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post Nov 15 2015, 01:28 AM

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today i tried deadlifting... felt my knees instead of lowerback. Feels like squat..
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post Nov 15 2015, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(nivlanauk @ Nov 15 2015, 06:19 AM)
Probably because your hips are too low.
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But if i dont lower my hips and bend my knees, I cant reach the bar.
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post Nov 15 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Nov 15 2015, 01:59 PM)
That's why I never deadlift.
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You meant you have the same issues as me?
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post Nov 15 2015, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(axtray @ Nov 15 2015, 05:11 PM)
the first and last thing you should do is to listen to this guy. I'm a 6 footer (184 cm) and i can perform the conventional deadlift just fine.

watch layne norton's vid. he covered the 3 main exercises, deadlift, benchpress and squats. the reason you felt more on your knees could be due to your setup. record yourself deadlifting and post it here for the others to provide advice (who knows darklight might come in as well).
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Yeah I did watch his videos. He said different body types could have different postures to deadlifting but I followed his steps to setup. Still felt it more like knees area.

Next workout I will try using the smith machine to do squats.
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post Nov 15 2015, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Nov 15 2015, 07:27 PM)
try to avoid smith if possible. better to go free.

practice on a lower weight to get the movement correct. shoulder blades over bar, shins close to or touching the bar during grip, etc.
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yeah for deadlift. my shins are close to the bar. grip is just beside my shoulder width stance. thrust it up with hips and hamstring and not just lifting it up. yet it still feels on my knees.

Smith machine for squats is going to be my first squat with weights. As mentioned before, the olympic bar is too damn heavy for me to carry on free. so thats why i wanna try maybe 10kg on smith machine since squats is just vertical movement. it will prevent injuries.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 15 2015, 06:58 PM)
if form is ok then probably the weight is too light for you.

or the back is so much stronger than your legs
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hmm i am afraid to try heavier as not sure if form is right. scared injury haha
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post Nov 15 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 15 2015, 07:55 PM)
the gym don't have the shorter bar which weight 15 kg?
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tak ada bro. the shorter bar cannot use the thing to hang.. cause too short.
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post Nov 15 2015, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Nov 15 2015, 10:39 PM)
Well deadlift uses similar muscles for the lift.so maybe you're just not feeling it yet smile.gif when you go heavy then you'll feel the other muscles kick in. Ask some people to record you doing the lift. Then can review.

Olympic bar is 20kg. But you have better form to support. For smith. Its like a leaning back kinda position. So if possible, once you get comfy with the squat and can do 20kg. Switch to the free weight squat. But that's only imho.
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yeah.. maybe i try the smith tmr for squats. and try deadlift again for free weights. people watching me do also never try to comment or help if I was doing it wrong. LOL

if i was a veteran lifter.. and if i see a newbie doing it wrong will go correct him/her
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QUOTE(Amedion @ Nov 15 2015, 11:33 PM)
If you can't squat with the olympic bar.. Then do bodyweight squat or use light dumbbells..

Its not a proper squat on smith machine..
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i tried using the goblet. but i figured it might be easier to let the weight hang on top of my shoulders.
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post Nov 16 2015, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Nov 16 2015, 12:27 AM)
Jangan la smith. Use those 10kg bars ka 15kg bars ka that ppl use to curl for squat. Smith is just not the same as barbell squat.

A friend just tried today. There is no good carry over from smith to bb squat.
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but there is no place to rack the barbells safely. like an area to squat and rack. we do have barbells with 10kg and 15kg.
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post Nov 16 2015, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Nov 16 2015, 01:18 AM)
10 15kg wont crush u to death if thats what u mean.
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I am saying that due to being new to this. I am afraid if my legs or hips give way. and if I lose balance, there is no safety bars or place to rack the barbells. hmm..
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post Nov 16 2015, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Steven_aka_G @ Nov 16 2015, 08:25 AM)
Perhaps your knees are too far forward? Take a video and show us.
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i will try. cause i work out alone.....lowyat forum can post videos ka? I dont know how lol.

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post Nov 16 2015, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Nov 16 2015, 09:13 AM)
No offense bro but i still find it hard to believe that you can't even squat the olympic bar.. maybe u dunno how to squat properly. Drop your ego and do bodyweight squat.. Avoid smith machine at all cost!
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its not that I cannot squat with olympic bar. I never tried it yet. Cause last week I tried using free weights olympic bar for bench press and I could barely lift up the bar. lol. I do bodyweight squats about 15 reps for 4 sets about 2 times a week.

I mentioned and thought of using smith machine cause I saw one member who used smith machine that normally people use for bench press. He used it for squats with weights. So then I thought to myself, Oh you can use it that way too.

Then I thought it is safer as well still I can *hook* the weights back anytime at any position.
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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Nov 16 2015, 09:01 AM)
What I mean is that 10 15kg wont crush you. Drop those weights backward if you really cant make it.
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yeah i will try tonight. the free weights olympic bar only with no weights.
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post Nov 16 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Nov 16 2015, 09:14 AM)
1. Place dumbbell on the floor. Set your phone against it so you can record yourself.
2. Upload video to YouTube and post link here.
3. ?????
4. Get your form check by experienced lifters here. PROFIT!!!
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Okay bro. will try it tonight. Hope its not too packed. Monday is chest day and they be benching and queuing like mad LOL
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QUOTE(panda-man @ Nov 16 2015, 09:19 AM)
if you can perform a vertical jump and land without breaking anything, im sure legs can handle 20kg squat. but start with bodyweight squat to get the form.

does your gym have a squat rack? that provides some safety measures. or if you see one of the PT's just ask them to help spot you and check your form. of course try find those that actually squat. then ask him/her for deadlift help too while you are at it.  whistling.gif
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I will try oylmpic bar only tonight to see if I can take the extra weights.

and no we dont have a squat rack. normally I go gym about 9pm and PT and staff members are all off duty and went back.

I think I will record or try to ask someone tonight.
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post Nov 16 2015, 09:34 AM

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by the way, yesterday I felt the deadlift soreness. Not sure if it sore where it should be, my butt cheeks and my back is sore.
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QUOTE(panda-man @ Nov 16 2015, 09:55 AM)
wut, no squat rack, then maybe no choice but to use the dreaded smith. what gym is it?
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anytime fitness. hahaha so using smith is safer?
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post Nov 16 2015, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Nov 16 2015, 10:19 AM)
anytime fitness DP is it? i walked in and then walked out because no squat rack... the one at solaris is pretty good tough. i dont squat that heavy, but i still need the rack hahah.

imho, the smith isnt safer because:
1. weird leaning backwards type of posture. chance of slipping.
2. once the weight is heavy, gotta lift it up off the rack, then twist it to make sure hooks arent gonna catch.
3. chance of hooks catching/knocking the rack.

but some people love the smith. i tried few times, but cant get a comfortable squat or even bench press.
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hmm. then I think I will try the free weights today. 20kgs on my shoulders should be fine. Place the weights on the traps right?then support with two hands without lifting it.

Hopefully the free weights barbell area is less crowded.. then again.. its chest day monday LOL
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QUOTE(panda-man @ Nov 16 2015, 10:53 AM)
yeah bar should rest on the traps. it will hurt at first. so some people put a towel. but i stopped doing that and after several sessions. now no pain from the bar.
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I think they have this black foam thing that I can use to ease the pain. Will go check out again. Maybe it was the member's personal item that he carries to gym.

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