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TSHansel
post May 23 2018, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ May 23 2018, 08:49 AM)
it drop from high of 21.50 at Oct 2017
to today about 18.

if maintain 0.20 till year end. and entry is 18 after deduct the 30%
about 9% yield...
from now till year end if got special div would be better.. best case scenario

Div has been 2.40 since 2015.

worst case scenerio.. may be div will to  half.. then price will drop in tandem drastically.

if u put yr email in their website they update with news or their plans quite fast.
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Sure Sis,... but with the rising US Interest Rates, will the share price drop further ? And will the monthly dpu payout be reduced ?

How but others of such counters ?
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post May 24 2018, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ May 23 2018, 01:41 PM)
Andy Luong buy back share yesterday.
Today fierce rebound.. .93 liao.

i only manage add some at .90 and kiasu went key in .85 too haha.
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Andy Luong bought again yesterday evening at 91c,... even the CEO can catch a falling knife, this is mkt,...

Sis,.. what are the other the US dividend shares that you carry ?
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post May 25 2018, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ May 24 2018, 08:08 AM)
for Div is only ECC div shares.
still holding : BIDU

Recently i bought:

iQIYI, Inc. (IQ)
Micron Technology, Inc. (MU)
iShares Russell 2000 ETF (IWM)
iShares MSCI China ETF (MCHI)

Not for div. more for capital gain only.

in my watch list for div is
New Residential Investment Corp. (NRZ)

i waiting for $16...
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QUOTE(elea88 @ May 24 2018, 08:18 AM)
with rising interest rate.. why not consider BANKS.? financial institutions?

i am looking at Finance and Banks ETF..but hv not bought any.

VFH or XLF
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Tq Sis,... let me look,...
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post Jun 3 2018, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ask_Yip @ Jun 3 2018, 03:28 PM)
I am sad to hear this as I am holding some hyflux sad.gif

Was hoping white knight or SG gov will bail out
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I think SG Gov't will arrange something here,... just like a similar event happening to Cityspring many years ago. This is a strategic asset that we are talking abt here,... let's see if I'm right !

....If I understand the republic after having worked with them in investments for so long,....
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post Jun 3 2018, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jun 3 2018, 05:17 PM)
side tracked abit...

dividend stock. Notice that price drop.
Good chance for us to buy?

Brookfield Infrastructure Partners L.P.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apos-top-sto...-131800668.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brookfield-i...-103200490.html
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Looks like this REIT is going to be hit by the rising interest rates in The US because they have high debts whoch are not hedged (based on what I read in ur links). Hence, I think I better not go in for now,...

Actually, in this period,... I think we should go for USD FDs since interest rates are rising,....

Everything else looks dangerous to me,.....
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post Jun 6 2018, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Jun 6 2018, 11:35 AM)
Hello Hanse, Keppel Corp below 7.70 already, got buy some??
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NO bro,... changed my mind,... wait for World Cup to start first,.... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jun 6 2018, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 6 2018, 12:16 PM)
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post Jun 7 2018, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jun 6 2018, 11:00 PM)
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post Jun 7 2018, 06:18 AM

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Better dispose Keppel REIT. No point holding further,....

https://fifthperson.com/2018-keppel-reit-ag...eec9cb0b9a22f4e
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post Jun 7 2018, 09:09 AM

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For investors here who are exhausted of anymore avenues to invest 'safely',..... the following might be worth considering. This is the first of PE assets made available to retail investors,....

Astrea IV private equity bonds' retail tranche interest rate set at 4.35% pa

TUE, JUN 05, 2018 - 11:02 PM

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THE Azalea Group, a Temasek unit specialising in investments in private equity, has launched its first PE-backed bond for retail investors, with a smaller-than-expected retail tranche of S$121 million.

The retail tranche of Class A-1 bonds carries an interest rate of 4.35 per cent. Subscription starts tomorrow and closes on June 12. Retail investors may subscribe via ATM with a minimum investment of S$2,000.

