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 [Definitive] Xbox 360 Talk V6, Ace Combat 6 & Devil May Cry 4...on 360.

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post Dec 18 2006, 10:12 AM

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Wow thats a sweet looking device there. How much was it?

So this will also essentially help me in my lack of component input problem right?
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(hikaru_x @ Dec 18 2006, 10:12 AM)
string... does that joytech thingy upscale composite/s-video inputs to the component out? or is it just pass-thru?
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No upscaling is done, it's merely a nice looking switcher.

QUOTE(zio @ Dec 18 2006, 10:12 AM)
Wow thats a sweet looking device there. How much was it?

So this will also essentially help me in my lack of component input problem right?
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Yes it will solve all your problems. I've got one interested already, and im going back to Melbourne next week.

On another note, KING KONG IS REFERENCE. Every single scene is fcuking reference, Microsoft is genius for bundling this together with the HD-DVD drive in the US, it practically will convert any non-believers into one. U-Control is bloody brilliant as well. Think of it as your encyclopedia, your special features, but while you are watching the feature film! You got picture-in-picture, art galleries, and behind-the-scenes, all in PiP, and both in 1080p! Absolutely awesome, now i know what the guys at AVSForum is talking and raving about.

I dont have to mention how good Kong looks, every little strand of hair, in complete detail, every blade of grass, in true green, thanks to the vivid colors of COmponent.

Ejecting King Kong now, putting in Tokyo Drift.

For those with the HD-DVD drive, DO NOT ENABLE U-CONTROL at the menu. Enable it only within the movie, or the movie will spit you out to the Dashboard. Microsoft had enabled it during the small update you had to download when you first setup your drive, but it is enabled within the movie. You will know when you have enabled U-Control when you see the "U" icon at bottom right of your screen. This will change from a "U" to a nicely animated "Art Gallery" or "Picture-in-Picture" when the movie comes to scenes which had background info related to it. Press "Enter" and instant U-Control PIP for the trivias and extra features. Bloody brilliant! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:10 AM

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Ermm...so how much is that fancy looking switcher? I saw online and it is around RM500?
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:29 AM

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post Dec 18 2006, 11:42 AM

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Nice switcher... but Component only... aih. String how much is it?

alkt, if I remember correctly the HD-DVD player itself is region-free. The region implementation in done on the 360 itself.
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ok tq boss but i blew the cash on an amp already.

btw how the hell can i get sound from my pc thru the amp la? i'm using m-audio revolution 7.1 soundcard. for xbox360 and ps3 i pakai optical already so no prob. only left is the pc. :confused:
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(zio @ Dec 18 2006, 11:10 AM)
Ermm...so how much is that fancy looking switcher? I saw online and it is around RM500?
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AUD155, which is roughly that anyway.

QUOTE(alkt @ Dec 18 2006, 11:29 AM)
String,
time to upgrade ur speakers biggrin.gif
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NO cant do, space tak ada.

OH MY GOD! If you think King Kong's U-Control is awesome, Tokyo Drift's is God Almighty! I know i've been know to hype things up, but hear me out on this.

Okay, okay, Tokyo Drift has the normal stuff like behind the scenes, the making, production gallery, storyboards and PiP all that stuff doing it, but the two other extra features TOTALY BLOWS EVERYTHING out of the water! They are "Tech Specs" and "GPS Navigation".

Some scenes even comes with multiple features, like the Tokyo city chase scene, the U-Control's practically bursting with all 5 features, "Storyboard", "Tech Specs", "GPS", Production Gallery" and "Behind the Scenes". Let me explain the two more interesting features. "Tech Specs" basically does what it says, it specs all the stuff in that particular scene according to what is going on. For example, the very first scene in the movie that has "Tech Specs" is the drift rac e inside the parking lot. What Tech Specs does is, tally and calculate the ACTUAL DAMAGE costs to the car everytime Sean crashes that "Mona Lisa" around the car park. Each time the crash happens, a detailed cost card pops out with damage details to the hood, the bumpers, engines, doors, side mirrors, spoilers,....EVERYTHING! Once the scene ends, Tech Specs then totals things up for the final damage. This is like playing the Crash RAce version of Burnout, only this time, it happens within the movie, and the the graphics are not only real time, but REAL LIFE! We all know how movie industry is fighting head to head with videogames in terms of innovation and revenues, this time guys,......the movie industry fights back! Videogames becoming like movies, and movies incorporating videogames features!

