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danny_sp15
post Feb 20 2015, 10:20 PM

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New guppy fan here!

Keeping em in a small pond, about 15" wide. Just added a water cabbage to reduce algae growth. I know algae is good for the fry, but it gets too much at times, until cant see anything beyond depth of 2". They're thriving, altho occasionally a fry dies once a week. I suspect it's being bitten by the others, cos the fins are all torn apart. Probably cos it's getting a bit crowded. (about 50 fries, and 6 adults).

Now planning to get a small aquarium to keep the male adults, while letting the fries grow without being harrassed too much.
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post Feb 27 2015, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 24 2015, 02:02 PM)
i think your 15" pond is a bit too small to be a pond, why not show us your picture? haha...

i would, get a bigger plastic tank, and keep the fry aside in this, can monitor them, feed them with brine shrimp etc.
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It's not really a pond. Dunno what to call it. sweat.gif
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post Feb 27 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Feb 27 2015, 12:13 AM)
Sweet setup.
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Thanks blush.gif

That was after a 50% water change. Wondering how much green can they tolerate. sweat.gif

A few months ago was like this:
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Lots of water cabbage, and water tend to remain clear. The plants grew buds really actively, almost covered the entire pond. Had to remove some once in a while. But after a few weeks, the plants started dying (the leaves and root rot easily) and the water turned green. No idea what happened.

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post Feb 28 2015, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 27 2015, 09:36 AM)
green water is perfectly fine for guppies. no problem, in fact, it is healthier, but we prefer crystal clear water instead. but you gotta be careful of the rottens leafs and root. green water is because the water exposed to sunlight directly or bacteria boom.
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Well it is being exposed to sunlight directly, cos it's on the balcony. sweat.gif I wanted to move it indoors but we dont have the space. I added a pair of algae eaters a few weeks ago, but it doesnt seem to help.

The previous water cabbage dies off easily. The new one I bought (different type, not sure what is it called) seems to be sturdier, though it doesnt really propagate. sad.gif


Starting a small aquarium to separate the males cos I dont want any more fry. The pond is overcrowded as it is.
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A small bedside table to put the aquarium

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20 mins assembly + really sore hands.

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Small aquarium with black gravel. Personally I like white better, but worried it might look dirty easily.
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post Mar 1 2015, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 28 2015, 02:04 PM)
on your pond, you can get some otto, but not sure if they can survive outside at the balcony with rain and sun etc.

but for your small tank, it is always advisable to have a bare tank to keep guppies, especially if you are keeping pure strain.
it's okay if you wanna put the black gravel, are they sharp? the black sand i mean, are they smooth? i might afraid it might cut the guppies, they might injured themselves. if it's smooth, you can always add cory doras (some ppl doesn't agree), but you can also put apple snail. they can take care of the left over food for you.  thumbup.gif
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Thanks for your suggestions thumbup.gif

Stopped by a petshop today, they're selling Ottos for 4.50 each. They seem to work really hard sucking every inch of the aquarium, but I'm just worried it might not be as hardy as the guppies and might not survive the pond. The Golden Chinese Algae Eaters i have are not helping much with controlling the algae.

The black gravel in the aquarium is kinda okay i guess. Not too sharp, but I wouldnt say smooth. The guppies seem to be okay for now. Not sure if it will be safe for corydoras or ottos. sweat.gif

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post Mar 1 2015, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 1 2015, 01:18 AM)
don't put GAE or SAE especially if you have fry, they are aggressive, they tends to be territorial. i think you can put apple snail instead.

the tank, the water cycled already? one of the guppies looked like got claimed tail....
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You mean the guppy on the left in second pic? I think just because of the way he swims. They all look fine in real life.

The tank hasnt been cycled though. I dont have other fish to cycle it with. So have to use the guppies. Gonna do frequent water changes as well. I hope the plants will help also.

My only concern at the moment, is the guppies are extremely active in the new tank. And they like to play with the water current from the pump, rather than wiggling along in the other half of the tank where the water current is minimal. They're behaving like a school of fishes as well. If one guy goes to one side of the tank, the rest will follow as well. One goes to the bottom, the rest will follow. Just wondering if this a sign of stress or is it normal behavior.
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post Mar 1 2015, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 1 2015, 01:01 PM)
how many days have the water been running in the tank before you put the guppies in?
active is a good sign... no issue, but guppies are not schooling fish though...
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i let the water stand for 1 day, and run the pump for 1 day. on the first night, they seem restless and not feeding well. but the next day they're eating again.

yeah they're not schooling fish, which is why im wondering why are they always doing everything together in groups. maybe just bcos the tank is too small. sweat.gif
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post Mar 1 2015, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 1 2015, 05:41 PM)
should let the water cycle with the pump on for another day or 2 before putting them in.
hmm, try putting female fishes inside, see how would they react. haha...
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yea, should've let the pump run longer. too eager back then. sweat.gif

i dont want them to breed anymore laugh.gif and so far this all-male tank seem ok. everyone's getting along quite well. i keep a daily lookout for any clamped fins, any torn fins, anyone biting each other, and whether they are able to rest at night. anything else i should keep a lookout for? they're really small and cant stay still, so i cant look at the scales or pectoral fins properly. laugh.gif
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post Mar 1 2015, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 1 2015, 05:55 PM)
guess you are doing good there....  rclxms.gif
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i think im just lucky. sweat.gif these guys arent too picky. i have 2 more males, different type (Delta tail i think), which like to harass others. tried putting them in the tank, but they werent doing so well. macam no mood, not swimming much. so i put back in the pond then terus active again. will try them again in a few weeks.

