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post Aug 8 2007, 11:20 AM

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It is going to go up very soon. I am still positive about it. If today KLCI remain positive, you might top up at higher price than yesterday, but no harm for long term.
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post Aug 8 2007, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Aug 8 2007, 11:24 AM)
Thanks Shih,
than perhaps even your nav unit to switch is just rm5k or ++ already worth to switch.
for short term parking purpose,i think switch to cash fund is better,recently we saw many time where bond and equitity fund up or down together.switch from equitidy to bond is perhaps better for those want to retire or have long vacation from share or equitidy fund.
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Welcome, I learn from my mistake but I want to try my judgement. I made some bad decisions in stocks. I would like to see how my judgement on UTs goes. Indeed, if I park my UTs in bond fund, I would maximize my profit.

Since I am young, no harm taking more risk and learn.
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post Aug 8 2007, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 8 2007, 04:36 PM)
Suddenly thought of this question,

An older fund might cost X amount and sound expensive. A new fund will cost X amount and is cheaper

Is there actually any difference?
Old Fund buy X amount of Stock
New Fund buy X amount of Stock

When economy drops, both also drops. Vice versa

So wouldn't it be better to choose older fund where we can already see the past performance?
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It is still depends on the portfolio, past performance just as track record, it does not reflect the future value.

QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 8 2007, 06:49 PM)
I have not tried other UT other than PM

Is this really good?

Do you guys buy other UT funds from other companies?
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So far, just have the taste Public Mutual only. Of course, there are some good fund beside PM's.
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post Aug 9 2007, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 9 2007, 10:36 AM)
That is what I think so too, but my agent tries to brain wash me whenever there is a new fund, saying it is cheap. Worth the buy, where the fact it is actually the same

The agent also say, new fund will not drop so much compared to old fund. I have to disagree. Take PCSF as example
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When the NAV offered is low, it is actually cheap 'psycologically', people tend to buy cheap things.

I would say new fund would have a different dimension and can tackle the market follwoing the latest trend. Some old fund is holding on stocks for years.
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post Aug 10 2007, 10:05 AM

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All UTs will hit badly by the European subprime issue now. Need to borrow 160b some more. Headache. Go top up if dare to.


Added on August 10, 2007, 10:30 amReally need to switch to preserve my profit? If another 50-100pts, all will be gone.

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post Aug 10 2007, 11:38 AM

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What playing in my mind is PFEPRF. If the manager have not make a move, properties stocks already suffered a lot and have a bullish prospect. Headache.
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post Aug 10 2007, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 12:24 PM)
Today should be red, so I took a shot and topup PRSF again
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How much you top up in one time? You have been topping up alot since the subprime woe.
You earn a lot kah?
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post Aug 10 2007, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 02:33 PM)
I have been saving bullets since April  flex.gif 

How much? I'm aiming gold mutual by year end
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I dont care how much bullet you have. I just curious about how much you top up each time only.
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post Aug 10 2007, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 02:42 PM)
RM5k per shot. Left 4 more
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OMG, I dont know when will I have 5k to top up my UT in the future. For me, top up is like RM100, 200, 500, 600. Never more than 1k.
Hope one day I can afford like you.
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post Aug 10 2007, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 02:45 PM)
Is RM3k, punch the wrong figure
I do it via Public Bank online
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I bank in in Public Bank last time. Now have PBebank, so top up using online banking too.
3k also very much for me. I think my initial starting pay for 2 years also not that much. cry.gif


Added on August 10, 2007, 2:52 pm
QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 02:46 PM)
Don't worry, the day will come where you can afford more than me smile.gif
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Btw, what is your investment objective for your UTs? Just want to let your money work for you? or retirement plan or children education plan?

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post Aug 10 2007, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 03:05 PM)
My objective of my UT funds are meant for future (retirement, big house, big car, etc). At least 20 years to go

Whenever I buy UT, I tell myself that the money is considered spent and can't be taken back (force saving). I will keep it there for long term (I do monitoring and switching whenever necessary)
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I see. How old are you? Did you agent help you to plan? or you do it manually.
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post Aug 10 2007, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 03:22 PM)
28, My agent is sleeping type. Hardly service me. I plan it manually
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Ok, I wish when I am 28, I will be able to have a good 'working' financial plan for myself.
Now need to work hard to earn money.
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post Aug 10 2007, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 03:42 PM)
I only realized about the importance of financial knowledge since 26. How I wish I knew it earlier