GPS! GPS! GPS! Holy $hit is what came out of my mouth when i turned this on during the Tokyo city chase scene. The movie TRACKS EACH OF the 4 cars in the chase, with an on-screen GPS device, from start to finish! How is that for interactivity! Hell yeah, Tokyo Drift is THE title to get if you wanna feel what U-Control is.

Even the behind the scenes PiPs are longers and more impromptu and spontaneous in this movie. Very very personal and intimate. Hell, i dare say, Tokyo Drift is my favourite HD title so far, on all the Bluray and HD-DVD titles i have now, even though the screen details arent as eye-bulging as King Kong on HD-DVD or Kingdom of Heaven on Bluray.

Later guys, im gonna go play that GPS and Tech Specs scenes again!
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:52 AM

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use the 5.1 out from ur soundcard to plug in analog in from ur amp?

that's the part where u will use ur mrevo to decode the sound instead of the amp, which only do the amplification.
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:53 AM

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I think any other type of switchers like HDMI or DVI or PC inputs, can get via KVM-like devices. So far, i have no need for such things, since i still have one more HDMI port left, and all my other consoles already plugged in. If i do get a standalone Bluray/HD-DVD player, it shall use that one single port left. Then im settled for good in HD. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:55 AM

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shall name u the HDWhore for real.

sigh, me still on 720p ;( and stereo-upmixed-prologic sad.gif
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:57 AM

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Another thing to add for all you car freaks out there.....

Tech Specs feature in the U-Control give you all the techinical details of ALL the cars used in Tokyo Drift. From year of production, manufacturer, modification specs, the whole works. All from the press of a button, once U-Control is enabled. Interested yet? biggrin.gif
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post Dec 18 2006, 11:59 AM

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anyone start the MO hehehehe?

string, how much is the final cost including all in, buying the HDDVD?
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QUOTE(Maniac @ Dec 18 2006, 11:59 AM)
anyone start the MO hehehehe?

string, how much is the final cost including all in, buying the HDDVD?
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U mean the drive or the HD-DVD titles?

Xbox 360 HD DVD Player (Japanese)
US$ 199.90 (~714.25 MYR) US$ 199.90 (~714.25 MYR)
Sum US$ 199.90 (~714.25 MYR)
Shipping US$ 24.60 (~87.90 MYR)

Total US$ 224.50 (~802.15 MYR)

That's from my Play-Asia account. I chose their fastest shipping option possible.

LOL, i just finished watching the last race down the mountain, when DK's car is destroyed, the damage quotation was displayed as "TOTALED" laugh.gif And the damage costing came out right next to the car when DK crashed down the mountain while Sean drove to victory. Damn funny, i LOLed! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 18 2006, 11:50 AM)
AUD155, which is roughly that anyway.
NO cant do, space tak ada.

OH MY GOD! If you think King Kong's U-Control is awesome, Tokyo Drift's is God Almighty! I know i've been know to hype things up, but hear me out on this.

Okay, okay, Tokyo Drift has the normal stuff like behind the scenes, the making, production gallery, storyboards and PiP all that stuff doing it, but the two other extra features TOTALY BLOWS EVERYTHING out of the water! They are "Tech Specs" and "GPS Navigation".

