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Hansel
post Mar 31 2017, 11:51 AM

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To make a long story short, if you buy in SG with an SG Account, you are earning the SGD. If you buy in AU, with an acct in AU, you are earning the AUD. Hence, things depend on which currency you wish TO EARN.

More or less amt from the proceeds should not matter,... After all, we will still need to convert to any currency that we wish to use later on. It may not necessarily be the MYR that we will convert into.

What if you need to use AUD later ?
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post Mar 31 2017, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 31 2017, 11:59 AM)
Then we use SGD to convert and transfer using Transferwise. (Note to self: open account with them).
With SGD, there's a chance that we can gain against AUD/USD/whatever currency you will need.

I cannot say the same for RM dry.gif  sad.gif
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Yes,... I use SGD for my livelihood expenses in many countries,..

Bro is smart,...... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Apr 1 2017, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 10:33 PM)
Serious boh? Zero sales charge and zero platform fee? Can it also include wrap account; meaning: Unlimited switches such as ten switches everyday will not kena charge a single cents wan....

Xuzen
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 1 2017, 08:08 AM)
Yup. If you choose FSM SG, you get 0% service charge + 0% switching fees + 0.4% platform fees. I think is cheaper than your wrap account?

If choose phillip 0% service charge + 0% switching fees + 0% platform fees. Ho boh? devil.gif
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Yes, Phillip Capital committed the above,...

AND : if you transfer yr unit trust hldgs to them, there will be a reward of $20.00 for every $10,000 worth transferred over. But there are some conditions, like reward is capped at a maximum $1,000, etc,...
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post Apr 1 2017, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 12:44 PM)
Good day to you good sister,

I will attempt to answer you question objectively. I shall use two examples. And for argument's sake I shall take TA GTF and RHB AIF. From friend Ramjade's words, TA GTF is the daughter of Henderson Global Tech fund denominated in SGD; whereas RHB AIF is the daughter fund of Schroder Asia Income fund. Both the mother funds are denominated in SGD.

A) Lets take case for RHB AIF.

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Lets say you participated SGD 1,000.00 into SAIF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,157.63, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,157.63 x 3.16704 = MYR 3,666.24

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 (eqv to SGD 1,000) into RHB AIF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 3,710.95

RHB AIF wins mother fund.

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B) Lets take the case for TA GTF

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Lets say you participated SGD 1,000.00 into HGTF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,453.65, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,453.65 x 3.16704 = MYR 4,603.77

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 (eqv to SGD 1,000.00) into TA GTF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 4,349.16

TA GTF loses to mother fund.

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What is the takeaway message here?

Forex is too unpredictable. Some daughter fund wins mother fund; other loses to mother fund.

The final say is that there is no room for generalization.

My personal take is, investing is already a risky business, hence do not take in more unnecessary risky. For example, if you are not a resident of S'pore, it makes no sense to buy an asset that is denominated in SGD because you are introducing another element of risk aka unpredictability into the equation.

Xuzen

p/s Data are obtained form Xe.com website for forex data, FSM MY for both RHB AIF & TA GTF, FSM SG for SAIF and HGTF.
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I noticed the following :-

1) RHB AIF 3 years annulized return is 12.66% p.a.
Schroder AIF 3 years annulized return is 5.00% p.a.

RHB's annualized return is two times more than Schroder's, then only will the RM-based fund wins.

2) TA GTF 3 years annualized return is 18.78% p.a.
Henderson GTF 3 years annualized return is 13.28% p.a.

TA's annualized return is 5.5% more than Henderson's, still overall, TA (the RM-based fund) loses out to Henderson.

One conclusion that can be extracted from here is with the help of currency appreciation, the mother fund does not simply need to perform better compared to the child fund in order to beat the feeder fund,.. ie currency strength helps !
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 2 2017, 09:53 AM)
Friend Hansel,

I read your bolded statement many times, but I still could not understand the meaning you are trying to conbvey. Can you please word it in kindergarden level English or not? Thanks.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2017, 10:13 AM)
I think he means the daughter fund have to outperform the mother fund by big margin then it will win in the long term.
However if the daughter outperform the mother fund by a small margin, the mother fund can still win provided the exchange rate is strong.

Also. I think indirectly it means we just need to find something which does not perform as good as malaysian counterpart and still can win which makes out life a lot easier as we don't need to select the highest return. We can be laid back and let the depreciation of ringgit do the work.
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In malaysia we need something like 10%
In singapore 7% returns should be sufficient to beat the malaysian fund with 10% returns. Of course if we can find something with 10% return in Singapore, its a different story.

