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post Nov 1 2017, 09:42 AM

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Since I completed all recalls, my aircond slowly getting less and less cold. So I sent to SC, they checked compressor and condenser is ok. The cause is actually gas leakage or blocked, most likely need to change cooling coil. dafuq? they just changed it two months ago LOL. Also the Turbo inlet hose broke soon after.
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post Nov 1 2017, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Nov 1 2017, 09:52 AM)
i did feel the same after i do the aircond compressor warranty too ..
but is less cold only la .. not less and less ...
last time i put 21 already feel cold but now i need to put to 19 .. (hopefully not due to hot weather  rclxub.gif ) ..

but i leave it first ... until totally kong only go investigate again ..  sweat.gif

BTW i still left cooling coil not done yet (for recall items) ...
need to make another appointment to complete it ..
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yes. 21 celcius used to cold enough. then 19. then 15. then LO. haha. Now SC refilled gas so i can use 21 again. if it starts to get less cold, they will change cooling coil again.
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post Nov 11 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(hyuanl @ Nov 10 2017, 12:12 PM)
Bought Pre-Reg 408E-thp for RM123k last Feb2016

100k is a good deal, but recently I heard from SC Setia Alam, there's no new car left for 408 Ethp.
100k price is Used car they drived during previous Sea Games (saw some advertisement brochure stated the same things as well).
Better check with Dealer before buying  laugh.gif
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How's your experience with the e-THP bro? Any issues with the car? Is it really so much more fuel efficient?
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post Nov 13 2017, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(hyuanl @ Nov 11 2017, 09:16 PM)
Compare to Civic - my sister owned it. So i drove it once a while.
I still prefer E-THP. Mostly because i don't like CVT gearbox.
Small issue i've encounter
- Been hearing rattling sound when cold start after my 10k service, but solved it once i change new filter & Oil.
- Heard sound from AC compressor when turn on AC. (Very soft sound), checked with few sc & aircond expert. they say it is normal.
- Heard a loud Bang noise from wheel when first moving in morning. It only happens when I wash the wheel and left it overnight. Complained to SC, no feedback.

From my own experience

Pros
-Very fun drive. good accceleration, comfortable especially highway drive. easily go up to 150-160.
-Tried Top speed, manage 213km/hr, not that easy, need longer road and push abit.
-Totally Felt like a D-Segment car.
-Speaker is not bad, just have rattling sound when I blast music with high Bass.
-Nice steering design (almost same with 3008), good response.
-Soundproof is not bad for engine noise. But wind sound can be heard when going above 110km/hr 
-Door is lighter, open & close easily.
-Fuel consumption. (8.5-10L/100km - City drive) (6.5-8L/100km - Highway)
-Full tank I can get to 400km++ city drive. 700km+ highway  (Fuel needle point at E, but Low Fuel light is not On yet.)
-Nice dashboard design, kinda high class for me biggrin.gif
-Auto Parking (Auto Steer, but need to control gear & brake myself). Useful only when no car follow behind, coz it is kinda slow when sensing. Only use it for Side parking. Reverse parking sensing is even slower.
- Auto switch FM frequencies when you travel to another state.
- Built in Microphone is good, don't have to simply speak louder when you're on phone using bluetooth connect.
- Huge car boot. Same as thp

Cons
- car handling at high speed corner is not really good compare to civic. Maybe because the car is designed higher.
- Auto Start/stop is not really useful, Jerky & annoying. Unless u switch to N gear when Stop.
- Auto Start/stop can't be used when hot weather. Engine will start back automatically after few seconds when it is hot.
- Touchscreen will abit lag & slow response right after starting car. but its all fine after a while.
- Gearbox is jerky when jam/slow drive. Probably happens to all Peugeot models. I either switch to snow mode/manual then all is fine.
- Stock Brake pad screeching sound every morning i drive out of parking lot.
- Stock tyre , continental MC5, not really good during rain. Definitely change it if i have budget >.<
- The stock GPS system is basically useless.
- no apple/android car play.
- Driver seat massage , useless can't feel it at all.
- Aircond blower is noisy when you set it highspeed.
- Pollen filter expensive . i called 2 SC, both quote me RM 140x2 (use 2 filters) with GST. 408thp only cost around rm130.
- Don't trust fully the blindspot sensor, especially when rain. But it really helps me quite a few times.