The bonds are expected to be issued on June 14, and are expected to begin trading on SGX on June 18. The total size of the A-1 tranche is S$242 million. Half of that, however, is a placement tranche that was marketed to institutions and accredited investors.
The tranches offered to institutions and accredited investors comprised S$121 million of A-1 bonds, US$210 million of A-2 bonds and US$110 million of Class B bonds. A-2 bonds carry an annual interest rate of 5.5 per cent, and B bonds have an interest rate of 6.75 per cent.
In a statement yesterday, Azalea said the overall demand for Astrea IV was strong despite broader market volatility. The issuer received a combined placement orderbook in excess of US$1.8 billion equivalent from over 100 accounts.

Samuel Chan, capital markets head at Standard Chartered Bank, said: β€œThe market environment today is very different from that of 2016 as rising rates risk weighs highly on every investment decision. A 4.5 times subscription today is a rare positive outcome as most SGD deals are seen to struggle to even achieve 2-3 times cover. We expect strong interest and uptake from retail investors.”
Earlier this week, Temasek Holdings chief executive Ho Ching referred to the Astrea IV offering as a way to help enhance individuals’ retirement savings. β€œBy creating a product which is diversified, and therefore provides a better risk-adjusted return for the individual, we can bring a new category of product to the market for the retail investor,” she said.

Margaret Lui, chief executive of Azalea Investment Management, said: β€œWe are excited to bring this unique groundbreaking investment product to the Singapore retail market... Over time we hope to offer more innovative products based on private assets to investors.”

Astrea III in 2016 attracted US$510 million and was eight times subscribed. It marked the first time the bonds were listed on SGX.

The innovation of Astrea III and IV is that the bonds are structured in tranches to cater for various grades of investors’ risk appetite and investment horizon. In this latest series, the underlying PE portfolio is valued at US$1.09 billion and is invested in 36 funds giving exposure to nearly 600 underlying portfolio companies. The largest fund – Blackstone Capital Partners VI – has a 9.2 per cent share of the portfolio. Over 86 per cent of the NAV is invested in the buyout strategy which historically has achieved the highest median net IRR (internal rate of return) of 14 per cent, based on Preqin data.
PE funds invest in private companies and are typically only accessible to ultra high net worth clients or institutions, due to the high minimum investment required and a long lock-up period of up to 10 years. Performance among funds also varies widely. While industry data may show an attractive long term rate of return in double digits, the risk of picking a poor performing fund is high. Azalea has sought to mitigate risk by investing in more mature funds which are likely to have begun to make distributions. The weighted average vintage of the underlying funds is 2011 for Astrea IV.

Class A-1 bonds are expected to be called in five years. Bondholders will receive a bonus payment of 0.5 per cent of principal at redemption if the sponsor – Astrea Capital IV – receives 50 per cent of its equity investment of US$313 million on or before the scheduled call date.

If Class A-1 and A-2 bonds are not redeemed in full in Year 5 at their scheduled call date (June 14, 2023), their interest rates will be subject to a one-time step-up of 1 per cent per annum until the bonds are fully redeemed.

A number of safeguards are built into Astrea IV to instil confidence that the coupons and principal will be repaid. There is, for instance, a liquidity facility to cover senior payments and interest payments should there be cash flow shortfalls. There is also capital call facility. The debt level limit is set at 50 per cent. Reserve accounts are also set up to enable the issuer to build up reserves for the redemption of all Class A-1 and A-2 bonds on the scheduled call date. Class A-1 and A-2 bonds are expected to be rated Asf by Fitch.
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post Jun 7 2018, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 7 2018, 09:19 AM)
Already said long time ago, keppel related stuff does not have shareholder interest at heart.Β  If want to buy keppel stuff,Β  buy keppel Corp.
Is still a bond which will be affected by market price. Unless you can hold until maturity.
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QUOTE(Sandy2028 @ Jun 7 2018, 10:40 AM)
How to apply while in Malaysia? Can ask children who work in Singapore using ATM which will be in who's name,?
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If you feel that the current assets out there are too highly-priced, and you have nowhere to go, then this will be a very good instrument to invest into ! Otherwise, you have nowhere else to turn to except for FD interest rates, which are pitiful in SG. Even if you lock-in ur $$$ into a 5-year FD, ur interest rate will not come close to the coupon of this bond.