Some scenes even comes with multiple features, like the Tokyo city chase scene, the U-Control's practically bursting with all 5 features, "Storyboard", "Tech Specs", "GPS", Production Gallery" and "Behind the Scenes". Let me explain the two more interesting features. "Tech Specs" basically does what it says, it specs all the stuff in that particular scene according to what is going on. For example, the very first scene in the movie that has "Tech Specs" is the drift rac e inside the parking lot. What Tech Specs does is, tally and calculate the ACTUAL DAMAGE costs to the car everytime Sean crashes that "Mona Lisa" around the car park. Each time the crash happens, a detailed cost card pops out with damage details to the hood, the bumpers, engines, doors, side mirrors, spoilers,....EVERYTHING! Once the scene ends, Tech Specs then totals things up for the final damage. This is like playing the Crash RAce version of Burnout, only this time, it happens within the movie, and the the graphics are not only real time, but REAL LIFE! We all know how movie industry is fighting head to head with videogames in terms of innovation and revenues, this time guys,......the movie industry fights back! Videogames becoming like movies, and movies incorporating videogames features!

GPS! GPS! GPS! Holy $hit is what came out of my mouth when i turned this on during the Tokyo city chase scene. The movie TRACKS EACH OF the 4 cars in the chase, with an on-screen GPS device, from start to finish! How is that for interactivity! Hell yeah, Tokyo Drift is THE title to get if you wanna feel what U-Control is.

Even the behind the scenes PiPs are longers and more impromptu and spontaneous in this movie. Very very personal and intimate. Hell, i dare say, Tokyo Drift is my favourite HD title so far, on all the Bluray and HD-DVD titles i have now, even though the screen details arent as eye-bulging as King Kong on HD-DVD or Kingdom of Heaven on Bluray.

Later guys, im gonna go play that GPS and Tech Specs scenes again!
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Hey string, its all the crash info and GPS info pre calculated since the movie is pretty much fixed? Its just basically layering more metadata over the movie watching experience, not some real time calculation like a game. Anyhow more interactivity in a movie is better than none.

This post has been edited by CerebralRogue: Dec 18 2006, 12:07 PM
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post Dec 18 2006, 12:10 PM

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i believe those are precalculated lah, no point real time calculating, its prerecorded movie wud.

thx strong, so in other words, to start with i need around RM 802.15 to start with, Japs version? I am on Asia console, can use also right?
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post Dec 18 2006, 12:14 PM

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The Jap HDDVD player is not region locked. But you will need to buy Region 3 DVDs because the DVDs you can play depends on your console.
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post Dec 18 2006, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(CerebralRogue @ Dec 18 2006, 12:07 PM)
Hey string, its all the crash info and GPS info pre calculated since the movie is pretty much fixed? Its just basically layering more metadata over the movie watching experience, not some real time calculation like a game. Anyhow more interactivity in a movie is better than none.
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Yup, precalculated, but i have yet seen any other efforts from other movie studios to go this deep with getting the viewer interested with damage calculations! laugh.gif

QUOTE(Maniac @ Dec 18 2006, 12:10 PM)
i believe those are precalculated lah, no point real time calculating, its prerecorded movie wud.

thx strong, so in other words, to start with i need around RM 802.15 to start with, Japs version? I am on Asia console, can use also right?
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Yup, will work fine AT THIS TIME. Bear in mind, your DVD region is still locked to the region of your 360, so even though your HD-DVD drive is from Japan, it will only play your region Asian DVDs. This however is not the case for HD-DVD/DVD combo discs, it will play fine on the the HD-DVD drive regardless of region. This might chance once the MPAA consortium pushes for region coding later next year.

More info on the U-Controls on Tokyo Drift:-

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/feature_ucontrolupclose.html

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Critiquing "U-Control" on Tokyo Drift
by Travis Michael, September 27, 2006

I think most of us will agree that Tokyo Drift is a reference quality disc in all aspects including picture, sound, and extras. And since it's the first title released with the U-Control feature, I wanted to share my thoughts and comments on this particular feature. I watched the movie the first time with no added features turned on since I hadn't seen the movie before. Then tonight after work, I turned on the U-Control feature and plowed through the movie again.