Sorry for writing so long. hope these will helps.  thumbsup.gif
I've chosen this car over mazda 3, hyundai ionic, Civic, Jetta after tested all of them. No regret till now, Just hope that no major issues in future.
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Thanks! Appreciate your detailed review. Surprised that peugeot's handling is poorer than a jap though. I guesss they've caught up. But yes the civic's low and wide profile gives a significantly lower center of gravity I assume. I'm also not impressed with my 408t's ride & handling. The stiffer ride should give better handling but I haven't been satisfied with that compensation. I'd take a 2.0's comfort over the 408t's handling any day.

Also seems like all the new features in eTHP is not really that great then. The touchscreen, massage, parking assist, sensors, etc. Even the fuel economy doesn't seem very impressive if you can only get 400km+ in city driving. I guess you must use the engine start stop to improve city driving fuel economy.

Btw the Jetta, mazda3 and civic are very very good options (slightly cheaper too). I only bought the 408t coz its one of the cheapest c-segment used car (only forte is cheaper) but at retail price, hurm.... i would rank 1. Civic, 2. Mazda3, 3. Jetta (would be my first pick if not for the dsg problems).

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post Nov 19 2017, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(winter_w2008 @ Nov 19 2017, 05:05 PM)
Hi,

What I'm concerning is the realibility of engine,turbo.and gearbox.. I heard the turbo unit usually will need to be replaced after 3years.
Since ur ownership is about 3yrs ady,can u share ur experience;?

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Turbo is not common problem. I've only replaced the turbo inlet pipe and dump valve. All under warranty. Now in 6th year.
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post Dec 18 2017, 10:59 AM

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Anyone care to explain the difference between our Aisin AT6 gearbox and the newer EAT6 gearbox?

Supposedly the E stands for Efficient. I dont know in what way is it more efficient?

Some characteristics of our GB that I don't like:

1. Rather high fuel consumption
2. Revs a bit too high for my liking. It likes to rev around 2.5k but I prefer to keep it around 2k.
3. Downshifting while braking. Annoying AF.
4. When i floor the pedal, it drops maybe a few gears and revs to redline. But when i let my foot of the gas pedal, it takes a while for the gearbox to get back into overdrive.
5. When slowing down over speed bumps, it likes to drop to first gear. So after getting over the bump and need to accelerate, it jolts due to the torqiness of the first gear.

I guess most of my gripes with the AT6 above revolves around it's tendency to be in a lower gear. It's as if this gearbox is geared (no pun) towards NA engine more rather than Turbo. With turbo engine, the torque is very high and it comes very quickly at lower RPM so its not necessary to drop gears all the time.
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post Jan 4 2018, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 3 2018, 02:06 PM)
I'm looking forward to get a used Peugeot 408 1.6THP or 2.0 NA.

I found that some people are spending average of rm5k to 10k every year to maintain a Peugeot. Is it because the parts are expensive when source locally? Or is it because the same parts keep failing? Or it is because parts replacement are too labor intensive? Or it just because service center charges cost a bomb?

I have been reading the thread for hours and seems like only some parts are prone to fail:
1) aircon compressor
2) cooling coil. Parts is cheap but removing dashboard just to access it is no fun.
3)tubo valve replacement.
4)turbo kit, seems problematic on 3008 and 308,does it happen to 408 as well?
5) high pressure fuel pump (already in enhancement program so should be no problem anymore, right?)
6) sensors (abs, water temp and etc.)

Anything I miss out here? Would really appreciate any honest clarification.
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Bro, please stick to the 1.6 turbo. It has extra 2 years warranty which will cover ALL of the problematic items you listed (except for ABS sensor). I also bought a used 408t. So far I only spent money on changing the ABS sensor. The rest is in tip-top condition after I submitted the 9 item recall/enhancement program. I claimed warranty on the valve cover, dump valve and turbo inlet pipe - they fitted a new improved version of it. I didn't even spend money on tires. There was one old balding tire that I just swapped with the spare tire in the trunk (which was still unused, full tread!). This used C-Segment conti car is cheaper than a used B-segment japanese of the same age/mileage, plus with extra 2 years warranty. It's so cheap I managed to buy it cash, so i even saved from paying bank loan interest.
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post Jan 4 2018, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 4 2018, 12:44 PM)
Thanks for the information. Can I know if one still able to enjoy the extended 2 years warranty (5+2) in case if the previous warranty is not valid anymore? let say a 5 years old car, but owner stoped sending the car to SC 3 years after owning the car.

