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reil
post Nov 24 2015, 12:13 AM

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Hi guys, I need your reccomendation for building my first pc biggrin.gif

[Budget] RM 5K
[Purpose] Mainly for gaming (want to play new games at high setting), Video editing, photoshop
[Hardwares that will be re-use] None
[Games & softwares that use frequently] sony vegas, photoshop, adobe AE, new games (fallout4, AC Syndicate, Battlefield)
[Personal preferences] intel i5, nvidia 970, if possible, can play new games with high setting within 3-4 years tongue.gif
[Location] KL


I've done some research, and I am currently interested in these:

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (RM 1059)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (RM 189)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-K ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (RM 657)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (RM 599)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (RM 469)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (RM 319)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (RM 1899)
Case: Not Sure
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (RM 799)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (RM 59)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) (RM 299)
Monitor: Samsung S22C350H 21.5" Monitor (RM 399)

Total : RM 6747

...which is obviously out of budget sweat.gif So,
1. Do you have any suggestion to reduce the cost? Or better options?
2. Should I buy i5 6600K or 6600 only? Or other better cpu? and mobo. btw, I'm too lazy to OC
3. About the gpu, I'm torn between gtx970 and amd r9 390, which one performs better? Or other suggestion?
4. For psu, which one is better? Seasonic (above) or corsair AX 760W (rm667)? Or other suggestion? sweat.gif
5. Do I need m.2? what is it for? Is it really necessary?
6. Which case is awesome? biggrin.gif

Sorry for the questions sleep.gif|||
Thanks!!!


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post Nov 24 2015, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(reil @ Nov 24 2015, 12:13 AM)
Hi guys, I need your reccomendation for building my first pc biggrin.gif

[Budget] RM 5K
[Purpose] Mainly for gaming (want to play new games at high setting), Video editing, photoshop
[Hardwares that will be re-use] None
[Games & softwares that use frequently] sony vegas, photoshop, adobe AE, new games (fallout4, AC Syndicate, Battlefield)
[Personal preferences] intel i5, nvidia 970, if possible, can play new games with high setting within 3-4 years  tongue.gif
[Location] KL
I've done some research, and I am currently interested in these:

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (RM 1059)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (RM 189)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-K ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (RM 657)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (RM 599)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (RM 469)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (RM 319)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (RM 1899)
Case: Not Sure
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (RM 799)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (RM 59)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) (RM 299)
Monitor: Samsung S22C350H 21.5" Monitor  (RM 399)

Total : RM 6747

...which is obviously out of budget  sweat.gif  So,
1. Do you have any suggestion to reduce the cost? Or better options?
2. Should I buy i5 6600K or 6600 only? Or other better cpu? and mobo. btw, I'm too lazy to OC
3. About the gpu, I'm torn between gtx970 and amd r9 390, which one performs better? Or other suggestion?
4. For psu, which one is better? Seasonic (above) or corsair AX 760W (rm667)? Or other suggestion? sweat.gif
5. Do I need m.2? what is it for? Is it really necessary?
6. Which case is awesome? biggrin.gif

Sorry for the questions sleep.gif|||
Thanks!!!
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If you're not gonna OC, then no need to go with a unlocked i5 or i7. About the GPU, for a few games, NVidia GPUs have the advantage due to the lameGameworks. For your usage, going for NVidia is a better option.
Are you sure the G550 costs RM799? shocking.gif

Go for this.

Intel Core i7 6700 RM1362
MSI B150M Bazooka D4 RM424
Zotac GTX970 Reference 4GB RM1425
Kingston Value RAM 1x8GB DDR4 2133MHz RM239
WD Caviar Blue 1TB RM219
Kingston HyperX Fury 240GB RM379
Seasonic M12II Evo 620W 80+ Bronze Fully Modular RM369
Thermaltake Versa H25 RM135
Windows 10 Home OEM 64Bit RM299 - Not sure where you get the price.
Viewsonic VA2246 RM369
Total:RM5230
Prices of the CPU,MoBo and GPU are from Cycom@LYP and the rest are from Viewnet@LYP, unless stated.

Still overbudget, if you're fine going with Haswell:

Intel Core i7 4790 RM1349
MSI B85M-E45 RM296
Zotac GTX970 Reference 4GB RM1425
Kingston Value RAM 1x8GB DDR3 1600MHz RM189
WD Caviar Blue 1TB RM219
Kingston HyperX Fury 240GB RM379
Seasonic M12II Evo 620W 80+ Bronze Fully Modular RM369
Thermaltake Versa H25 RM135
Windows 10 Home OEM 64Bit RM299 - Not sure where you get the price.
Viewsonic VA2246 RM369
Total:RM5029
Price of the GPU is from Cycom@LYP and the rest are from Viewnet@LYP, unless stated.
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post Nov 24 2015, 07:00 AM