Really spent my younger days as a big spender
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I start investng since 19 but not a regular one. Now the UTs already making some return. So I was thinking if the recession is coming, it is better for me to swtich into bond or cash out for other purpose.
I do not know when to sell yet, I need to learn more about this. I only know when to buy only. Ironically, I dont have much money to do so, you know lar.... fresh grad.
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post Aug 10 2007, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 10 2007, 03:53 PM)
Can I buy without putting the agent details?
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I think the computer system have the initial investment form agent as the default one. So, whenever you miss it, they will put in the same name.
You can invest without the agent name but someone else will fill in that blank for you. End up earning the commission without doing job too.
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post Aug 17 2007, 06:00 PM

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I sold most of my funds, just have a few dividend and bond fund left. Market is not good now. After locking my profit, I am going after PCSF for long term investment and other funds as well. Eyeing on PRSF.
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post Aug 17 2007, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 17 2007, 07:25 PM)
Actually a bit scared, but I tak kisah la. I cannot concentrate on my work with this current market trend. Just want to get it out of my mind

My I showed hand:
-The fund has hit my low target (below 10%)
-Even if it drops further, I don't need the money I've invested. So I can keep it for really really long there
-Even the market really crashes (97 crisis), before it happens I will withdraw and keep my capital (my total profit now from UT portfolio is still +8% accumulated since 2 years ago)
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Actually, I am going to start working, so no more stock market monitoring or forum anymore soon. I leave a few funds which is still in negative inside for medium to long term investment, will start to top up after some time to drag the cost per unit.

dzi921, you need to stand firm on your principle. Set a cut loss point for your UTs. Because markets wont crash in one day, but a more than 10 pts for a few weeks time is not good for everyone. You wont notice the little difference every time.

My profit for my fund actually shrinked ~15%. So, I just need to go when I still have some profit with me, around 20-50%. For those funds which cannot escape, I need to have a PLAN B for them. Besides, I kept 2 funds will profit inside so that I can switch to the long term investment whenever timing is good.

So far, kept my PBOND, PSBF, PDSF. And those not doing well one includes, PIADF, PGBF, PEF and so on.
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post Aug 17 2007, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 17 2007, 08:15 PM)
I don't have many funds, cause I do not see the purpose

I switched all my PEBF into

PRSF (80%)
PRSEC (20%)

Once my salary is out, will open new account for PAGF & PSBF
That's the beauty of UT. If the market crashes, those buying direct will be affected more. So meaning I've got time to escape

For me, my cut off point is not to loose my capital. If it actually does reach that moment, our Malaysia market should be quite serious  sweat.gif
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I cannot say your move is correct or not, as long as you are happy with it. Of course everyone have the time to escape, i am one of many now. The thing I am worry is, when people start losing money, they want to win it back even the timing or luck is not on their side.

How serious is the market? If I rate it from 0-10 for the seriousness, I would say 7-8 now.

QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Aug 17 2007, 10:16 PM)
Shih,

Good luck on your career journey.

do plan some time come back lyn to give your view and advice.

somehow,i personaly prefer to accept your investment point than use others senior point,because our perception,investment strategey and living way is nearer.
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Thank you, athlon11. Actually everyone has their own investment startegy, mine might not work for other people and vice versa. However, it is good to share things and do some comparisons. I would like to come here to see how things going on here. Hope you all have some good time also. Good luck!


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post Aug 19 2007, 03:42 AM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Aug 19 2007, 12:31 AM)
I agree with you.

The initial cash injection was supposed to calm the market, but didn't have any effects. That is y the reduction in the interest rate...to give some positive news to the market.
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The reduction of interest rate is not the best solution for this issue. There might be looking good now, but for coming weeks, I am not sure. When bad news come, they tend to come one by one but separately. I am not so positive even the interest rate being reduced 1%, it is just pushing up the inflation. If you are patient enough, wait until all the subprime being cooled down.

Look into the picture, dont just look at the picture.
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post Aug 20 2007, 11:18 AM

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A good day to sell some of your units, if you are escaping. Lock some profit up and continue to play for long term.
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 20 2007, 11:28 AM)
Actually I think selling and buying again is a bit expensive for UT cause everytime you buy again you will be charged for the service charge (eg 6.5%)

My opinion is to do switching to Bond for parking and when swiched back there will be no service charge except RM25

I'm the other hand entering equity funds now for long term. I hope won't market crash

Go bull go!
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Switching is not a bad idea. Lock your profit.

Dont worry about market crashing, preserve your capital if you dont feel comfortable.

When market crash, you play in another way. Pick the correct timing, you could easily double up your return in 5-10 years time after market grow after recessing.

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