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post Oct 24 2015, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Oct 24 2015, 06:38 PM)
there are too many factors affecting USS/MYR, so it is hard to tell.

but if u see how crazy RM bounce from 4.4 to 4.1 weeks ago just for a very small "good news", there is a good chance that RM priced-in as well as in oversold territory.

It is going to takes a whole lot of bad news so bad enough to move RM below current levels.
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But what would you have said when it went from 3.3 to 3.7, 3.7 to 4.0, 4.0 to 4.3? tongue.gif

I see it the other way round... Some small bad news will just drive to back to 4.3, 4.4.

Becos be it crude, cpo, budget, exports or tourism, there is nothing at this time to strengthen the rm but everything that's weakening it.
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post Oct 24 2015, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 24 2015, 07:00 PM)
But what would you have said when it went from 3.3 to 3.7, 3.7 to 4.0, 4.0 to 4.3? tongue.gif

I see it the other way round... Some small bad news will just drive to back to 4.3, 4.4.

Becos be it crude, cpo, budget, exports or tourism, there is nothing at this time to strengthen the rm but everything that's weakening it.
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3.3 to 3.8 takes a few months time & it is the beginning of bear trend which is usually fall fast.

3.8 to 4.3 drop within a month is actually the result of Bank negara trying to use reserve to hold 3.8 for months. (the market already price in it isnt worth 3.8). When BNM decide to let it go, u know what happen next. tongue.gif

Everyone already know RM is bad, they are generally priced in. What is missing is a serious bad news to surprise everyone to push it further below 4.4, if that is not coming I do not see a big swing move to RM, may be a slow grind downwards, but a move like 3.8-4.3 without reason? unlikely.

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post Oct 24 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Oct 24 2015, 07:09 PM)
3.3 to 3.8 takes a few months time & it is the beginning of bear trend which is usually fall fast.

3.8 to 4.3 drop within a month is actually the result of Bank negara trying to use reserve to hold 3.8 for months. (the market already price in it isnt worth 3.8). When BNM decide to let it go, u know what happen next. tongue.gif

Everyone already know RM is bad, they are generally priced in. What is missing is a serious bad news to surprise everyone to push it further below 4.4, if that is not coming I do not see a big swing move to RM, may be a slow grind downwards, but a move like 3.8-4.3 without reason? unlikely.
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Everyone has reasons to explain everything, ya? laugh.gif

Really, it is an individual game.... Just hold on to what you think is coming!

Somebody has to lose so that somebody else will gain.

Me, I just try not to lose to let crooked politicians and their supporters take my blood sweat and tears money.

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post Oct 24 2015, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 24 2015, 07:23 PM)
Everyone has reasons to explain everything, ya? laugh.gif

Really, it is an individual game.... Just hold on to what you think is coming!

Somebody has to lose so that somebody else will gain.

Me, I just try not to lose to let crooked politicians and their supporters win.
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It is usually the surprise bad news that is going to make RM slide be it politician or anything economic related tongue.gif

Frankly speaking, it is just as risky to short RM right now vs long RM. tongue.gif

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post Oct 24 2015, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Oct 24 2015, 07:31 PM)
It is usually the surprise bad news that is going to make RM slide be it politician or anything economic related tongue.gif

Frankly speaking, it is just as risky to short RM right now vs long RM.  tongue.gif
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At this time, I see it 70:30 against the rm.

Anyway, good luck, we all need it. laugh.gif
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post Oct 24 2015, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 24 2015, 07:32 PM)
At this time, I see it 70:30 against the rm.

Anyway, good luck, we all need it. laugh.gif
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As always..... it is the politician & gov policy that makes economy unpredictable. laugh.gif

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post Oct 24 2015, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 24 2015, 07:32 PM)
At this time, I see it 70:30 against the rm.

Anyway, good luck, we all need it. laugh.gif
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I wud long USD tongue.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Oct 24 2015, 07:09 PM)
3.3 to 3.8 takes a few months time & it is the beginning of bear trend which is usually fall fast.

3.8 to 4.3 drop within a month is actually the result of Bank negara trying to use reserve to hold 3.8 for months. (the market already price in it isnt worth 3.8). When BNM decide to let it go, u know what happen next. tongue.gif

Everyone already know RM is bad, they are generally priced in. What is missing is a serious bad news to surprise everyone to push it further below 4.4, if that is not coming I do not see a big swing move to RM, may be a slow grind downwards, but a move like 3.8-4.3 without reason? unlikely.
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Markets move in anticipation. For example, US Central bank impending rising interest rates sends EM currencies south.

