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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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NUR_VER.3
post Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Sep 28 2015, 11:05 AM)
Nobody stopping gomen to upgrade kebangsaan school. U can continue to send yr kids there.
Juz let other have choice to continue their education.
Yup, thats is for our children.
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Waa so if pipu want to choose not to speak malay and refuse to do so, how do you expect them to work with the society?

Talk about being selfish.

The school environment are the first medium for the kids to not only learn but to experience the real mix of multicultural exposure. They will learn the differences and how to work together in a controlled environment, so at the very least they know how to accept multicultural aspects of the real society when they leave the school.

While chineese schools or any other vernacular schools, focuses on one cultural aspects and little others, which made them susecptible into viewing things at certain cultural values only.

Very shallow, limited, and narrow views. A backward step if you want to create a more unified society.


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post Sep 28 2015, 11:14 AM

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How to unite if semua kena ikut ni, itu kena ikut sana
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:15 AM

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Your children will have no future if they dont study with my children?

QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 10:57 AM)
LoL

Want racial unity, but against combined and mixed schools that takes all races altogether.

Bodo

He is basically saying that the current educational system are not going to change for some unknown reason, as if the govt dont want improve the education system on purpose.

Thats a false dichotomy, if we can change the schools to have only one type, which is sekolah kebangsaan, what makes him think we cant improvise the syllabus at the same time?

Chineese schools promote unity? Hahahaha thats a first.

We tend to forget that the opportunity to improve is out there, if you are saying that only the chineese school can provide quality education, that means you are being biased towards racial based school system. Because we all know there are bright students coming from sekolah kebangsaan.

So no, his points are invalid, if chineese vernacular schools can provide some advantages over the current non vernacular schools, the next step is to assimilate these chineese school practices into the new syllabus for sekolah kebangsaan.

There are room for improvement, so dont be so complacent and get comfortable with the way things are. We are talking about our childrens future after all.
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Sep 28 2015, 11:14 AM)
How to unite if semua kena ikut ni, itu kena ikut sana
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How to unite if you masuk umno. I masuk mca?
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(MonsterPips @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Typical hardcore vernacular school supporters will say SK low quality one
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Try finish the article
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 11:08 AM)
In the eighties n early nineties, I was enrolled into national school. There were substantial non Malays in national schools that time coz the standard were perceived to be equal or just slightly inferior to vernacular schools.

Its not the vernacular schools are breeding racists, or non Malays just 'suddenly' decide to send their children to vernacular schools. Its not surprising if some Malays think this is a form of non malay rebellion against national unity.

It it the dropping standards of our national schools, creeping islamization, and yes, racism in our national schools. Used to be, teachers are racially mixed and teach because they want to impart knowledge. Nowadays, ppl work as teachers because they can't find other jobs. How to be a good teacher like that? What knowledge and attitude can they impart to the students? Compare that against vernacular school teachers. Do you know their performance are constantly reviewed? If the teacher can't perform, out you go.

Contrast that with our national school teachers. What happened to the racist female teacher in namewee's song? What happened to the teachers involved in the bulan puasa makan tandas fiasco?

You want vernacular schools to die off? Easy. Increase the national schools standard. Hire only dedicated teachers who teach coz they want to teach, not teach coz they can't find any other job (now this is a sweeping statement, i am sure there are teachers who are dedicated, but I leave it to you guys to see with your own eyes how is it with the national school teachers, what's the ratio between dedicated vs just teach just for sake of working). And leave racism out of national schools.

If national schools can produce BETTER quality students than vernacular schools, you don't need to shout close them, they will close themselves due to low enrollment.

Rather than close vernacular schools now and hope to fix the national school later, fix the national schools FIRST ffs!
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All teachers undergone btn. But nobody asking btn to be stop. But asking school to be shut down. That this the power of btn.

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post Sep 28 2015, 11:16 AM

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what about international school ??? allow ????

