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 Liverpool LYN Kop Talk - BELIEVE!, LIV 2 - 1 BOR

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post Oct 5 2015, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 5 2015, 03:51 PM)
It is clear carrager isn't a Brendan Rodgers supporter after last season. and he throws his support on klopp (isn't shy). He doesn't 'go British manager' for the sake of it.
Like carrager The bolded part I fear too IF they gang up to go young British manager who would develope young talents.

The part I laugh out loud is there are still LFC fans who hoped Brendan Rodgers be given more time, after all it's only 8games in and even Chelsea is behind us as some of the reasons.

The biggest face palm excuse is Transfers failures are not Brendan Rodgers fault but "Transfer Committee" > they forget Brendan Rodgers SITS in TC. And it's was Rodgers great idea that TC is formed!!! HALO!!
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The players brought in although may not top notch, but they are not too bad as well.
But somehow the manager seems can't utilise well those players.

Sometimes, a better coaching and guidance, could be key to bring out the best of players.
Milner was not a bad player in Mancity, but somehow it looks like a flop under BR.
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post Oct 5 2015, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 5 2015, 05:55 PM)
if only G released his biography later abit, so can have some dirt on BR...
guess there will be a revised edition next yr tongue.gif
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Still can come out 2nd edition... tongue.gif

Now everyone can reveal what happened behind the door under BR. laugh.gif
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post Oct 5 2015, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Oct 5 2015, 09:08 PM)
To be fair, they did mention that.

The 42-year-old was a member of the committee and had a significant say. The club have always insisted that a player would never be signed unless the manager ultimately agreed to the deal.
There were set parameters that Rodgers feels undermined him, though. It is understood, for example, that Rodgers was told that the club would not, as a general principle, sign players over the age of 24.
This is why the Northern Irishman's wish to sign Swansea defender Ashley Williams and left-back Ryan Bertrand were scuppered last summer. Williams is 31 and Bertrand is 26.

Personally though I would just do away with this TC nonsense and let Klopp have a say in who will be appointed a DoF who will work in tandem with him and make signings that fit his philosophy.
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Lallana was 26 when signed with Liv.
Milner 29.
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post Oct 6 2015, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 6 2015, 12:49 AM)
Here's Brendan Rodgers real statistics, if not because of the fluke one season with Rodgers. (Since Brendan was always championing the use of statistics)

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http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/10/brend...right-to-do-so/

IF those earlier stats appear complimentary to Rodgers over Houdson and Dalglish, the compiled stats DOESN'T even include euro games in CL when we were there briefly under Rodgers and Europa (we all know how dismally we fared in Europe), ultimately if you do, I'm pretty sure if would be far more disastrous/damning.

"...worst start to a season for 50 years (!), bookended with the worst defeat in over 50 years - all under Brendan Rodgers" how the hell did we get hoodwinked by super salesman?? I know some feel it's uncalled for (seems personal). But really, the kind of agitated feeling when an aloof chap feels ultra superior over the fans. Well possibly 2nd only to Hougson in that 🙊

He's probably a nice guy in person but he is NO calibre manager for a club like Liverpool
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I guess FSG did have a look on what you have posted. The winning ratio is shrinking fast and has been poor on the last 2 years, while the average figure was skewed due to the one season wonder.

If based on the average winning ratio, it won't trigger the sacking one.
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post Oct 6 2015, 12:41 PM

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If looked back, BR did the best when Liv only has 1 match per week.

2 matches or Europe stage is simply a too big pond for small fish, and team performed poorly in a bigger pond.

Same with recruitment, only able to recruit average players.



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post Oct 6 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Oct 6 2015, 02:30 PM)
Hes an obvious FLOPP! Where was Dortmund before he resign out of the club??

Why players go out from that club?

Wut are we going to go thru? Flopp gonna sign a 3 years contract so another 'judge me after 3 years'? Another rebuilding???
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I taught BR already said now is in the process of rebuilding or not?
So no different... whistling.gif
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post Oct 6 2015, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 6 2015, 05:02 PM)
Though my guess is some fans here might be already sharpening their knifes should klopp (if indeed he's confirmed) in his first few games not string any win (points).

I'm also thinking the new manager (klopp?) will forced a Christmas buy to perhaps add the missing jigsaw of fragility of defensive midfield or centerback duo.

My guess is Allen, and even Lucas to be sold if by seasons end. (While Lucas remains a strong support at times, he can't steely us week in and out regularly.

Coutinho leave? Not yet. Another case of blowing hot n cold. Non consistent enough to be pinched by big clubs.
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Coutinho has not proved he is a big game player, nor consistent enough.
He is blowing hot and cold, and can MIA totally in a match one, just like last week vs Everton.

If go to RM or Barca, mostly may be on the bench only.
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post Oct 6 2015, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Oct 6 2015, 08:54 PM)
If this ever materialize and he gets hired, I'll be the first to throw stones..

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Please bring back BR... sweat.gif

Everything is forgotten.
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post Oct 7 2015, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Oct 7 2015, 09:40 AM)
He's also a certified big spender. If Jose comes, FSG will have to give him a big transfer budget with money they are not willing to invest.
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At least he buy some good players.

FSG has splashed out more than £200 mil in the last 3 years, but none of players look good currently.
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post Oct 7 2015, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 7 2015, 09:46 AM)
wait la, whoever comes and if he actually wins something...
BR will return and say "that was my team he won it with"  whistling.gif
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Like that even worst on CV.