Secondly, this bond can be sold away on the secondary mkt in case you needed $$$, though you may suffer losses. If you break a 5-year FD, you will also suffer losses in ur principal.

But this is a 10-year bond,... there is an advantage here,...

Edited by adding : Forgot to reply Sandy,... you can apply from Msia if you have DBS Account, but certain conditions must be adhered to inside ur internet banking acct.. Yes, your children can apply in SG, in their names.... unless you courier down ur Debt Card to them to help you press at the ATM,...but I'm not sure if this is 'legal',....

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post Jun 7 2018, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 7 2018, 11:31 AM)
I still think price too high.
If you have SG broker,  wait for it to IPO ed then buy from open market.
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Hmm, shocking.gif shocking.gif ...you are still not very experienced yet,... in spite of your reading and contemplating day and night,....
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 7 2018, 10:47 AM)
I don't think it is right time to have bond at least from now until near future, due to rising treasuries yield.

Fed likely to hike rate next week.
ECB is reported likely to end easing monetory policy as well.
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The above did occur to me too,.....BUT : this bond is a ten-year bond if Azalea does not redeem it.

How many years do you think the Feds can continue to raise rates ????????

What happens at the end of their 'rate-raising cycle' ? Historically ???
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 7 2018, 08:15 PM)
Totally understand where you are coming from. I was in the same situation since mid last year. Worry about the market record high valuation and risk, nowhere to put money in safe place and earn some decent returns....

What I did was to spread it out to low risk investment. Bonds, property, money market.....stretch to a longer term investment to smooth out the fluctuation. At least get some returns although it is much lower than other vehicles...
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Yep,... I'm in ur dilemma now,... don't know why, when Feds started to hike earlier,... I was not so nervous,... but,... today, I am getting nervous,... sad.gif
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post Jun 8 2018, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 8 2018, 08:52 AM)
When at this stage, trust your "feel". Or people call it "instinct", "sixth sense" or "ηœΌε…‰β€œ

Only sensitive person have these type of "feel"  thumbup.gif

Might be right, might be wrong though...but at least you can decide based on 100% of your will
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Tq bro,... appreciated the encouragement,...and ur confidence in MY INSTINCTS ! Hehe,...

If everybody has instincts like this and their instincts are right,... then all investors will lead wealthy lifestyles, and everybody will want to be an investor only and not to do normal work anymore. Hehe,....
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post Jun 8 2018, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 8 2018, 11:31 AM)
That's why I said "could be right, could be wrong"  biggrin.gif

"Instinct" comes with experience. There must be on many occasions a person's instinct were right (or wrong) that made him believe in his own instinct.

Some call it luck. But there must be deep inside a voice is telling him "yes, sailang this stock, sure make money...". So when on many occasions the voice was correct, then it built confidence when he let his instinct to decide. Luck won't always last, but when a person has the instinct, he makes more right decisions....hence he seems to be always lucky...

However, to some they never develop their instinct. Or some said "no luck". These people eventually feel stock investment is not for them. So they put their money in FD, ASx, UT, property as they are safer. Don't need to think and work so much....


Knowing you, I am pretty sure you have that instinct already  thumbup.gif
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Wahh, bro Showtime,... well-thought-out writings up there in bold. Highly impressive !!! thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 8 2018, 09:55 AM)
Even it is 10 years bond or be it 30 years, bond price also will also be fluctuating in between, aka there may be paper loss in between as well.

Yes, agreed, in fact, I believed these two years, bond prices will continue to drop, generally,... as the FOMC continues to increase rates. But at the third year from today,.. don't really know what will happen. We can always wait to buy these bonds from the secondary mkt, but Temasek bonds seldom drop much in value.

Treasuries 10 years is 3%, and risk free (set aside the currency risk), this 10 year bond at 4.3%, just a little more.

If one has invested enough into other asset classes, and for safer options and diversification, this bond could be an option into one's portfolio.

1) Fed hike cycle seems still continue, due to strength of US economy. Current 1.5% Fed fund rate is still low based on historical average.

Yes, agreed,... that's why I'm giving it at least another 2 year of runway before estimating what happens next,...