Competition promote quality

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post Sep 28 2015, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:16 AM)
Try finish the article
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Not commenting on the article
Am commenting on /k people
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:18 AM

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i say it in previous thread, i say it here again. you want abolish sjk can, abolish sekolah agama and mara as well. dont say one thing in front but do different thing behind.
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Varezart @ Sep 28 2015, 11:02 AM)
As a Chinese who attend Kebangsaan school, I don't mind if vernacular school shut down. But do keep in mind vernacular school is not the reason why there is racial tension. The reason is because of unfairness and racist policy in Malaysia.
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Your first sentences i do not agree.

But the rest are spot on.
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QUOTE(MonsterPips @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Typical hardcore vernacular school supporters will say SK low quality one
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Typical hardcore sk supporter will never admit there are problems with the current education standards
TSohman
post Sep 28 2015, 11:21 AM

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Another racist that has no chinese indian friend.

If cannoy speak malay.

How to control your economy? How to force you implement quota on your public university ?

How to put you under siege?

We can speak bahasa malaysia/ melayu.

So you dont need to worry about whether we can cari makan or not.

Kalau tak faham bahasa. Makan pasir la di malaysia.

Shallow and retarded view From you is normal and expected.



QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Waa so if pipu want to choose not to speak malay and refuse to do so, how do you expect them to work with the society?

Talk about being selfish.

The school environment are the first medium for the kids to not only learn but to experience the real mix of multicultural exposure. They will learn the differences and how to work together in a controlled environment, so at the very least they know how to accept multicultural aspects of the real society when they leave the school.

While chineese schools or any other vernacular schools, focuses on one cultural aspects and little others, which made them susecptible into viewing things at certain cultural values only.

Very shallow, limited, and narrow views. A backward step if you want to create a more unified society.
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Try finish the article.

And ratio of vernacular school vs national school is 1:10
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By average every schools have at least 1000-2000 students per year.

Multiply by 1000 schools = equals to 1-2mil citizen PER YEAR.

Not to mention that all of them will have difficulties in assimilating themselves into the society since they have limited exposure of multicultural environment.

QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:15 AM)
Your children will have no future if they dont study with my children?
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Lagi bodo,

You people tend to look at the ends rather than the means, im not saying there will be no future, but that future will be more racially biased and there will be no unity among them since they have been brought up with different type of educational experience and environment.

No unity, thats the result.

We need more unity.
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 11:18 AM)
Typical hardcore sk supporter will never admit there are problems with the current education standards
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That is our problem. We keep denying and pointing fingers
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:24 AM

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allow international school

only sk school

BM English compulsary pass

Science IT in English

Moral in BM etc

Pend Islam Mandarin etc elective

oh wai late 50yrs


TSohman
post Sep 28 2015, 11:25 AM

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We only have 30mil population.

And not every chinese enrolled in sjk. Not every malay enrolled in sk.

If they cannot assimilate. They cannot cari makan la right?

Why would you care?

What is unity? What kind of unity are we targeting? Interbreed? Same religion? Same food?

What kind of unity?

Problem with people like you is using rubbish target and slogans with no resl target.

Now what kind of unity?

How can we achieve real unity with all tongkats wverything?

Unity you mean nobody will question tongkat= total unity?

Kesian bodo.




QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 11:21 AM)
By average every schools have at least 1000-2000 students per year.

Multiply by 1000 schools = equals to 1-2mil citizen PER YEAR.

Not to mention that all of them will have difficulties in assimilating themselves into the society since they have limited exposure of multicultural environment.
Lagi bodo,

You people tend to look at the ends rather than the means, im not saying there will be no future, but that future will be more racially biased and there will be no unity among them since they have been brought up with different type of educational experience and environment.

No unity, thats the result.

We need more unity.
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Sep 28 2015, 11:14 AM)
How to unite if semua kena ikut ni, itu kena ikut sana
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agree. we need more multiracial school like vernacular school . national school too little other race d, should be abolish
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(MonsterPips @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Typical hardcore vernacular school supporters will say SK low quality one
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I came from SK, and i saw with my own eyes the decline of the general quality and standards.
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:26 AM

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How about letting UiTM to accept non Bumiputera students in exchange of shutting down vernaculars school.

got balls or not?
TSohman
post Sep 28 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(MonsterPips @ Sep 28 2015, 11:22 AM)
That is our problem. We keep denying and pointing fingers
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try read the article.

You dont understand at all.

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