Here are my thoughts and comments:

1) Picture in Picture. Definitely a step beyond the traditional audio commentary. It's pretty awesome to watch a PIP of behind the scenes material and interviews that is directed towards specific parts of the movie while you are watching them (though sometimes they did go off on tangents). I found myself much more able to sit through a second viewing of a movie with the PIP extras rather than just an audio commentary (which is also included on this title, by the way). On the other hand, I wish the PIP feature had a few more options such as adjusting the size and position of the PIP screen itself (it's fairly small in the lower right corner). Also, it would be cool if you could flip the PIP with the actual movie so that the movie itself is in the PIP and the extras are on the larger screen.

2) Storyboards and Production Photos. Pretty self-explanatory - they overlay on the screen during certain segments of the movie. I'm not highly interested in these, but I know some people like them. The only problem I see is that you have to repetitively go to the button on the U-Control to turn it on. There doesn't seem to be a way to just leave it on for the whole movie. The option will appear when storyboards or photos are available and it will turn itself off when there aren't any more to display for a particular scene. So every time one pops up, you have to scroll back down and turn it back on. It would be nicer to just click it once so that all of the storyboards and/or photos display through the whole movie automatically.

3) GPS. This is a pretty unique feature but also somewhat gimmicky. During the one big race a little over half way through the movie, this option will appear and you can see the cars as dots on a map to see their location. The only problem is that the cars pretty much stay all together anyway, so there's really no point in having a GPS other than seeing where they are in relation to the city streets. Still, I can see this TYPE of feature having some great potential for the format.

4) Insurance/Damage Calculator. Another somewhat gimmicky feature, this will show an overlay with damage amounts when the cars are being damaged during specific scenes. It gives you a little chuckle to see the damages rack up when the cars get hit, but again it isn't a substantial add to the extras. But stuff like this is very welcomed and could be taken much further with success, I'm sure.

5) Tech Stats. This one shows an overlay with description information about the cars themselves when they appear in the movie. It shows the make, model, and some other figures like time from 0-60, etc. I found this to be pretty cool, especially for someone like me who doesn't know one car from the other.

NOTE: The PIP display can be left on for the entire feature, but the rest of the U-Control features mentioned above are mutually exclusive - meaning, you can only have one on at a time AND you must turn them on repetitively at different points in the movie. So while you are watching the movie with PIP turned on, other buttons will appear (like the tech stats, etc). So you scroll down and turn it on, but sometimes you have to rewind a bit if you aren't fast enough turning the button on. And there are times when multiple buttons will appear, in which case you'll have to skip back to watch both features, one at a time. This works reasonably well, aside from the pain of turning each feature on over and over (even if all you wanted to watch throughout was the storyboards).

The PIP feature is the meat and potatoes of the U-Control and it's really cool. I would like to see this feature become as standard on HD-DVD as the director's commentaries are on SD-DVD's.

Finally, I should mention that the U-Control is only a fraction of what is available in the extras department on this disc. There's a pretty neat (but again gimmicky) feature when you can change the paint job / tires of a car in a particular scene. There's the standard audio commentary, music videos, and multiple featurettes about drifting.


HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Bring on more interactive extras!
More indepth details on the review of Tokyo Drift on HD-DVD:-

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/fastandthef...tokyodrift.html

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Now, here is where 'The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift' sets itself apart from all next-gen releases that have come before (and that includes you, too, Blu-ray). In a bid for high-def supremacy, Universal is seeking to expand the boundaries of the "In-Movie Experience" we're already familiar with. Though technically "interactive," IME is really just a pre-edited video commentary with two modes -- on or off -- and the few titles so far that have included the feature (such as 'The Bourne Supremacy,' 'Constantine' and 'Terminator 3') don't really let you "customize" the experience in any appreciable way. But 'Tokyo Drift' attempts to change all that, bringing true on-the-fly, user-controlled supplements to a pre-recorded video format.

