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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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post Sep 28 2015, 10:57 AM

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LoL

Want racial unity, but against combined and mixed schools that takes all races altogether.

Bodo

He is basically saying that the current educational system are not going to change for some unknown reason, as if the govt dont want improve the education system on purpose.

Thats a false dichotomy, if we can change the schools to have only one type, which is sekolah kebangsaan, what makes him think we cant improvise the syllabus at the same time?

Chineese schools promote unity? Hahahaha thats a first.

We tend to forget that the opportunity to improve is out there, if you are saying that only the chineese school can provide quality education, that means you are being biased towards racial based school system. Because we all know there are bright students coming from sekolah kebangsaan.

So no, his points are invalid, if chineese vernacular schools can provide some advantages over the current non vernacular schools, the next step is to assimilate these chineese school practices into the new syllabus for sekolah kebangsaan.

There are room for improvement, so dont be so complacent and get comfortable with the way things are. We are talking about our childrens future after all.
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Sep 28 2015, 11:05 AM)
Nobody stopping gomen to upgrade kebangsaan school. U can continue to send yr kids there.
Juz let other have choice to continue their education.
Yup, thats is for our children.
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Waa so if pipu want to choose not to speak malay and refuse to do so, how do you expect them to work with the society?

Talk about being selfish.

The school environment are the first medium for the kids to not only learn but to experience the real mix of multicultural exposure. They will learn the differences and how to work together in a controlled environment, so at the very least they know how to accept multicultural aspects of the real society when they leave the school.

While chineese schools or any other vernacular schools, focuses on one cultural aspects and little others, which made them susecptible into viewing things at certain cultural values only.

Very shallow, limited, and narrow views. A backward step if you want to create a more unified society.


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post Sep 28 2015, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:13 AM)
Try finish the article.

And ratio of vernacular school vs national school is 1:10
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By average every schools have at least 1000-2000 students per year.

Multiply by 1000 schools = equals to 1-2mil citizen PER YEAR.

Not to mention that all of them will have difficulties in assimilating themselves into the society since they have limited exposure of multicultural environment.

QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:15 AM)
Your children will have no future if they dont study with my children?
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Lagi bodo,

You people tend to look at the ends rather than the means, im not saying there will be no future, but that future will be more racially biased and there will be no unity among them since they have been brought up with different type of educational experience and environment.

No unity, thats the result.

We need more unity.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:21 AM)
Another racist that has no chinese indian friend.

If cannoy speak malay.

How to control your economy? How to force you implement quota on your public university ?

How to put you under siege?

We can speak bahasa malaysia/ melayu.

So you dont need to worry about whether we can cari makan or not.

Kalau tak faham bahasa. Makan pasir la di malaysia.

Shallow and retarded view From you is normal and expected.
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Dude I have friends from all over the world, sweden, german, australian, japan, saudi, india, china, south korea, malaysian, french, south africa, american and much more.

Again, focusing on one single sentence rather than the whole statement to come up with conclusion.

I am saying what if they dont, yeah some of u can, but u cant deny the fact that there are chineese who dont know how to speak malay propperly that comes from chineese vernacular schools.

Regardless of how little it may be, why not weed out until the roots?

Its not only language issue, its about the overall experience of being malaysian.

Yes there are non chineese and non indian in vernacular schools but the numbers does not reflect the real society.



QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:25 AM)
We only have 30mil population.

And not every chinese enrolled in sjk. Not every malay enrolled in sk.

If they cannot assimilate. They cannot cari makan la right?

Why would you care?

What is unity? What kind of unity are we targeting? Interbreed? Same religion? Same food?

What kind of unity?

Problem with people like you is using rubbish target and slogans with no resl target.

Now what kind of unity?

How can we achieve real unity with all tongkats wverything?

Unity you mean nobody will question tongkat= total unity?

Kesian bodo.
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So bodo this fella kena ajar satu satu baru faham.

Its a lot easier for our kids to work together with other when they have similar experience, studied in same type of school going through the same syllabus and having the same experience when they were young.

These are the few aspects that can help them respect each other more, since all of them have gone through the same hurdle and difficulties and they both know how hard it was.

If they have different system, they will question which is more qualified, comparing with each other and disregarding the credibility of the other system since it is foreign to them.

This goes to both sides u know.