2) A lot of time, rate raising cycle ended with economy problem/crisis...  laugh.gif because a lot of time Fed was behind the curve.

Yes,.. this is the historical thing I was talking abt. When economic prob starts, equities will fall, and investors will start to flock 'back' to bonds. Then this will be the time that I'd be waiting for,... that's why I ssaid earlier,... the FEds can't possibly increase interest rates forever year after year. The moment they stop increasing, my bonds will start to appreciate in price - theoretically, under investments 101,...

I am a little prefer reit compared to bond for time being due to better yielding, as both have similar correlation to interest rate.

Of course, REITs have better yielding, and yes, if you think you have not collected enough REITs yet, that would be a calculated plan. For myself, I estimate I have enough REITs, and I wouldn't want to average up my holding prices.

I definitely love to have bonds when Fed fund rate becoming more than 3% time.

I do not mean it is not good to have currently, (especially with the intention of diversification), just currently until near future or short term wise, bond doesn't seem a attractive place to be, as bond market generally in bearish trend.

Okay, good opinion and yes, having similar opinion too. But if I intend to hold-out my bonds till 2023 for this tranche, I would think it's a bet. FOMC should be stopping to rise rates by,.. latest, mid-2021 ? At the current pace, by then the rate would probably touch 4.75 % ? So,... I will have two years to start to 'reap my rewards'.

Just my view though.

Btw, next week got Fed meeting, we may have a better picture of the hike cycle.  smile.gif

Yes, fully-aware and watching the movement of the USD FD Rates now. The rates keep rising everyday, don't know where the stop-point is,... I am implementing  step-ladder method to structure my USD FD Certificates in order to maximise my gains for my USD Fixed Deposits.

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Firstly,... tqvm,.. Cherroy for responding,... my replies in bold above,...
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QUOTE(frostfrench @ Jun 9 2018, 07:35 AM)
My plan for singtel is 3.2 i buy some, drop to 3.1 i buy somemore, 3.0, buy some, all for div, keep under my bed
Should be ok right?
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Be careful,... the fundamentals of Singtel keeps weakening. I believed what you are trying to do is to accumulate Singtel stocks for capital gain. If this is so, wait for TPG to start operating first, and after having operated for sometime, Singtel's price would be at the lowest point possible for yuo to go into.

Just a thought.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 9 2018, 01:59 PM)
No where to go,  just hold cash in high interest account. At least I have access to it rather than risk losing it in a bear market.

You break FD M,  only thing is you won't get interest.

I am not. Let them keep hiking.  Eventually companies which took on lots of debt when debt was cheap back then will suffer.  Nothing better than a big reset button. Flush out the weak and keep the strong.


TPG post threat to Starhub and M1. Singtel is well diversified vs the other 2.

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Tell me one bank in SG where if you break your USD FD inside it, there will not be any penalties against your principal.

With the $$$ you are holding back and experiencing opportunity loss, you will really need to hope for a big severe downturn to come along so that you can go into the mkt. Otherwise, you really do not have a chance at all because you did not buy earlier when asset prices were cheaper. Yeah,.. of course you are hoping for that reset to happen.

Diversified into the Aussie mkt via Optus and into the Indian mkt via Bharti Airtel.

Optus is not doing that well too,... heard a lot of news about Optus recently. Bharti was hot with some events earlier, but not heard much of it anymore. Just fyi,... do you know that Optus is also 'threatened' by TPG in Australia ?

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 10 2018, 06:39 AM)
When price are cheap,  I have no money.  When price are expensive,  I have cash ready. So no choice. - OKAY, I RESPECT THIS !  thumbsup.gif  thumbsup.gif

Reset will happen as the US Fed is merely delaying the inevitable.  Should have let the weak banks and companies die in 2008.

But a Reset will not pull down ALL ENTITIES. Some companies, bonds will still survive, which brings to mind the Astrea Issues No 1 and No 2 which survived the Global Financial Crisis of 2008/9,... at least one of them survived if not both,...

It takes time and money to build up network infrastructure. Look at umobile.  So long already exist in Malaysia,  their coverage not as good as other telco.
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