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 Looking for SCIENCE degree holders, To innovate on a water product together

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post Oct 15 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 15 2015, 03:13 PM)
Wah seem like you have done quite some research. I admired your passion on it.

Which mean these companies like cactus were deceiving people? ohmy.gif

But then shall be clean otherwise, already have people erm kena already right? And they might ended up kena sue kan? hmm.gif
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No, they are not deceiving. Full disclosure available on the label. smile.gif

Yeah, should be clean, but who knows, depends on the quality control. You can check out consumer studies on US brands. Not that clean doesn't mean you will kena diarrhoea also. I would take them without worry, but not for long term.
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post Oct 15 2015, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 15 2015, 04:03 PM)
thank you so much. Then the boiled tap water shall be sufficient for me from now. tongue.gif In future, if your plan worked , i may consider to buy from you a water filter system. Currently renting a room, so no need for that yet tongue.gif

Once again, Good luck and all the best smile.gif
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At least consider using something in the RM140 - RM400 range here as a pre-filter before you boil. smile.gif

http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/kitch...filtration.html
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post Oct 15 2015, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 15 2015, 04:17 PM)
Haha panasonic. Pretty good brand, but not sure about their water filter's quality. Since it's from you, must be good then. I will ask my housemate and see whether they want to pool fund to buy or not haha.

Thank you for your recommendation. XD
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Of course, you're welcome biggrin.gif
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post Oct 16 2015, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Oct 16 2015, 02:28 PM)
Just another profit-motivated endeavor.

Anything that is profit-motivated will always have limitations to how much good they can offer to others.
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What a skewed logic.

Well, to your credit, it is indeed logical that a particular benefit and its potential would be limited by the cost and profit viability, under the for-profit model.

I am not a non-profit organization, and even then such organizations depend on private funding and grants.

Simple example: try asking your dentist to charge you for materials + rental cost (excluding time and profit), as you're out of cash that month.
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post Oct 16 2015, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 16 2015, 02:43 PM)
don't bother with that retard........

he has issues......just check out his post history
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Thanks for the heads up!

QUOTE(Love & Money @ Oct 16 2015, 02:47 PM)
My logic is not skewed just because it is not to your personal liking. Don't worry about me. I know too well about the water industry to stay away from some startup company.
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It is skewed because it is as an extension of your personal liking while disregarding the diverse reality of the world; to which I have provided a rebuttal.

If you are an expert on the water industry as you so claim, it means that you can see a major technical flaw/failure in my idea; please highlight.

Also, in line with your implied benevolence in your previous post, why don't you do a proper critique and contribute towards my vision of making home-based water filtration even more affordable with better quality water?

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post Oct 16 2015, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Oct 16 2015, 03:02 PM)
When you accuse my previous work as false info without even knowing the truth, you bet I am offended already.
If I were to say your plan is a false info, I can bet you would dislike it too. And here you're thinking only your work is good while others' work is false info. Your plan to make good quality water affordable to everyone is already done by others for a long time already. And if you wonder just why you and many others don't know about this is probably because of the very similar reasons why you and others don't know/distrust the natural approaches to curing cancer vs chemo/radio/surgery and some others ala-Malaysian mentality/bias.
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I have not even presented my full idea (for competitive reasons). I have only shared my values and principles to attract like-minded people.

Some forumers have already contacted me because they feel good about this principles-based approach.

These are people who hold science degrees from reputable institutions, and I hold them with high regard and respect.

I am pretty sure that if I stray from such principles I have pitched, they would be the first to leave this endeavour.

Additionally, some of the other forumers here directly criticized my objectives without knowing what I am doing. However, I value their thoughts, and have provided an equally thoughtful reply, in return for their time.

Obviously you have nothing to share, except for substandard arguments. Until that changes, I shall not be replying you further, in business it's called a waste of time.

Your track record shows it; after the heads up from fellow forumer slimey, I just checked out your thread on Ebola, completely misleading reporting.

If you wish to discuss things further, we can do it via PM.

Bye.
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post Oct 16 2015, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(poteryu @ Oct 16 2015, 03:02 PM)
final year student in electronic engineering degree.
pm me.

your pitch looks interesting, me myself has been boiling water for 4 years since i started foundation, as no housemate wanna share cost of expansive water purifier.

wish to see this product of yours to happen.
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Thanks for the well-wishes. PM-ing you soon.
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post Oct 16 2015, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 16 2015, 03:00 PM)
anyway to tagz8

i guess you already know the basics already.......
but i don't know what you are actually trying to make or achieve.....lack of goal or direction.

so here's my suggestion :
so far i haven't see any product that markets itself producing tasty drinking water by altering the mineral composition of the water.

the relationship between different types of minerals and the affect on taste is rather complicated.

not an easy task to do i guess.
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Thanks for your comment slimey.

