?he now feels 'betrayed' by the players. He's literally gone full circle now,from blaming the board,to the physios,to the referees,to the FA,to the press,to the pitch,and now he's back pointing the finger at the squad.

I'm kind of on the fence about the whole situation,but one thing's for sure if roman gets the dusty(by his standards) axe out,I'll fully understand why. In fact I respect and i'm quite impressed by how patient he's been.
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well, he did say before how he prefer his No.10 to be like. more like a 9.5 or 8.5, if that even make any sense. need to be able to do everything from tracking back to attacking etc.

and in his defense, he said he felt that his work was betrayed. he planned for the match 4 days in advance and pinpointed Leicester's attacks, but our defenders still fell for it. He said before that he not angry if the team concede a goal, but if they are well drilled for it and still concede, then he is very disappointed.
http://www.espnfcasia.com/chelsea/story/27...ayed-by-chelsea

but either way, something has to change. mentality of the player or the manager, one will have to give way soon. I also would understand if Roman start swinging his axe.
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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Dec 15 2015, 10:51 AM)

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Hazard for Rodriguez? nope. if Oscar for Rodriguez then ok

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