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post Jun 24 2007, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Jun 24 2007, 11:05 PM)
can you please explain how to get this calculation?because i a fund newbe and not a finance nor mathematic profesional.my previous thinking is the 1 year gain is taking the fund 1 year performance at the lipper chart state date,while 3 year gain is the fund 3 year performance take from like the lipper chart state date.it looks likes my concept have some wrong.

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There is not a certainty for the fund performance. It could be 3yrs>1yr or vice versa. The calculation on the fund performance is based on NAV, including all capital gained, distributions, and splitted units. However, seems like it does not include the initial service charge and annual management fees.
The calculation is very complicated since you need to track back all the fund activities 3 years back.
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post Jun 25 2007, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Jun 24 2007, 11:29 PM)
Thankyou,i think i get the picture now.it seen that my calculation is ok,just i not good in explain with proper english and mathematic sentance,another difference is everyone buys fund,way of invest,money of invest is not same,so this makes diference.

example,if i gain 25% in fund,since i invest in very few amount,so it will be not very suitable for me to withdraw,better hold or stop top up or buy more when it drop.

again,this just my situation and thinking.everyone please feel free to correct me if i am wrong.
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It still depends on how you look at the market, if you think that the market still can hit 1500 pts. Top-up still is an option. If you think that the market is going in reverse pattern, you need to stop topping up coz it would take some time to beat the initial service charge.

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post Jun 27 2007, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Jun 27 2007, 11:44 AM)
ohh....thats' a new thing to me. I never knew........kekekeke
thanks for sharing  smile.gif

Another stupid notion for debate from me.
Most of the time many UT companies will promote the new funds and most of the time when you look at it historically, you'll find that most new funds increased fantastically fast at initial stages.

I'm thinking whether or not it's because they're pushing the investment so hard, thus everyone is in the craze of purchasing and investing in it. The effect of this would obviously make the fund increased like mad.....do you think?! So that is my own reasoning why new funds are statistically performing much more better.

Someone correct me if my presumption is wrong.
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New funds or higher volume purchasing fund does not means that it will perform. It does not have major effects.
Example: China Fund. Even 100% sold out but IF China markets suffers 6 months continous set back around 5-10%. I dont think that the fund performance will be encouraging coz the money will be invested in the stated markets or region. Share markets performance have direct effects on equity funds.

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post Jun 27 2007, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Jun 27 2007, 12:25 PM)
but by injecting capitals into the fund (that's what we're doing by investing); indirectly we're influencing the equity market in China too....(quoting your example)
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That still depends on how smart and how wise your fund manager is. Not all money will be invested into equity, maybe into bond, money market, properties?
If the money is being thrown into losing stocks, what do you expect? Injecting capital is one story and earning money is another.
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post Jul 2 2007, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(satish87 @ Jul 1 2007, 07:47 PM)
hmmm, planning to invest 2k in public mutual tomorrow.

anyones got any tips as to which unit trusts i should invest in?

i was thinking of investing1k in Public China Select Fund and another 1k into Public Global Select Fund.

what do you guys think?
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PFEDF, PDSF also not bad. PCSF is good but it is an aggressive fund. If you think can make a go, then go ahead. 1k still a good starting amount.
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post Jul 2 2007, 03:48 PM

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post Jul 3 2007, 09:21 AM

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Dremer and ejleemy, both of you stated some important points there. However, I wonder if I would really want to invest some money in anything now... what would you recommened in such volatile market?
IT should be equity fund, bond fund, growth stocks or simply keep the money in FD? the sum wont be great (a few Ks?)
Thank you!
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post Jul 3 2007, 10:52 AM

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post Jul 9 2007, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Jul 8 2007, 09:26 PM)
I am looking for ppl to invest in a new social network site....a few hundred bucks will do so since i and my partner hav a server working but lack of fund for domain and ads...

For more info, pls add me into MSn

vmagnum2005@yahoo.com
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Why dont you start a new topic? You can get other's opinion also.
This is the Fund Investment Corner thread. However, good luck!
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post Jul 9 2007, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Jul 9 2007, 10:50 PM)
Public Mutual launches a NEW REIT type fund.

