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prophetjul
post Jun 28 2017, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 28 2017, 04:17 PM)

UMS roller coaster again
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You mean fallen off the cliff?
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post Jun 28 2017, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 28 2017, 04:31 PM)
i don't know, are we out of the cliff yet? tongue.gif
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Meanwhile, surge in Croesus has enable me to achieve my portfolio target by mid year. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 28 2017, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 28 2017, 04:36 PM)
Good for you, i wait and wait and wait, get 0

What's next for you?

Domino effect? AIMS 1.48 already
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Croesus is a serious component of my SG portfolio. Like 40%.....don't know what to do with funds yet.
Sreits have gone on a run. Difficult.
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post Jun 28 2017, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 28 2017, 04:58 PM)
dump all in netlink IPO tongue.gif
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What's netlink?
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post Jun 28 2017, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 28 2017, 06:41 PM)
Considering this is a hot IPO, do you think the price can drop below IPO price? I am guessing no. Sometimes, cannot look at yield alone. Need to see whether it can continue to generate dividend and INCREASING dividend in the future or not.
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we won't know that till they show their performance in the future.
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post Jul 3 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 3 2017, 10:27 AM)
I think this 'limit' price differs among different investors, bro,... Take myself, eg,... since I have holdings at lower prices as of this moment, I can afford to buy at higher prices because my lower prices will be able to 'drag' my average price down. It is important to have bought earlier, because earlier lower prices would be able to cushion the higher prices later-on.

If one is just starting to enter now,... I think he shld use the dpu to decide what sort of yield he demands from this ctr... As of this moment, I estimate the lowest dpu to be given out at March and August next year is 2.75 US Cts per unit. This is my worst-case and conservative estimate,....
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Bro Hans,

Mind detailing how you arrive at the estimated DPU?
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post Jul 3 2017, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 3 2017, 12:00 PM)
Bro,... I studied the hypothetical events from the placement documents earlier,... then made my own deductions and finally, took a conservative number. In fact, I have done the same for FLIT too.

I'm afraid I can't remember how I did it for Manulife US REIT, so,..I'm just sticking to this number (2.75 Cts per half-year) now,....

If you want to know how I did it for FLIT, I can still remember now,... I'm carrying the document with me everywhere,.... smile.gif
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Everywhere! Whoa! BRo! laugh.gif
You must luv FLIT lots!
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post Jul 3 2017, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 3 2017, 01:00 PM)
Sure bro,... it's 1.65 + 1.635 + 1.725 + 1.725 = 6.710 Cts per unit for the coming FY !

Bro prophet,.... Croesus should reinstate the dividend policy for us while awaiting results or running events of any corporate exercise to be completed, including a buyout offer, don't you think so ? How can they 'suspend' the dpu payouts, and just offer us 'Permitted DPUs' ??
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Hans,

Yeah. Looks like buyer is trying to pull a fast one on the DPU over the shareholders. The missing DPU for Jan to March 17 of 2.05. Plus a shortchanged DPU of 4.05 cents for March to Sep. vmad.gif
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post Jul 6 2017, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 6 2017, 11:08 AM)
Ann't by FLIT :-

http://flt.listedcompany.com/newsroom/2017...P3BUXTHWM.1.pdf

Units has been issued and will start trading tomorrow morning at 9 am,... Do you guys think the price will drop near to 1.01 tomorrow morning ?

I certainly hoped so !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, it will not drop to 1.01

75mil newly issued shares is only 5.1% of total shares issued.

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post Jul 7 2017, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 6 2017, 11:20 PM)
As a comparison, Manulife issued 97,003,000 New Units earlier, against the original Unit Base Size of approximately 631,366,000 units. The new units thus constituted 15.36% of the original unitbase size.

But till today, the price of Manulife US REIT has not dropped back to 88 US Cts,... the new issue came with a price of 83 US Cts.
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Presumably the new issues were to fund the purchase of new properties.
If these properties were deemed accretive to income, then the price of shares should not drop.