If with same group of players, B cannot win anything, but K manages to win trophy,
clearly, B managerial and coach skill is poorer than K.
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post Oct 7 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Oct 7 2015, 09:56 AM)
300m minus sales, & all over 3 years. Jose comes, he'll want 300m in cash now to spend in the next 2 windows. FSG don't have the appetite for that.
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Even with strong financial backing of Chelsea, JM never splashed 300 mil in one season.
The most was around 100 mil plus when he started to build the team.

But he won the league title, so money well spent and can be recouped easily.
As winning title get you more revenue, as well as receive good money from CL.
Not to mention those top players bought were valuable if wish to be transferred out later on.

As compared nearly 300 mil spent,
But with no trophy, no CL football, a minnow in Europe stage.
Struggle to score goals in league.
Left with little valuable players.

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post Oct 7 2015, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Oct 7 2015, 10:21 AM)
far be it for me to be a defender of rodgers, but the comparison shouldn't be what Jose spent when he first went to chelsea 10 years ago. 100 mill then is a lot more than 100 mill now.

the more accurate comparison would be to the more recent projects at man city & psg. see how much their owners had to spend to get them competitive.

most importantly, gross spend is different from net spend, nevermind the scale of player wages liverpool are unwilling to pay these days.
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Most fans don't expect owner to splash 200 mil to become champion, but undeniable, there was at least around £200 mil wasted.

Top 4 or near to top 4 position and play some good football should be least the target with the amount money being spent.

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post Oct 8 2015, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(melt @ Oct 8 2015, 12:10 PM)
I know what he can do. Lewandoski,Gotze, Hummel and so on... what I was trying to say he didnt do pretty well in the last 1-2 season on the transfer market.

Everyone seems like putting so much hope on Klopp which I think a bit over.
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At least got "hope" which is better than none under BR.

For sure, Klopp wont able magical transform Liv instantly, and winning trophy or even top 4, but what fans want to see is some progress.

Fans basically are like "hungry" for months, that's why you see so much excitement. Even pundit also feel the "hungriness" of Liv.
There is too much gloom and doom feeling previously, and too many table being flipped. tongue.gif

Whether Klopp can be a success or not, nobody can assure of, but at least now, a new hope is born.
Just like dating a new girl friend, disregard the gf is a "success" or not, you still feel "excited" at the beginning. laugh.gif
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post Oct 9 2015, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 9 2015, 07:14 AM)
He got Mainz relegated from Bundesliga as well.

Come on. This guy has 10 years of managerial career, pretty much 8 yrs out of the 10 were considered a success but.. you have to go and judge him based on that 2 underachieving years.

The fact is, every manager will struggle whenever they lose their key players. Klopp lost a lot more players than Wodgers did in his 7 yrs in Dortmund..not only Lewandowski.. In Wodgers' case, he was struggling too even when he had Suarez. Our defence were leaking like a sieve back then but this was totally overshadowed by Suarez's brilliance alone.

Dont even compare that car salesman with Klopp.
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At least Klopp unearthed those good players.

While for BR, which players signed under him are currently wanted by top clubs? and potential a big money transfer one?
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post Oct 9 2015, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 9 2015, 08:29 AM)
coutinho  whistling.gif
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One and only one, and somemore can't be considered as "top notch" one.

I don't think Coutinho valuation will be more than £30 mil in transfer, if indeed RM or Barca knocking the door.

Coutinho didn't actually shine too much under BR, blowing hot and cold.
Brilliant in one match, then can MIA for a few matches later.

5 league goals for the entire season and 1 goal this season, the scoring tally speaks all, not enough.

A proper coaching, and guidance, he should be much better.
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post Oct 9 2015, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Oct 9 2015, 08:37 AM)
Struj whistling.gif:
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With his injury record, I don't think any club would show great interest and come with big transfer money as well.

So currently, almost none of players can command top transfer fee one.

Last time,
Rafa left with player, Torres went with about £50 mil, not to mention previous like Alonso, Mascherano that made some profit from transfer.

KD left the club with Suarez, Sterling (Rafa who actually signed him), more than £100 mil worth.

BR??
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post Oct 11 2015, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 11 2015, 03:27 PM)
Wales qualified for Euro 2016, their first ever majors. Now Mighty Joe Allen has the chance that Giggs never had in his entire career.

Chris Coleman is slowly building up his reputation too.
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Actually, Euro 2016 changed from previously 16 teams in the final to 24 teams.

So there are extra 8 places for "newcomers".


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post Oct 11 2015, 08:31 PM

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Klopp target to bring in Lewandowski?

http://www.espnfcasia.com/blog/transfer-ta...te-at-liverpool
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post Oct 13 2015, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(farisq @ Oct 12 2015, 11:12 PM)
Based on that article I can extract the followings:
- BR was given the opportunity to improve the squad with players that he himself recommended
- After 8 games there was no sign of improvement, thus he was sacked.

Therefore, I think the benchmark for FSG is that if the players bought are recommended by the manager then the squad must show progress in whatever way within more or less 8 games...
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Basically, it is about failed transfer.

Coaching stuff, BR is not that bad, may be above average. But ability to identity good players and fit into the team was very poor.

It is like a chef who can cook well, but not able or identify good and fresh raw ingredient from the market place.

Without good raw ingredient, you can't cook a good meal, while spent a lot of money to buy those ingredient that are not suitable to a specific intended cuisine.

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post Oct 15 2015, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Oct 15 2015, 09:48 AM)
Gomez is out for a season
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Curse of international matches? sweat.gif


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