QUOTE(danabu @ Sep 28 2015, 11:33 AM)
Cave man.
I agree both k n jk school produce good n bad student.
Many srjk student gets A in BM. U means all meleis bm is good???? Many local uni top student are from jk, if bm not good, how to pass with good result in local uni???
Meleis study in srjk are getting more n more.
So later, people complain semenanjung cannot mix with sabah n sarawak...lol
So kelantan people can be racist be coz 99% is one race??
Accept difference si the universal way to survive. U need to integrate to rhe world, not only in masia.
Tell u a story....
Son A juz pass slm with so so result, son B & C work hard with flying result. But papa send Son A to Uk uni study. SON B & C need to wait their luck to study locally.  That is the way to promote unity among brothers.
BTN is the poison. Stop this if u love yr son.

Again, prepare to integrate to the world by accept difference, not act like katak bawah tempurung and want people same like u.
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Funny all your analogies missed the mark there.

LOL i am advocating intergration of our education into one unified system.

Its not about bm language per se, its about having one unified syllabus for all students to learn together, i dont care if they have to put in chineese language and indian language as well but as long as all the races are enrolling into same school they will not only learn in classes but learn how to be friends with other races as well.

This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Sep 28 2015, 12:13 PM
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 12:14 PM)
Please learn to use quote properly. Mata sakit tengok. TLDR.
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Suda fix lah
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Sep 28 2015, 12:19 PM)
Chinese say Malays under siege mentality. Chinese also the same la.

NUR: We should practice kindness.
Ah Beng: You just want me to kindly give up my money to a thief.
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Deswai, I already gave up on umngook, so I sided with PR.

Tapi DAP pulak jadi Umngook versi cina.

Howhowhowhowhowhowhowhow?
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 12:28 PM)
So can sweden australian japanese speaks bm with you?

No?

Speak malay properly? Biar betul bro. Depa pass spm kan? Depa pass upsr pmr kan?

Depa boleh masuk public uni kan?

Jadi apa masalah?

Macam mana sekarang? Salah sekolah ker? Tukar buku teks jer la.

I can also say many malaysians cannot count properly. Hence stuck at rm900/month.

I say that is a more concern thing.

What is the point of having 3 races in same school. And when apply university. Same spm result yields different school intakes due to 'tongkat' (sorry it is too lengthy for me to write. Just a tongkat woulf say it all. But no disrespect)

In mnc. People speaks english so everyone can speak fluent english.

In glc people speaks bm ( higher percentage than mnc) so people can speak fluent bm.

In gomen. People speak bm 100% so any chinese indian can speak fluent bm.

It has nothing to do with school. It is what happens when they come out to work.

How can you expect fair & tolerance when all kinds of 'hak bumi jangan ko cabar' are hanging around? And recently hak bumi includes every single thing.

Even asking for bersih is trying cabar that hak.

Like the article said.

Improve SK and MORE chinese will send their kids to sk.
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Still stuck in BM language issue, haih...can u even read?

Bm language was only an example, but it wasnt my main point lah lembab.

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post Sep 28 2015, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 12:30 PM)
Dap for cina only?

Vernacular school from dap???
No. Dont vote for PR. Keep BN. BN allows vernacular school to exist.
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Nop

QUOTE(SouzaDE @ Sep 28 2015, 12:31 PM)
Make the quality of SK superior, make it religiously neutral, ppl will ditch vernacular schools for SK. No need to shut down any schools. Those that cannot compete for students will die a natural death. That's what they are talking about.
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Yes, thats what im referring too.

I want the new unified school system to be race neutral with better educatiob syllabus, better yet, make it compulsory for all malaysian to learn bm, chineese, indian and English language.

So that we all have the advantage of communicating with each other better.
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post Sep 28 2015, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 12:40 PM)
Not sure you gila or bodoh or what...

learning 3 languages is already a freaking hard time. Not all kids are genius. Most country they learn 1 or 2 languages. Now you want them to learn 4. Use brain lah. You must not have a kid yet. Otherwise you won't say such brainless statement.
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LoL if you made it compulsory since the early stage, these languages will be no different than just adding an extra subjects.

QUOTE(+3kk! @ Sep 28 2015, 12:42 PM)
the unfortunate thing is, at this point in time even for most malaysians to master 1 language is a tall order, let alone 4.

we strat on a neutral language - english, then let folks choose which language classes they want as a second language in school
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But the issue here will still be the same, they want their kids to learn chineese so they send to chineese school, then indian language so they send to indian school.

Okay maybe its too harsh to make it compulsory, but we can make it optional in the new unified school system.


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post Sep 28 2015, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Sep 28 2015, 01:12 PM)
Whoa whoa whoa...a point that many who want to shut down vernacular schools fail to realize...

What about all the religious schools? The sekolah asrama that are only for Malays? The MARA schools etc.

On one hand, complain that vernacular schools are closed-minded but over-looking the flip side of the coin.

Close down vernacular schools? Can, but also shut down all the other religious schools and special schools that are only for Malays.