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QUOTE(asunakirito @ Nov 23 2015, 11:08 PM)
I couldn't find the asrock x99 extreme 4 price on Viewnet pricelist: http://www.viewnet.com.my/downloads/viewne...y_pricelist.pdf

I found some cheap ones on lelong which is approximately same price as above but with 3.1 usb card.
http://list.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/List.as...d=&PriceUBound=
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They suppose still have stock, probably removed from the list due to the massive stock addition of LGA1151 mobo (list too long and no space to list old mobo). And of course you can buy the parts from others if they are cheaper.
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post Nov 24 2015, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(silentxoblivion @ Nov 23 2015, 07:20 PM)
I'm really considering the U2414H but the others are almost half the price. Is it really worth it? Can't find any reviews online comparing any of these monitors.
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If you are preferring Dell monitors, you can get the Dell P2414H (cheaper by RM100) but without the thin bezel.
You could also try out 2K resolution monitor such as Dell U2515H (which I'm currently using) priced around RM1300~RM1400 (thin bezel)
Or try the Dell P2416D (similar to U2515H but without the thin bezel) also has 2560x1440 (2K resolution) priced around RM1100~RM1150

For best productivity, go for Dell u3415W (RM3600~RM4000) = 3840x1440 resolution (similar to 3 monitors together)


This post has been edited by asunakirito: Nov 24 2015, 07:21 AM
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post Nov 24 2015, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 23 2015, 10:13 PM)

i3 has better single core performance even though it is only dual core, most of the Intel out perform AMD CPU even though cores are lesser, don't judge performance by just looking at the core offered. A

And why you need quad core CPU? Any heavy workload or gaming there?

Witcher 3 is packed with Nvidia GameWorks, which holds back the performance of AMD card, but they (settings) can be disabled completely if I am not mistaken, but so far quite a lot of titles released this year are having issue with AMD card, if you want performance out of the box, go for Nvidia card, it is safer at least.
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Just gaming and a bit of simulation software (ANSYS). So Nvidia is the safest choice that run well for most games right? thanks
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post Nov 24 2015, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(chikuera @ Nov 24 2015, 09:08 AM)
Just gaming and a bit of simulation software (ANSYS). So Nvidia is the safest choice that run well for most games right? thanks
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Yes, at least you have day 1 driver support and better performance without tweaking any settings, but drawback is more expensive than the same tier AMD card.
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post Nov 24 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 24 2015, 10:15 AM)
Yes, at least you have day 1 driver support and better performance without tweaking any settings, but drawback is more expensive than the same tier AMD card.
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thanks for the info..

one more question, is it more expensive to buy parts gradually eg cpu on january, gpu on february etc or buy all parts once at a time
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post Nov 24 2015, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(chikuera @ Nov 24 2015, 11:19 AM)
thanks for the info..

one more question, is it more expensive to buy parts gradually eg cpu on january, gpu on february etc or buy all parts once at a time
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If buy all parts at once, you might be able to get some discounts from the shop, but price will be according to current market's price.

If you buy separately in each month, there are some possible situations, first is MYR continues to drop and price will increase next year, second is MYR strengthen against USD, price might be cheaper. If buying separately, high chance there isn't any discount unless the seller is very kind to you laugh.gif
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post Nov 24 2015, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 24 2015, 11:43 AM)
If buy all parts at once, you might be able to get some discounts from the shop, but price will be according to current market's price.

If you buy separately in each month, there are some possible situations, first is MYR continues to drop and price will increase next year, second is MYR strengthen against USD, price might be cheaper. If buying separately, high chance there isn't any discount unless the seller is very kind to you  laugh.gif
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as a first timer building a rig, i dont think i have cable anywhere to seller community sweat.gif

yeah hope that the RM wouldnt fall lower..was in a meeting yesterday with client, they talking about the US gonna introduce interest rate so that the RM would depreciate worse..(not sure what does that means, not a finance/business background)

Maybe I would buy the most expensive part first, eg CPU.. maybe there can establish me as a proven or potential buyer in long term hehe
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post Nov 24 2015, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(chikuera @ Nov 24 2015, 12:04 PM)

Maybe I would buy the most expensive part first, eg CPU.. maybe there can establish me as a proven or potential buyer in long term hehe
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CPU, Graphic card and RAM (DDR4) is good start
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post Nov 24 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(chikuera @ Nov 24 2015, 12:04 PM)
as a first timer building a rig, i dont think i have cable anywhere to seller community  sweat.gif

yeah hope that the RM wouldnt fall lower..was in a meeting yesterday with client, they talking about the US gonna introduce interest rate so that the RM would depreciate worse..(not sure what does that means, not a finance/business background)