Let's wait and see Hansel agree with my statement or not.
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Bros Xuzen and Ram,... yes, bro Ram is right,.. that was what I meant to say,.. hmm,.. my English is deteriorating ?? Appreciated yr helpfulness again, bro,...

Yeah,.. bro Ram,... come to think of it,.. yeah, to yr second para in reply to Xuzen,... if we wished to earn more RM, that's the way,.. but then, with more RM, can we buy more things and services in Msia ? Maybe...errm,.. can,..
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 2 2017, 09:07 PM)
if u willing to go all the hassle to invest in SG, why not go to US brokerage ETF?
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Opening accounts in and investing in SG is not because of or for the returns only,.. security of assets would also be another factor, as well as preservation of purchasing power.
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post Apr 3 2017, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 3 2017, 01:58 PM)
Agreed with these statements after reading that majority of rich indons (80%+) keep their money in SG blink.gif  shocking.gif
Big problem for Indon govt to get the money back. Also, where do you see priority banking in indon language? This shows how much indon makes up the pie of the SG banks.
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The Indon gov't under President WIdodo is now 'forcing' her people to bring their money back home to Indo with favourable tax incentives that will last for a certain time, after which, those who are 'stubborn' will be 'penalized' in some way,... I haven't read all the details,...

The Indon gov't is putting in tax incentives encouraging REITs to list in the JSE, and persuading REITs to shift back to the JSE.

Let's see how will our SG gov't fends off these challenges,...

Added : you guys can read the details of what I said in my first para above (bolded now),... the reports are in the news,...I'm just wondering here : will Kangkung Land gov't do the same to us in future, since they can see their Indon brothers doing this to their people ?

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 3 2017, 11:01 PM)
USD is more better than SGD
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Sorry,... can't really agree on this.
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post Apr 18 2017, 10:33 AM

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Use POEMS 2.0,... more graphics and more user-friendly,...
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post Aug 8 2017, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 7 2017, 10:44 PM)
tifosi, best contact Phillip because I remember methos of payment, maybank eps is on their list
No need. Both different companies. They are basically competitors. sweat.gif

Differences between them:
FSM charges you platform fees while Phillip doesn't charge you platform fees.

Just prepare all necessary documents (you can refer to my previous post). Fill up the forms, drop by any of their investor place. Their HQ is very easy to locate. City hall MRT station. Raffles city tower.

Yeah almost same. The popular ones which are available on FSM also got on Phillip . However funds like Ponzi 2, maybank asian bond fund (quite a good bond fund), certain SGD class fund Phillip doesn't sell (eg. schroder asian something the SGD version is not available on Phillip but available on FSM. But both have the USD version).

These are some examples. You may request for them to carry the fund you want. But whether they listen to you is another question. About a month back, told them to carry this schroder fund, until today, habuk pun tak ada. Told them FSM SG and Dollardex both have the SGD version. How come Phillip tak ada. Said we will look into it.
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Wahh,... bro, you are SG Investment Platform Consultant for us,... thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif

Okay,... watch for Cromwell IPO,... scan in Opera continuously,... that is where all IPO starts,... Now I am SG Corporate Actions consultant,... hehe,...
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post Aug 9 2017, 08:58 AM

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MAJULAH SINGAPURA !

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post Sep 21 2017, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Sep 21 2017, 09:49 AM)
FSM tools very useful..

i use PIMCO to balance off my other volatile stocks.
but i might add a HIGH YIELD Bond too later. see 1 yr later.. whats performance.

Schroder asian growth - yes
United japan small - yes still choosing between 2.

i am going for  EURO SMALL CAP. weekend homework to shortlist. between 3 funds.

my India i hv with FSM M'sia . not adding this unless i liquidate from FSM M'sia.
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What have you targetted for your HY Bond Fund ??
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post Sep 21 2017, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2017, 11:32 AM)
HY bond funds haven't been doing well. Just look at one year result. 4%+ at 6-7 volatility. Risk reward ratio is not there.

At 6-7 volatility, I can use a balanced fund to achieve higher returns.
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Which bond fund are you referring to ? Let me have a look,...

The ones that I am still holding-on to are still giving me the desired divdiend returns,... monthly dividends with no loss in nav,... perhaps what you are showing are Acc funds ? We are going after different targets ?
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post Sep 21 2017, 01:16 PM

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Tq,... how abt the two below ?

1) Fidelity Euro HY Bond FUnd AMDIST

2) Fidelity Asian HY Bond Fund AMDIST SGD
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post Sep 21 2017, 01:54 PM

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Okay bro,... tq for the charts, will study carefully later,... you are really pro, man,... can pullout charts so fast.