What you've mentioned comes close to what I plan to undertake, one of the key components. smile.gif

Yes, apologies on the lack of clarity, did that intentionally in order to preserve competitiveness.


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post Oct 16 2015, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Oct 16 2015, 03:38 PM)
Edit:
I have threads on vaccines too, if you care to check this too. I agree my thread on vaccines are far more credible than the one about Ebola.
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It's alright, I had better follow the vaccination recommendations of the likes of Massachusetts General Hospital (Harvard Medical School), Boston Children's Hospital, and other advanced countries with top notch healthcare systems like Singapore, Netherlands, Switzerland, etc..
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post Oct 16 2015, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Love & Money @ Oct 16 2015, 04:04 PM)
Be my guest. You can take all the vaccines you ever like, I am not bothered a bit. Initially when I started the thread on vaccines I was with the intention to help innocent people from falling into the trap of committing to harmful vaccines.
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Right now your recommendations are directly in contrast with the positions of countries with top notch healthcare systems.

If you are knowledgeable as claimed, you should obtain a response and debate from the relevant people in charge of such vaccination programmes in prominent institutions such as Harvard Medical, or even professors in academia. If they reply with obviously incorrect position statements, then go ahead, educate us on how wrong these head of research/director of medical programmes are. That will make a great impact.

Till then, I'll be pleased to follow their recommendations.
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post Oct 16 2015, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(springfall @ Oct 16 2015, 04:24 PM)
tagz8

after reading your 1st post,
you have already silenced 4 users (3 right after 1st post and 1 on the 1st 2nd page) "please be polite smile.gif"

that in my opinion, will not make you look nice for future partners/team.

I cannot imagine if anything were to went a bit bad, or how you would apply your dominance over your partners/team
-this especially when majority people you are looking for are final year graduates/freshies

'Not looking stupid is among the first few rules in my playbook'
silencing them will not allow the remaining sane /k people to judge who was right or wrong.
(what have they posted that was deemed Ill-mannered to you?)
But directly paints a picture that you are not tolerant and will shut down others.

This will further put the freshies in a vulnerable spot since no funding is mentioned other than pooling money.
-if they have just recently graduated, chances are they are repaying the tuition fees or just starting up.
with the level of tolerance showned, how secure are they going to be? (esp with this current financial situation)

I know many my age who went all out to later be kicked out when the ball starts rolling.

Its up to you how you view this (what i've said) anyways.
you can opt to silence me too. Your call.
Other than that, we are heading towards being a developed nation, why are we still thinking small scale water filtration system for those who can only buy.

Isn't clean ready to drink water supposed/should to be available to all people, where
-we don't need to apply another set of filters/equipment to drink?

If your product is truly great (and cheaper than others), why don't you propose to our main state water maker to collaborate
in making free safe drinking water for all Malaysians, piped directly?

of course when done so, some will still be skeptical towards how clean it is
(like how brita have a market)
but, in the bigger picture, you would help much more people.

or you think we all should forever just buy filters after filters?

Just throwing some ideas out, you can anytime trash me and delete this if you want.
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I'll reply you later, as I haven't read your post fully, but felt that I need to quickly clarify the first part.

For those particular comments that I had to remove, rest assured they were truly distateful things like 'close shop lah' - just a three word post meant to troll/harrass. This forum has a clear policy against such behavior too, with a report button in place for that.

If you took notice, those that provided a negative comment/viewpoint or offered something constructive just like yours, I have not deleted them, in fact I took time to reply, even thanked them for their input. Hope this clarifies matters. smile.gif

This post has been edited by tagz8: Oct 18 2015, 12:41 PM
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post Oct 18 2015, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(springfall @ Oct 16 2015, 04:24 PM)
tagz8

This will further put the freshies in a vulnerable spot since no funding is mentioned other than pooling money.
-if they have just recently graduated, chances are they are repaying the tuition fees or just starting up.
with the level of tolerance showned, how secure are they going to be? (esp with this current financial situation)

I know many my age who went all out to later be kicked out when the ball starts rolling.

Other than that, we are heading towards being a developed nation, why are we still thinking small scale water filtration system for those who can only buy.

Isn't clean ready to drink water supposed/should to be available to all people, where
-we don't need to apply another set of filters/equipment to drink?