National schools for all.

Fair?
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Religion schools are based upon subject related syllabus which is an aditional syllabus for specific religious study. Its another syllabus altogether, sekolah agama normally teach normal syllabus like national schools in the morning and islamic syllabus in the evening.

It does not impede unity as it does not teach race specific studies. Even the non muslim can enter if they want to learn islamic studies.

But of course the sekolah agama also need to follow the new unified system where it promotes unified syllabus.

So far i rarely see "sekolah jenis kebangsaan melayu", so if you ask if there any schools specific for malays only, then i fail to see its existence out there.

And for MARA boarding schools, i agree they should create a new school that caters for all race that needs an additional support, mostly the unfortunate families.

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post Sep 28 2015, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Sep 28 2015, 01:52 PM)
unity = fairness. unity comes auto if all being fair.
in the first place, can u enforced quota (in every system) & expect unity?? rclxub.gif
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Thats a false dichotomy, unity and fairness is two separate entity altogether.

U are talking a different issue altogether.

If you are saying unfairness are one of the cause od disunity then i agree with u, but the issue we are talking here in this thread is about making schools to have similar and unified syllabus with no race specific enrollment criteria.

So I would go for that, one syllabus, one school system with unified teaching mechnism that comprises of all existing schools into one type of school.

An environment where all race will work together, eat together, live together, and learn together as a unified team.

Speaks the same language, able to communicate better, and respect each other differences.

It will be much better than just race specific curriculum and language environment.

U want unity and equality, this new school will be the bluprint of new Malaysian.
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 02:14 PM)
What's stopping the govt from doing that now? Do you need to close vernacular schools to build that? Tak paham ka atau sengaja take mau paham?

MAKE THE SINGLE UNIFIED STREAM SCHOOL NOW WITH BETTER STANDARD THAN VERNACULAR SCHOOL.

If its better than vernacular schools, ppl will naturally enroll their children there. Susah sangat ke nak paham?
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Dunno but thats my ideal view for the new system.

QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 02:18 PM)
Dude, not sure you're trolling, dreaming or what...enuff lah.

1) There is no race specific enrollment criteria. Anyone can study at SRJK. How many times need to tell you???
2) We don't have the quality teachers with integrity to do all the things you mentioned, thanks to our gov.
2) The rest no need to say because not gonna happen.

btw, pls STFU lah...many came from SK here, like myself. Unity??? LOL. Phailed objective. How can one claim unity when one is opppressed and insulted on a daily basis by the Gov, Utusan and Mazlan 3.85??
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Lol, i was referring to the enrollment system as a whole, that includes the sk and skjc skji whatever.

And im not saying current sk succeeded in promoting unity, im talking about a new unified national school with new education system and better learning experience.

And u people seems to have this idea that the govt will insist on leaving current schools to remain inefficient. For whatever unknown reason.

We still have the opportunity to design a better system, that is why I support for one unified schools, as long as they revamp the whole syllabus to create a better learning experience for the whole students.

This includes retraining the teachers, redesign school subject, giving additional options for chineese language or indian language etc.

Unlike most of k/ i am giving out solutions here rather than mindless bashing.

Haihhh...again, using one sentence to conclude the whole statement.
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 02:37 PM)
I started to like you already.

But who can we entrust to reform the education?
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Like it or not, if they decided to revamp the whole system, we need to make sure they make it right.

Yes it is far fetched, but no, if unity is our goal then the one unified school need to be implemented.


QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 02:37 PM)
Same answer. You are dreaming. NEXT!
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LoL,

U are talking like umngook fellas, telling the chineese to keep on dreaming.

Where does that lead us to?

Complacent much?

QUOTE(arubin @ Sep 28 2015, 02:38 PM)
Really? And how many non-Muslims will want to learn Islamic studies?

The logic is the same. If you can accuse vernacular schools of impeding unity due to a mono-cultural environment, the same also directly applies to religious schools.

Its mostly Chinese hanging out with Chinese in Chinese schools, and Muslims hanging out with Muslims in religious schools. There's no getting around it. If the former is a problem, than so it the latter. You're just making excuses for the latter.
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LoL unlike chineese schools or indian schools their syllabus are not bound by race specific subjects.

Of u want to tackle racism why targeting religion?

We are talking about racism u know.


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post Sep 28 2015, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 02:40 PM)
Yah...but overall, you know which race contributed the most to income tax, hmm?? Or just don't want to admit?

GST is made specifically to tax the Melei. Chinese no give fcuk, already get used to disadvantage. Cukur ada GST!!!
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LeL u need to take the chill pill.

U are derailing from the topic here.

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