Maybe I would buy the most expensive part first, eg CPU.. maybe there can establish me as a proven or potential buyer in long term hehe
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If you are thinking of getting Intel Skylake CPU then go just ahead because Intel won't release new gen CPU so soon, if others then you need to consider the timeframe, some might have new products incoming soon, if you don't mind getting obsolete hardware, then either way is fine.
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QUOTE(Aivihc @ Nov 24 2015, 12:08 PM)
CPU, Graphic card and RAM (DDR4) is good start
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yes..probably in that order

QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 24 2015, 12:32 PM)
If you are thinking of getting Intel Skylake CPU then go just ahead because Intel won't release new gen CPU so soon, if others then you need to consider the timeframe, some might have new products incoming soon, if you don't mind getting obsolete hardware, then either way is fine.
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not familiar with the generation of cpu..haswell, skylake, only heard about this when i read this thread sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chikuera @ Nov 24 2015, 01:01 PM)
yes..probably in that order
not familiar with the generation of cpu..haswell, skylake, only heard about this when i read this thread  sweat.gif
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Int...roarchitectures

Can read this for extra knowledge bruh
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 23 2015, 10:13 PM)
If VRAM usage is > 2GB, R9 280 will have advantage, otherwise they are almost the same
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So should I opt for the 280? I found a seller selling it for rm780++
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QUOTE(lolful @ Nov 24 2015, 05:43 PM)
So should I opt for the 280? I found a seller selling it for rm780++
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They are having almost identical performance except the VRAM is 3GB on R9 280, but due to some performance issues on recently released games on AMD card, I suggest you to stick with GTX960 for better performance out of the box especially those Nvidia GameWorks enhanced titles.
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post Nov 25 2015, 01:14 PM

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Hey guys, need your help here. I have no experience in building a rig neither do I have substantial knowledge to hardwares but still, i'm trying to give it a go. So here it is:

[Budget] Below 4k MYR

[Purpose] High Resolution Gaming (mainstream PC games that are going to be released in the upcoming years), very casual online gaming (not a big fan of Dota 2 or etc.) and Photo processing (photoshop, lightroom),

[Hardwares that will be re-use] None

[Monitor resolution] Do not own one.

[Games & softwares that use frequently] photoshop, lightroom, hoping to be able to play games ( new releases ) in the future.

[Personal preferences] Be a viable gaming rig for at least 2-3 years.

[Location] KL

Cheers.
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QUOTE(TobiWan @ Nov 25 2015, 01:14 PM)
Hey guys, need your help here. I have no experience in building a rig neither do I have substantial knowledge to hardwares but still, i'm trying to give it a go. So here it is:

[Budget] Below 4k MYR

[Purpose] High Resolution Gaming (mainstream PC games that are going to be released in the upcoming years), very casual online gaming (not a big fan of Dota 2 or etc.) and Photo processing (photoshop, lightroom),

[Hardwares that will be re-use] None

[Monitor resolution] Do not own one.

[Games & softwares that use frequently] photoshop, lightroom, hoping to be able to play games ( new releases ) in the future.

[Personal preferences] Be a viable gaming rig for at least 2-3 years.

[Location] KL

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Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 899
MSI B150M Bazooka D4 - RM 409
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 246
Zotac GTX970 4GB GDDR5 ZT-90101-10P - RM 1479
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 225
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 189
Bitfenix NOVA - RM 149
BenQ GW2255 - RM 390

Total: RM 3986 (Techview price inclusive of GST)

* OS, keyboard/mouse, SSD not included.

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post Nov 25 2015, 05:32 PM

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Hey wanna ask since its hardware too.

Do i need specific model wifi pci card to TIME? (move out to condo so unifi tarak)

If yes/no can you guys any model thats reliable ?
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QUOTE(mothangel @ Nov 25 2015, 05:32 PM)
Hey wanna ask since its hardware too.

Do i need specific model wifi pci card to TIME? (move out to condo so unifi tarak)

If yes/no can you guys any model thats reliable ?
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You mean TIME Broadband? If yes then no need any special model, normal WiFi card will do.

If you are applying for 100Mbps package then you need to know you won't be able to fully utilize the 100Mbps speed on WiFi because the stock router given by TIME (ZTE H298N) isn't strong enough, only LAN cable can get full speed, average is around 60Mbps only on WiFi (I am using it also so I know). Get a 5GHz with 802.11ac mode router and you are good to go.
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 25 2015, 07:27 PM)
You mean TIME Broadband? If yes then no need any special model, normal WiFi card will do.

If you are applying for 100Mbps package then you need to know you won't be able to fully utilize the 100Mbps speed on WiFi because the stock router given by TIME (ZTE H298N) isn't strong enough, only LAN cable can get full speed, average is around 60Mbps only on WiFi (I am using it also so I know). Get a 5GHz with 802.11ac mode router and you are good to go.
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Yes TIME broadband. Thanks! Will be moving to condo that is using TIME so considering using wifi card cause later i tarik cable to my room seems not nice sweat.gif

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