If your product is truly great (and cheaper than others), why don't you propose to our main state water maker to collaborate
in making free safe drinking water for all Malaysians, piped directly?

of course when done so, some will still be skeptical towards how clean it is
(like how brita have a market)
but, in the bigger picture, you would help much more people.

or you think we all should forever just buy filters after filters?

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Trust that I have adequately addressed your concerns about tolerance in a previous reply? smile.gif

Also, here's my replies to each parts of your comments:

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This will further put the freshies in a vulnerable spot since no funding is mentioned other than pooling money.
if they have just recently graduated, chances are they are repaying the tuition fees or just starting up.
with the level of tolerance showned, how secure are they going to be? (esp with this current financial situation)
I know many my age who went all out to later be kicked out when the ball starts rolling.


Believe the issue of tolerance has already been cleared in an earlier post.

Also, if the fresh grad has no money to contribute, other members of the group can contribute more. This does not dilute the importance of that particular fresh grad, as he/she is still part of core brain of the whole endeavour. Also, beyond that it is all about personal character and ethics, one should be comfortable with the behaviour of his/her team mates, so I would encourage a meet up before committing oneself to the endeavour.

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Other than that, we are heading towards being a developed nation, why are we still thinking small scale water filtration system for those who can only buy.

Isn't clean ready to drink water supposed/should to be available to all people, where
-we don't need to apply another set of filters/equipment to drink?

If your product is truly great (and cheaper than others), why don't you propose to our main state water maker to collaborate
in making free safe drinking water for all Malaysians, piped directly?

of course when done so, some will still be skeptical towards how clean it is
(like how brita have a market)
but, in the bigger picture, you would help much more people.

or you think we all should forever just buy filters after filters?


I believe we should tackle the problems step by step. Currently, there exist pressing needs and market demand for home-based water filtration systems in various parts of Malaysia, including in urban Kuala Lumpur. We could argue about this need being phased out in the future, but business is about looking at present needs too. Going forward, that landscape would change and that is where the importance of R&D and innovation comes into play, in order for a company to stay abreast with times.

And to your hypothetical collaboration with the state water producer, why don't they do a complete overhaul of the aging and leaking underground piping system instead of constantly attempting to repair a growing dead-end problem? Maybe get some funding from a China SOE with an acceptable ROI to them?

We do not live in Utopia, and that's where ideas flourish to solve problems in the meantime.
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post Oct 23 2015, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 22 2015, 09:35 PM)
Free Bump for your thread wink.gif

Anyway, really thank you for the recommendation ^^
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You're welcome. By the way, you still have to boil the water smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2015, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 09:23 AM)
hehe..i know i know  tongue.gif
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Don't use the plastic kettle.. Use an electric stainless steel kettle biggrin.gif
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post Oct 23 2015, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 10:49 AM)
how you know i am using plastic kettle? blink.gif
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心灵相通? Haha.

Just guessed, it's very common anyway due to it being cheap and convenient.
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post Oct 23 2015, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 10:57 AM)
but then my thought is, since they used plastic and the plastic able to re-stand high temperature, so shall be okay right? unsure.gif
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Never know what they may be leaching into the water.

Anyway, I have not looked into this matter. Very good idea you gave me. Will search more over the weekend and give you a proper reply.
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post Oct 24 2015, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 11:11 AM)
yea, you are right somehow.

Eh, erm ok. You are welcome then tongue.gif I myself will also search and see, since i never actually think about this.
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I'll admit I didn't have much time to do a thorough research on that.

But pulling ideas out of my mind, what I can think of as one of the safest (idealistic):

Using an induction cooker (portable/non portable), and an induction friendly stainless steel pot

The reason for this is to avoid potential nickel contamination from nickel coated heating coils in your regular stainless steel electric kettles. Unless you can verify with the manufacturer on whether it is nickel free or what measures they employ to mitigate such risk.

Another even more idealistic way, is to use an induction cooker with an intermediate heat transfer disc and use a heat-resistant glass like pyrex to contain the water.

Someone may find a more convenient way for the above, but I believe it's highly convenient already, and very likely even faster than using electric/gas.

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Oct 24 2015, 08:03 PM)
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TLDR

Doctor not interested. Kthxbye
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Ok, thanks for taking the trouble to comment anyway.
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post Oct 24 2015, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(popice2u @ Oct 24 2015, 08:34 PM)
another ecpi coming?
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What're your comments on that brand?
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post Oct 26 2015, 03:25 PM

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To update, a pharmaceutical chemistry graduate is now on board.

We're now onto developing a conceptual model based on the health sciences.

Targeted date to conceptualization is about 2 months.

Once we have developed this model, will be consulting an electrical engineering graduate on technical feasibility.


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