Fundamentals are secondary, all economist will say something like RM will settle at 4.0 or some figure to justify the "strong economic" fundamentals. But as we know, it never becomes the case.
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post Oct 25 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Roger89 @ Oct 25 2015, 01:23 AM)
Markets move in anticipation. For example, US Central bank impending rising interest rates sends EM currencies south.

Fundamentals are secondary, all economist will say something like RM will settle at 4.0 or some figure to justify the "strong economic" fundamentals.  But as we know, it never becomes the case.
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Nope, Najib are always right, economy in Malaysia do have strong fundamentals, throttle your Screamyx 4mbps package to <1mbps just to force you take Unifi Advance 30/50 package(will a person add minimum just to get VIP5?).
TNB will increase the tariff next year as to justify with Najib's reducing subsidies, but natural gas are "imported" from Sarawak.
We need to pay AP for cars that we buy
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post Oct 25 2015, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 24 2015, 04:07 PM)
Budget 2016 neutral on ringgit, says StanChart Research
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/b...nchart-research
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std chart... neutral?!

end of 2015... 3.75 -> 4.05 -> 4.25

but ya, markets unpredictable... this bank looks like a headless chicken. tongue.gif


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The research firm is forecasting the ringgit to trade at 4.25 against the US dollar by end-2015.

08/24/2015
Standard Chartered Global Research foresees the ringgit – which ended at 4.1685 against the US dollar and at 2.9619 against the Singapore dollar last Friday – to hit 4.20 against the greenback by the third quarter of 2015 (3Q15) and 4.05 by end-2015, on further outflows from both the bond and equity markets. Its previous forecast was 3.75 until end-2015.
http://www.4-traders.com/STANDARD-CHARTERE...ncies-20922781/

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post Oct 25 2015, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 25 2015, 11:38 AM)
std chart... neutral?!

end of 2015... 3.75 -> 4.05 -> 4.25

but ya, markets unpredictable... this bank looks like a headless chicken. tongue.gif
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Report from Bank based on fundamentals analysis
However, actual movement based on 'perception' mentality
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post Oct 25 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 25 2015, 11:43 AM)
Report from Bank based on fundamentals analysis
However, actual movement based on 'perception' mentality
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"fundamental analysis" is over rated, no use in investing. tongue.gif

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post Oct 25 2015, 12:11 PM

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does ringgit will continuous weakening against usd until mid of 2016?
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:13 PM

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this monday i expect rm4.4 biggrin.gif

china lowered their interest rate again really do affect other major currency, what to expect from rm?

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post Oct 25 2015, 12:24 PM

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4.5 at least i'd reckon
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:05 PM)
yes, He would be in History books.. as the person which have so many scandals yet managed to hold power with country going down the drain  blush.gif
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history are made by victors...duh
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post Oct 25 2015, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 25 2015, 11:38 AM)
std chart... neutral?!

end of 2015... 3.75 -> 4.05 -> 4.25

but ya, markets unpredictable... this bank looks like a headless chicken. tongue.gif
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Good catch.

On a side note china's lowering of interest rates might have another domino effect in the making? Just like in the previous yuan devaluation.
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post Oct 25 2015, 01:54 PM

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so next week MYR gonna get weaker sad.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Roger89 @ Oct 25 2015, 01:35 PM)
Good catch.

On a side note china's lowering of interest rates might have another domino effect in the making? Just like in the previous yuan devaluation.
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what china is doing is obvious - they will do what it takes to keep >7% gdp growth.

devalue, cut rates to allow cheaper rmb to export more.

if it gets worse, they will devalue again.

this put downward pressure on currencies of major trading partners be it rm, aud or sgd.



i missed this forecast made a month ago, looking realistic now.

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MIDF revises ringgit forecast to 4.40-4.50 against US dollar - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...h.KlQHvaXa.dpuf

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 25 2015, 01:55 PM)
what china is doing is obvious - they will do what it takes to keep >7% gdp growth.

devalue, cut rates to allow cheaper rmb to export more.

if it gets worse, they will devalue again.

this put downward pressure on currencies of major trading partners be it rm, aud or sgd.
i missed this forecast made a month ago, looking realistic now.
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So they are indirectly trying to prevent US from raising rates?

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