Other than turbo kits and high pressure fuel pump are much more expensive, I find other prone to fail parts are pretty cheap. Unless those tiny parts keep failing after replacement, otherwise it does not really cost much to keep.  Oh, maybe cooling coil might be an issue, labor cost is higher than the part.

I'm considering the 2.0 version is mainly dues to the turbo kit and high pressure fuel pump. If these 2 could last for years, then I guess the 1.6 thp is a winner over 2.0 NA.
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You will still get the 2 year extra warranty as long as the car has not been modified. Turbo and fuel pump are covered under warranty. They will replace with a new design that is much more reliable. Cooling coil is a non-issue also because you can just submit for the recall and get a brand spanking new cooling coil blowing cold fresh air to the cabin. The 2.0NA is dino car by 2018 standards... old engine and 4-speed gearbox. If you browse this thread and the 408 facebook page, many owners regret the 2.0 having problems and need to spend money coz no longer under warranty.

turbo: 9 items under recall so you can get 9 new parts for free plus the 2 year extra warranty.
2.0: i think only 5-6 parts recall, and no extra warranty. forget the 4th & 5th year warranty, it is waste of time and money coz you have to constantly service at their SC.

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post Jan 5 2018, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 4 2018, 05:12 PM)
Extra 2 years warranty is given even though ex owner does not service the car in SC? That's interesting and tempting.

Guess I will start to look for a unit. I was thinking to get one with full service record but since the extra 2 years warranty is given to car which the warranty was void,  then service record is not a must then. Thank you very much for letting me know.

Speak of the 6 speed AT, does it share the same transmission with Peugeot 308 turbo? I remember I read somewhere 308 has transmission issue. Any idea?
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You must know there is two versions of the Peugeot 308t. One is with 4-speed (09 & 10), 6-speed is post-2010. I think 4-speed one is problematic. The 6-speed AFAIK has no issues. I have never read on this forum or on the 408 fb group of anyone having GB issues. Having said that, i don't like the gearbox design but that's a different story tongue.gif
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post Jan 5 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jan 5 2018, 11:53 AM)
sorry to ask, it is cover for Citroen? for the warranty
really love the Citroen DS5 model, but it is using a old type turbo engine? since it 156hp 1.6T?
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thp156 is the same engine used in 308 and 508. almost all peug, citroen, DS from '11-'15 qualify for 7 years warranty.
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post Jan 19 2018, 09:52 AM

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Guys what do you do to avoid/mitigate a dead battery situation? It hasnt happened to me yet but from the posts in this thread, it sounds complicated to replace the battery.
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post Jan 26 2018, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Jan 25 2018, 12:10 PM)
you mean SC or renautech ?

SC i not sure ..
renautech normally i will ask whether have ongoing promotion or not ..
else i will take the package that they normally offer (Mobil1 engine oil, oil filter, engine flush, free gift that come with engine oil) .. RM388 includes gst ..

Normally promotion thing only for setia alam branch ..  sweat.gif

U do decabo before ? How much u do ya ?
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Slight correction. Renautech use Total, not Mobil1. Total > Mobil1
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post Jan 26 2018, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Jan 26 2018, 10:52 AM)
ehh ... the package they offer me is Mobil1 ..
FYI they have Total, Mobil1, Liquimoly...
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Then why don't you use total? It's the officially recommended oil for prince engine.
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post Feb 26 2018, 10:49 AM

