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AVFAN
post Sep 21 2015, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 21 2015, 04:46 PM)
But how much would you pay?  biggrin.gif
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just a figure of speech.

i actually have one to sell. tongue.gif
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post Sep 21 2015, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 21 2015, 04:53 PM)
So do i actually...........  biggrin.gif
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i can't remember if u were in the hot-hot-hot prop threads a couple of years ago.

maybe not so hot now. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 21 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(towar @ Sep 21 2015, 02:35 PM)
personally I think for the long term oil price will never approach 100 usd per barrel like last time.

reason is US has fracking. Saudi is pumping more supply to bankrupt the US fracking companies. below USD 30 fracking will not be profitable and those companies will go out of business. after 1 round of bankruptcies oil price will begin to rise again. but once oil has risen to a certain price (above usd 50) then fracking companies will re-emerge. they can always spin up their production because the tech already exists and is well-known (although production takes months at least to resume).
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yes, i agree.

and add these:

.. there are lots of tankers on land and floaters at sea now holding all that excess oil.

.. china been stockpiling and will stockpile more.

it is a fact that the world now has excess oil, no shortage of supply for a long time.

you can have war in one place, other supplies will spring into action to fill the void.

and there are new oilfields being discovered; alternative energy sources being developed, esp solar and wind.

but... there are hedge funds driving price up and down but they only care for own profits in their longs and shorts.

i doubt we will ever see $100 oil again for a long time.

more likely $30-40 low and 50-60 high in the next decade.




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post Sep 22 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 22 2015, 10:58 AM)
As a good investor, we should not write any possibilities off and bet everything in 1 go. The world is so fluid. Everything is possible. By "Sai Lang" on an extreme belief, these extreme investors are putting all their money in a 1 way traffic. If the direction changes, they could not take advantage of changing tides

I suspect unker dreamer has made a "Sai Lang" bet a few years ago. He wants to see his decision was right to prove to himself he is not wrong. Hence his extreme view. Just my guess  tongue.gif
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i thought the options were 20-80, 50-50 and 80-20.

now, u r talking 0-100 or 100-0! laugh.gif

personally, i rather lean towards 80-20 until things clearly are changing.



as we speak, 4.2835.
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post Sep 22 2015, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 22 2015, 11:16 AM)
Unker dreamer is 0-100. Me is 50-50. Still haven't achieved yet. I have learnt the lesson of not diversifying fast enough. Should have done it 10 years ago  tongue.gif
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currently, us and sg equities incl reits are relatively low priced.

trouble is if u have to liquidate the ones in bursa to buy them, tough...

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post Sep 22 2015, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 22 2015, 12:23 PM)
smile.gif I think if you are holding good counters, just leave them be, no need to selloff. But if you are holding weaker instrumnts, then it is right to liquidate and wire the funds out.
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this isn't always easy to decide, can be very emotional.

how to decide "good" and "weak"? biggrin.gif

say maybank... bluest of blue.
last 1 yr, rm9.50->rm8.50, -10.5%.

who would have sold it then and go buy say, apple inc?
aapl, 1 yr... $100->115; in rm terms, +45%.


as we speak, 4.2905.

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Sep 22 2015, 01:50 PM
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post Sep 22 2015, 02:31 PM

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good read.

if u think more debt to grow gdp will help, think again.

QUOTE
M’sia vulnerable despite no US rate hike
KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia, despite the US Federal Reserve Board deciding against an interest rate hike, remains among the most vulnerable economies in the region given its high debt-to-GDP ratio,” said an analyst polled by Bloomberg Business News.
Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asia Economics Research at HSBC, said that Malaysia has already seen among the biggest moves in the currency market with the ringgit reaching a 17-year low against the USD. “That would make Malaysia likely to suffer a tightening of financial conditions which could impact growth over time.”
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...o-us-rate-hike/
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post Sep 22 2015, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 22 2015, 03:14 PM)
Biz as usual for Gomen as they don't bother noises out there
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they can shut their eyes and ears but not for long.


those who keep saying "it's the usd strong, not rm weak" or "other currecnies also drop", try these charts.

if still don't get it, can't help.

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China could dodge Fed bullet, but Malaysia in the firing line
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...alaysia-suffers

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post Sep 22 2015, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 22 2015, 04:11 PM)
The situation now is USD strong + RM weak.

Purely on USD strong factor without Rm own weakness, RM properly should be around RM3.70~3.90 in tandem with regional currency.

Just like what happened during 2008, whereby during the global financial crisis, USD being highly chased after time (USD strong) , USD/RM at one time went to around RM3.70.

Just need to look from a basket of currency and compared with regional currency and compared it with USD, then we already can know it is purely USD strength or own currency weakness.
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3.90 will put the rm as good (or bad) as the thai baht - thailand benefit hugely from cheap oil, big tourist $ but also high debt levels.

i think closer to rupiah. indon has similar major exports like palm oil but much lower debt.

i'll say 4.00-4.10 if investor confidence returns to "normal".

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post Sep 22 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 22 2015, 04:01 PM)
In the few years, mys GDP growth especially in property sector was partly fuelled by debts.
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that is well known.

not only props but car loans, credit cards and personal loans for furniture, weddings, tv's, ipads, holidays.

and you keep hearing, "what's wrong with incr debt as long as gdp grows". sweat.gif

so, here we are - the rm falls hard when the wind blows.



as we speak, 4.300.

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post Sep 22 2015, 11:25 PM

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brazil is not msia, but is a good case study.