Need to do some work now,... and do my taxation asap.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2017, 01:46 PM)
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For  Fidelity Euro HY Bond FUnd AMDIST, again risk reward ratio is not there. At 7.31 and returns of only 12.57 %, Compare that to PineBridge Acorns of Asia Balanced Fund.

For Fidelity Asian HY AMDIST SGD Hedged, still cannot beat P fund.  tongue.gif

Of course this is one year but I believed this one year results speaks louder than 3 years as during the past 1 year, Feds have start tightening faster vs 3 years before.
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That Pinebridge got consistent monthly dvd payouts or not ??
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2017, 02:13 PM)
I told you dividends/distribution doesn't matter. Whether the fund got payout or not payout, not important to me.  biggrin.gif In case you have doubts,
If you keep harping about dividends/distribution of unit trust, some day you will get conned (like most folks in Malaysia gets conned by PM returns even though the real return is nothing to shout about). Basically they give you RM1 worth of units, and the price also drop by RM1.

I think you need another lesson from dasecret regarding distribution/dividends?
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 21 2017, 09:40 PM)
Don't want la, last time I tried explaining then he say I'm rude to him

Asian HY is not the way to go anymore la.... kan FSM already said that like last year. Sometimes we have to follow trend also la
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Okay,... tell me then,...what if I bought the following funds at the following prices and am still getting dividends today,... or wait,.. perhaps you guys are comparing me against the best funds out there,...

Surely, if yuo always compare me with the best performing funds out there,.. mine cannot win-lar,... you keep comparing me with that Pine fund,..

Bros, what,.. hang-on, I think dasecret is a young lady, sorry honey.... what I needed is cashflow,.. it's not accumulated capital gain over a longer period. So, it's not fair to compare me with the accumulation funds-mar,... isn't it ??
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I don't like your tone of voice,... your bullshit,.. go learn all your theories the hard way,... if you never made money money,... you can carry your theory with you till the grave and never get to invest big,...

Haha,... and I thought I'd like to target you to teach you everything abt investing overseas, opening accts, etc,...

Guessed I'll find someone else,...
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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 30 2017, 09:38 AM)
but this one still need go to maybank at SG to complete the application
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Actually,... he is right - if no need to travel down to expensive SG,.. it saves expenses,... with we being investors, we should know how to count this,... it depends on individuals too,... BUT for straightforward cost-expense calculation,... should not travel.

I'll use myself for eg,... I feel if I am not involved deeply inside SG, I feel less confident abt the happenings there. Hence, I attend their AGMs, EGMs, take their qualifications,... etc,... mingle with them.

Of course,... having the opportunity to do this is also important,.. time-privilege, etc,...

Many of my investor-pals in SG are complaining that they are not able to subscribe to Right issues over the ATMs when they are overseas,... there are very specific reasons for this why the SG gov't does not allow subscriptions over the net. So,.. sometimes if don't go also has its disadvantages.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 30 2017, 11:30 AM)
Siapa cakap? You only need to go down if you want to use the ATM card. If you don't need to use, there's no need to go down. Everything can be done online.

Activation of account (online using what they post to you)
Activation of security token (online using what they post you)

After you do this 2, all transactionsis now fully online.
Have you read xuzen reply to you?
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Don't harp on that issue,... don't be a sourpuss,.. I read a lot of things quickly,.. look, even if I invested wrongly, it's my money.... and I am not here to compete with you on who is best at the Unit Trust game,... AND I MADE MY MONEY,.. AND STILL I AM INVESTED IN THE SAME HIGH-YIELD BOND FUNDS WITH NO UNREALISIED CAPITAL LOSS NOW.

I think you must have been whacked too badly by some forummers here,.. and you are naive (perhaps foolish too) to take things so seriously,... so, you seemed to be focussing on this matter too much now. I saw among your posts that Xuzen and someone else whacked you hard, huh ?? Hehe,... whacking hard in a forum where nobody knows anybody personally is no big deal,...

When a wealthy man or a legal professional drags you to court in future and uses the law to torture you day and night,... then you'd commit suicide if yo can't forget this experience of someone whacking you hard IN A FORUM !!!!!!!!. biggrin.gif

Move-on in life,... you have a long way to go,... don't linger in the past,... go find a job if you have not have one yet,...

Stop lurking around around day and night in the forums here and there,... and answering here and there. Your effort is commendable,.. I say that too,... but you must earn a living too,.. your life is too engrossed in the virtual world,..

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