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after 6 months of ownership (used 2012 408t) and over 10k driving, i'm facing one problem only. Aircond! 2 months ago i sent to SC, they said gas is leaking but compressor is fine so its probably leaking at the cooling coil. Funnily the cooling coil is new. it was just replaced when i bought the car under recall program. They fill up the gas and see how it goes. Now after two months, no more gas again.... There's a metallic ringing sound in engine bay driver side, the sound goes away when I turn off the aircond. Is this a sign of a problem with compressor? or the ringing sound is normal?
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post Feb 26 2018, 05:11 PM

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OK, but will it solve the aircond gas leaking problem?
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post Feb 27 2018, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Feb 27 2018, 09:25 AM)
Gas leaking usually they will need to put some dye together with the gas and monitor for a period to locate where the leakage is...i might not be the cooling coil but the hose or the joints...
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that's interesting. you layman know better than those clowns at the SC!
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post Mar 10 2018, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Mar 6 2018, 07:08 PM)
Most welcome bro!

I'm also going in for cooling coil change on recall. Have to leave car there for a week. I'm ok with no courtesy car, as I have 2 other cars! Actually keeping the Pug only cos RV is too low to sell.Since it has no issues, running well, use it as a spare car.
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Which service center is this? I need to do cooling coil recall but there is mostly no service center with cooling coil in stock.
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post Mar 26 2018, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(djboycalvin @ Mar 23 2018, 02:45 PM)
i owned the 408T for 4th years now ..
exclude the callback item, below are the thing i change/fault :

1. air cond compressor - once - warranty
2. abs sensor - fault also because the guys accident rosak my sensor when change brake pad - own cost (rm250)
3. turbo inlet hose - own cost (rm450)

the part is not that expensive (for me la .. ) if u know the source actually ..
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The Turbo Inlet Hose is covered by warranty. I got it changed for free after doing all the recall items.

So far after 10,000 driving my 2012 used peugeot 408t, the only expense for me is faulty ABS sensor and headlight bulb. Everything else covered by warranty. The car runs like new. It's seriously value for money.
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post Mar 26 2018, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 24 2018, 01:23 AM)
Frankly speaking the price from used car dealer is not really like what you have seen in advertisement. A 2012 unit could easily cost about rm30K after their so called processing fee. I can hardly find any used car dealer/sales agent who don't "imposed" extra Rm2000 to 5000 so called processing fees unless the price they advertised is above "average".

Another thing is the year made. Normally they would advertise the car as 1 or 2 years newer according to car condition and price offered. Of course there are still some unit with real year made. I have seen a 408 advertised by a few company at different year made. When asked why the year made is not as advertised many will say ads was handled and updated by third party. Honost one would say they just want to attract people.

Edit:take note that processing fees might or might not include name change, inspection, and so forth which cost couple of hundreds. Road tax and insurance will never be included as processing fee.
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I bought my used 408t in Aug 2017. The list price was 31k. Processing fee, insurance, road tax, etc was 4k. So total price OTR is 35k. Still cheap but in hindsight, I should have asked in this forum or the facebook group if anyone want to sell their car. Would have been a bit cheaper to buy direct from owner. Maybe can save 5k....
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post Mar 26 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(jfcheong @ Mar 23 2018, 09:18 AM)
Assuming u are getting 2015 made, warranty till 2022. Considered a safe buy.
But beware on the part failure starting year 4.
Just some examples from my claims list since day 1
1) Aircon compressor - claimed 3 times
2) Cooling coil
3 Thermostat sensor
4) ABS sensor
5) Water pump
6) Thermostat Housing (Own cost)
7) Valve sensor (own cost)
8) Cylinder head cover
9) Turbo unit + manifold
10) Oil filter housing

If you are not passionate enough to maintain the car, I would not advice you to get the 408. It is not only about the cost of maintaining the car, also the time consuming.

You dont care about the RV becoz you are getting a 2nd hand car, the previous owner absorbed most of the depreciation. Year 2015 made 408 should be able to get around 30k - 40K plus (?) I assume. But do note that you might have difficulty to sell when u wanna sell, dealer dont even wanna take your car. You mentioned will no change car for the next 5-7 years, but how about when the car start giving problems?

Regarding the warranty, do ensure the dealer/ previous owner provide the full service record. Verify it to any Peugeot SC.

Good luck hunting your new ride. Cheers!
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Bro, #7 and #6 is covered by warranty.

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