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post Jul 7 2017, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 7 2017, 10:43 AM)
Bro,... I will look at it this way,... I preferred to see how is my yield affected based on my current holding price. Materials that said an acquisition is yield-accretive is tricky,... increasingsing the gross revenue collected is accretive, incaresing the net property income is ALSO accretive,... there are just so many ways to be accretive,...

But how does it affect me, the unitholder ?? This is the most important question,... I would say if my yield is still maintained, then this is okay, and if my yield goes up, it's even better,... To me,... a normal unitholder, the most important metric would be : my YIELD !

My YIELD would be tied to the final DPU after the whole exercise is completed ! It's all mathematical,....
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Yes. The most important thing for us retail holders is the yield, the DPU at the end of the day.
And new properties are tricky. Until the results are out, we cannot be sure. That is the reason I do not like IPOs.
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post Jul 14 2017, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 13 2017, 02:47 PM)

Hans,

Countplus share price plummet 7 cents this morning. Any further bad news?

Make that 8 cents with hi volume of 670k shares

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post Jul 20 2017, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 20 2017, 01:14 AM)
Price set by govt. They cannot simply charge what they like. Yield too low.
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Not a yield prospect, but a growth one. Cannot compare to Reits.
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post Jul 20 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 20 2017, 12:32 PM)


Bro bear,... hmm,...not too sure how the prices will relate to each other,.... but the properties/assets looks to be the same,... hmm,... then again, how are they going to pay out the dividends from the rental ? Collecting just one rental,... but paying both country-investors ?? Doesn't seemed right.
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Must read their prospectus on what they intend to do with the funds raised.
Then you will know what their aims are, and how the funds are used.
Could be for acquiring more properties, pay down loans, etc

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 20 2017, 03:15 PM)
Yes, of course, bro,... but whatever assets they have on-hand now can't be injected into the SG REIT just like that, right ? Those assets actually belonged to the AU REIT,...
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Depends on the structuring of the Reit.
Yes, they can inject the properties and will inject. Otherwise why should this reit have anything or anything to do with AU reit?

It is just like any other company listing their shares on the exchange.
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post Jul 24 2017, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 23 2017, 08:49 PM)
If you read the USD/MYR thread, you will know that RM "strengthen" means only against USD while weaken against all others. vmad.gif mad.gif bangwall.gif
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Even against USD, it has been stagnant in the last few months. Not exactly strengthened has it?
Still hovering at 4.29 for a while now.

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post Jul 24 2017, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jul 24 2017, 09:33 AM)
MYR are more "tied" to USD?

I notice whenever USD goes down (against SGD), MYR just stabalize and does not fluctuate much then just go down against SGD
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Probably a managed PEG
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 24 2017, 11:11 AM)
I noticed another hilarious thing,... when the gov't does NOT peg to the USD, then the USD flies away and the MYR suffers,...

BUT : when the govt pegs against the USD, then the USD weakens, pulling the MYR down with it,....

Why so 'suay' ?? Is there something wrong with my observation ?
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The reason is our Malaysian style of management is fire fighting. We only peg when the fire starts. We have brains to plan for anything outside of 2 years.

Next is USD is not all rosy wrt other better currencies. It's own economy and debts are questionable.

The strength of the USD is that US has managed to hoodwink the world especially China and Japan into investing into the USD big time as world currency.
Too big to sink type of thing.
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post Jul 26 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 26 2017, 01:43 PM)
Yeah,... and always behind the curve,... so, when the USD weakens, they have to unpeg, is it ????
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Yeah

Malaysian way.....they wanna be strong vs USD....show the world.

Meanwhile vs SGD.......mati
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post Jul 26 2017, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jul 26 2017, 04:14 PM)
biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

For Netlink,.... the committed dpu is only 4.64 cpu per year for this FY and for FY18. Say,... at best case, there is another upside of 10%, the target dpu becomes 5.10 cpu.

0.0510/0.80 = ONLY 6.38%,.... is this good enough a yield ?? Don't forget we are using a very best case basis here to do our estimating,... which is not really good.

0.0464/0.80 = ONLY 5.8%.

Dvd will only be given out after Mar 31st. next year,... long time to go,....
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Thing is, Netlink may be viewed more as growth than yield stock?

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