BRIC - brazil, russia, india, china - the darlings of emerging markets.

well, the brazilian real fell off a cliff against the usd.

what does a country experience in a situation like that?

austerity, hike taxes, cut spending, plug the budget deficit.

plus contracting economy, high inflation, perception of debt default.

again, this is BRAZIL, a good read about the very serious problems that can come with ultra weak currency, high debts, massive corruption:
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Where next for Brazil as real hits new record low?
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/22/fx-markets-...ay-recover.html


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post Sep 23 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 23 2015, 08:30 AM)
But Malaysia economy is still not contracting (yet) and with low inflation. A little bit better
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low inflation figures... u believe? biggrin.gif

gdp... let's watch for rest of the year.



as we speak, 4.348, passed last high of 4.339 on sep 8.
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post Sep 23 2015, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 23 2015, 11:24 AM)
I better switch more to USD whenever there is chance. I think anything below 4.30 is good. Potential 4.50  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 23 2015, 11:24 AM)
on way to all time high of 4.7  cry.gif
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the way i see it, our powerful ones have this attitude that everything under the sun can be controlled in their favor.

the words austerity, reduce wastage and cut backs do not exist in their dictionaries - this is the prime problem.

while u see austerity measures in brazil and russia being done now, we hardly see anything here but denials and blame games.

ya, there is 20b to dump into bursa, re-retraining and cash allowance to buy houses for some - but does it do anything at all?!

doing nothing can't improve the current account, can't reduce the budget deficit, can't bring back fdi, can't strengthen the rm.

unless commodities prices rebound esp oil to $70-80, there is no reason to think it will strengthen.

if conditions favor a strengthening, we will first see it in the rupiah and thai baht.

so, 4.50-4.70? u tell me! tongue.gif

the answer will yet become clearer when we see budget 2016 next month.
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post Sep 23 2015, 12:22 PM

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taiwan's twd lost less than sgd and thai baht.

but their exports under threat, now planning to cut rates, following the footsteps of s korea, oz, nz, indon, india, china.

QUOTE
Export slump may nudge Taiwan to first rate cut since 2011
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/22/will-taiwan...rest-rates.html


ringgit so low, are exports exploding?

ringgit so low, how to cut rates?!

"between the devil and the deep blue sea."
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post Sep 23 2015, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Sep 23 2015, 04:30 PM)
I was waiting for lelong until my neck long liao
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gdp still growing, full employment, low npl's.

empty houses never mind, owners can still pay interest.

not so soon. will have to be preceded by full yr long recession.

QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 23 2015, 05:08 PM)
Those who hold SDG or SGD denominated investments, there might be a risk coming that MAS might do further monetary easing

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/s...ary-easing-risk
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i expect some easing on top of the fall to 1.43 now.

that will drive domestic rates up, already seen by softening of reit prices lately.

can't hold forever if china, india, oz and soon taiwan cut rates or devalue.

conclusion: usd still best. tongue.gif

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post Sep 23 2015, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 23 2015, 06:52 PM)
UOB: Malaysia appears to have sufficient reserves
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/u...icient-reserves

V r safe?
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i like the word APPEARS. laugh.gif

seem; give the impression of being.
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post Sep 24 2015, 02:28 AM

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23 Sep 2015 06:20 UTC - 23 Sep 2015 18:25 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.37650 low:4.34180 high:4.37943


tmrw is public holiday, will see on friday.
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post Sep 24 2015, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 23 2015, 01:47 PM)
HLIB Research: Ringgit to hit 4.00 level against USD by year-end, international reserves to stabilise rolleyes.gif

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/h...?type=Corporate
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this alternative report about hlib is quite different:

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KUALA LUMPUR: The ringgit is forecast to reach the 3.55 to 4.20 level against the US dollar by the fourth quarter of this year, and hit 4.00 at year-end as the strength of the greenback will eventually taper off due the recent dovish Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) statement.
Hong Leong Investment Bank (HLIB) said the depreciation pressure on emerging currencies, including the ringgit, would ease in the short term.
The investment bank said the US Federal Reserve (Fed) would be very careful on its interest rates lift off to ensure that growth momentum was not jeopardised.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...s-dollar-in-q4/


such low confidence from an ib, might as well say 3.0 to 5.0! laugh.gif
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post Sep 24 2015, 09:34 AM

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this may push the rm to 4.50 tmrw:

QUOTE
Do Malaysia, South Africa Deserve Junk? Moody's Model Says Yes

Six developing nations including Malaysia and South Africa deserve to follow Brazil into junk status, if credit-default-swaps traders are to be believed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-model-says-yes
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23 Sep 2015 01:30 UTC - 24 Sep 2015 01:30 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.38200 low:4.31336 high:4.38470

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post Sep 24 2015, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 24 2015, 09:37 AM)
I read it as HLIB is so confident RM will appreciate back up to a best of 3.55. The worst also is 4.20. In any case, RM will strengthen in their view and the worst is over.

The most optimistic banker in the market now.

At least the banker has BALLS to predict a time frame - by the fourth quarter of this year. That is what I call a prediction. Come with a time frame so we can judge his prediction is right or wrong. Not an open-ended prediction. People is not afraid to make mistake

Unlike some negative and pessimistic balls-less people here who like to bull shit without a time frame. They will never be wrong and can keep BSing here forever  tongue.gif
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time frame confidence is totally negated by the fact that it was already 4.3x yesterday.

now, 4.38x!

man, this is bad...

QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 24 2015, 07:27 AM)
Oil also tends to trend upwards during winter in Northern Hemisphere.
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oil price tends to soften in usa in winter - much much less driving.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 23 2015, 12:03 PM)
These goons do not understand how to manage a budget. That's why EVERy year they have to have a supplementary budget.
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should have at least this amendment/sup before yr end for this early ns spending of rm550 million:
http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/Is-Malaysi...0-mil-on-NS-2-0

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