once i have more experience, might plan to get another and bigger tank later on.
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post Mar 1 2015, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 1 2015, 11:28 PM)
did you know that bigger tank is more newbie friendly than small tanks?
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That I didnt know. Thought a bigger tank would require more maintenance, and also of course would cost more. The thought of getting a tank in the first place only crossed my mind when i saw the price of the small tank being quite reasonable. sweat.gif

The filter is kinda strong. Rate is 350L/hr. The valve can be adjusted though, already set to minimum. But still, tank is only 11L. Went to the shop to get a replacement but they dont allow cos already used. So probably gonna get another filter and sell this one. Lowest rating HOB i can find is 185L/hr with valve as well.

At the moment, only the area directly below the filter has turbulent flow. The other half of the tank is alright. The guppies only swim around the filter area during the day. By night they usually rest on the other side of the tank, between the plants.
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post Mar 3 2015, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 1 2015, 11:49 PM)
Bigger tanks cost more but they're less susceptible to sudden changes like say temperature or chemical composition.

HOB filters, even the small ones can produce quite some current in small tanks.

Just look at your guppies, if they're struggling then it's not good. If they're relaxed and can stay stationary then it's fine.
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Might get a slightly bigger tank if I can sell off my current tank. But not much difference, aiming for 18L. Cos space is a limitation. sad.gif

I changed the HOB filter to a smaller one, rated 185L/hr, valve set to minimal. Water is much calmer, and so are the fishes. They're not playing with the water current anymore since it's not as strong. Only concern now is the filter's intake is kinda short. So the debris at the bottom is not sucked in as much as before. Guess I'll have to vacuum the gravel more often. sweat.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 3 2015, 01:31 AM)
Even if your HOB filter intake reaches the bottom, it doesn't clean all those other areas.

That's why there's gravel filter (plastic base, place at bottom) but gravel filter can be dangerous, especially if you're using small gravel where fish can dig, some do get stuck in such filter.

Easiest is to get that type of tube where it sucks the debris from the gravel. I wouldn't be too picky about the dirt on the gravel though.
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I think i've seen that kind of tube. Is it this one?

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Thinking of converting to a planted tank. But still searching on how feasible it is. sweat.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 3 2015, 02:28 PM)
this is too big for your tank bro, 8 seconds your tank dry ad, just use the smaller one, to vacuum the dirt out. i do it manually often.

also, if you're looking to do a planted tank, i would suggest at least 2ft tank, that way, you have more room for error, and it's not so easy to get bored.
if the tank is too small, you will soon wanna upgrade again.
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2 feet memang no space. cos im keeping the tank in room. sweat.gif

just vacuumed the dirt manually. stirred the water a bit to bring up the debris so that can suck easier. turns out all the debris now stuck in between the cabomba plant. laugh.gif

Also manually calculated my filter rate. At lowest setting, it's filtering at 90L/hr. So that part kawtim.

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post Mar 4 2015, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 3 2015, 11:58 PM)
then i suggest you to go with 1.5ft then, not too big, not too small. just nice i guess...
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yeah, 1.5ft is the max i can stretch. sweat.gif

the plants are KIV. at least i just wanna get a bigger tank for these guys. they seem happy for the moment, just that they dont have that much space to move around, feel kesian pulak. sweat.gif
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post Mar 8 2015, 12:59 PM

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kesian this guy got torn caudal fin. i suspect nibbling by other guppies.

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post Mar 8 2015, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(EternalC @ Mar 8 2015, 02:16 PM)
thas one beautiful guppy
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post Mar 8 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(EternalC @ Mar 8 2015, 03:23 PM)
i have two like the one below your big guppy

loves to play and very active

like to kacau others laugh.gif
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I have 5 of those. Memang active all the time and like to kacau each other, but no serious injury or anything. So far all looks healthy sweat.gif

The torn fin on the big one Im monitoring first. If they keep on nibbling him, might have to return him to the pond.


Update on pond:
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Got foam filter now. Doesnt help much with mechanical filtration, but hopefully the biological filter will establish well. Algae growth is still as persistent as before. But I guess it will provide food for the fry.

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The water cabbage is growing a bud! Hopefully it wont die off like last time.
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post Mar 8 2015, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(EternalC @ Mar 8 2015, 05:19 PM)
Bro, I wanna ask about the tank u have there. How many litres capacity? And the table you assembled can take on the weight? Where to get it?
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Small tank, 1ft only. about 11L capacity. The table, i think should be ok. they didnt mention the max capacity sweat.gif it's solid pine though. RM29.90 from Ikea. laugh.gif
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post Mar 8 2015, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(EternalC @ Mar 8 2015, 05:56 PM)
I see. I'm looking for a table to handle my 48 litre tank sweat.gif
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that should be roughly the weight of a thin person laugh.gif my table wont even fit that aquarium size, let alone handle the weight sweat.gif
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post Apr 8 2015, 11:34 PM

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My pond miraculously became crystal clear almost overnight. No idea what happened, cos I didn't change anything. Hopefully the guppies wont mind the clear water.

1 month ago:
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