Which makes my job as a reviewer now next to impossible. I'm not sure exactly how to "review" an experience that, for the first time on an optical disc format, does not exist in the linear sense. Unlike an audio commentary, or a featurette, or a bunch of deleted scenes, there is not necessarily a "start" and "stop" time to these extras. No beginning, middle and end. It is almost like a new paradigm shift in how we consume supplemental material, or, to make a bad analogy, like customizing a hot rod to your own tastes, then driving it around the track of your choosing. Weird, I know. But once you get the hang of it, rather tantalizing.

Let me try to explain the technobabble side of things. For 'Tokyo Drift,' Universal has utilized the HD DVD's format's enhanced (and until now largely untapped) iHD authoring environment. It allows for a variety of pre-encoded material (video, audio, text overlays, etc.) to be stored and accessed separately or together, as well as in real-time and on-the-fly, by users during playback. Multiple audio streams can be encoded on a disc and "mixed live" by the player for integrated supplemental audio content, picture-in-picture video streams can be displayed simultaneously, and even graphic overlays can be "mapped" to specific objects on the screen. If it sounds futuristic, it is, and 'Tokyo Drift' is only the beginning of the possibilities. (Note that some readers have reported that the 2.0 firmware upgrade is necessary in order to view the iHD-powered "U-Control" features.)

As far as the real-world experience goes, Universal has dubbed the user interface on 'Tokyo Drift' "U-Control." There are on-screen instructions to guide you, but anytime throughout the movie, you can just switch on the features you want to watch via the remote. For example, if you are watching the film and decide that during a certain scene you want to see the director's commentary as a picture-in-picture video stream, just make sure you are in U-Control mode and activate the feature -- then turn it off when you're finished. Same with the multitude of other U-Control goodies on 'Tokyo Drift.' In addition to a full-length video chat with director Justin Lin, other U-Control material includes making-of documentary footage on the film's car racing scenes, storyboards and other conceptual art, the ability to "customize" a vehicle and actually have it "drive" it in a scene from the movie (you gotta check this one out to really get an appreciation for it), and perhaps most unique of all, the "GPS mapping" function, which will give you various stats on the cars in the film. And this information is also dynamic -- for example, you can track a car's "damage estimates" as the film progresses, and it is all generated on the fly by the player.

If this sounds a bit confusing, in some ways it can be. However, I will say first that U-Control is indeed very easy to use. But at the same time, the concept is admittedly intimidating. For me, it requires a huge shift in how I perceive supplemental content. I'm used to sitting back and having extras fed to me, whether as a full-length documentary or in easily-digestible bits. With U-Control, it is all in your hands, and requires a great deal more decision-making on behalf of the user. Perhaps for the videogame generation, this is nothing new. But for an old fogey like me, who actually remembers what a Laserdisc is and still plays Pac-Man, it is like learning to ride a bike for the first time.

Certainly, I'm fascinated to see what the reaction will be to 'Tokyo Drift.' It allows for more customization than ever before to the user experience, but also feels like the opening of the door. As the HD DVD format also supports internet connectivity, it is not hard to imagine how all of this could be developed on future releases. Additional content could be made accessible via the web, or extras merged with e-commerce, or a host of other applications. But will all of this ultimately be too much for those who just want to watch the movie and maybe a few extras? I suspect that the younger generation -- especially gamers -- will warm to it easy. Older, more linear-minded users may have more trouble with it. In any case, I'm excited to see what's next...
Fcuk, there is a feature where you can customize a CAR and drive it in the movie!!!?? *AWAY mode immediately*
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post Dec 18 2006, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(zio @ Dec 18 2006, 10:12 AM)
Wow thats a sweet looking device there. How much was it?

So this will also essentially help me in my lack of component input problem right?
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a few forumers have mentioned the farmer 3 input box a few times, suitable?



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