Comments?
It looks attractive, with a mgmt fee of 5.45% during promo period.
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Many analysists are bullish on properties sector, I will dump some money into it if I have money. But i think it will only perform after 2-3 years time and give good return (just guessing only). Pray that economy recession is not waiting there.
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post Jul 16 2007, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 15 2007, 08:12 PM)
There are better online opportunities which give higher yield that FD, UT, mutual funds etc.

Try to source out.
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Why dont you just share what you have. Many are interested to know also.
A website link will do.
Thank you!
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post Jul 16 2007, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 16 2007, 02:44 PM)
this one not many people know one... usually ppl who always online and source this and there baru know and willing to try it.

This one is 50% online, 50% offline business.. One year's yield is about 40%.
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Give more infomation about it, else you are just talking about things that people dont know and understand.
40% yield is nothing to be ashamed of, share it...unless it is something....else.

Fund investment corner, don't forget. thumbup.gif

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post Jul 16 2007, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 16 2007, 04:22 PM)
Hardly to explain over forum. As it is too complex to illustrate and give example.

PM me or Ym me or MSN me biggrin.gif
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Can you give me the name 1st? maybe I know it.
Thank you!
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post Jul 16 2007, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 16 2007, 05:09 PM)
Yes, similiar to forex but the natural of the investment is not forex, not hyip.
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Hehe, similiar to FOREX but not FOREX.... is it something like UT/fund?
coz this is the fund investment corner. we should be discussing about funds.
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post Jul 20 2007, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(lifeless_creature @ Jul 20 2007, 04:17 PM)
ejleemy, does that apply to EPF investments too? coz last time I thought switching for EPF investments are free? No longer applicable? Thankss
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Same thing applies to EPF or CASH investment. RM25 from equity to equity/bond.
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post Jul 26 2007, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(epuel @ Jul 26 2007, 09:52 PM)
i heard that market is going to be very good until election, if i am not mistaken will be at the end of this year of early next year.
So??? what you guys think will happen after the election? i mean the UT market performance?
P/S: someone ask me to join as an agent... so i just want to get some opinion from expert like you guys. thanks.
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I think if you want to be an agent, you need to be ready your potential clients ask where their money has gone during the market collapsing days. If the market is good until GE, do you think that the UTs can actually beat the entry fees before everything go in the other way? If you can, go ahead. I am quite skeptical.

Most probably the good time to be an agent is after the huge hurricane blown away everything 1st, at least 200pts conservatively predict, up to 500pts maybe, who knows. However, the market can go all the way up also, but once again, who knows. Help people to earn money to build your successful path, not based on commision. That will kill you if you dont think for you clients.

If you want to do now, let them know every risk they need to take, and every cent they need to pay.
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post Jul 27 2007, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Jul 27 2007, 12:14 PM)
If the stock market is going down, definitely the UT market will go down as well, as UT also invest in share.

Investment is a very weird thing...everybody knows that we should invest when the market is low and sell the share when market is high...However, when you look back year 1997/98 economic crisis...all people also talking about selling share, but not buying share...at that moment, seemed like nobody dare to buy share...if not dare to buy share, sure also not dare to buy fund.

Now, the market is bullish...everyone also talking about investment, either share or UT. So, most of the people actually start to invest when the market is high and hot...

I think this is the reason, why not many people can be rich by investment...
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Yes, you are correct. Dont follow the pack when the pack is not wise enough.
When most people are talking about shares, UTs, any investments and so on, normally the bad day is near. I am worry about my 5year old UT investment also. Making handsome profit, not dare to pay 14% to get back 1% now. A little bit scare. One question I throw back to myself.....> who knows what will happen? it can go up more, or down, or stay... Need to have more infomation to make a good decision.

People always realize they made a mistake after something bad already happened. Manage the risk, in investment, you can believe 20% in something, 30% in something else, and 50% in something else. That's the choice for everyone.
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QUOTE(utellme @ Jul 27 2007, 12:17 PM)
I did invested some UT(Pm index & Grow) thru my brother in law who happened just started to be FP  4-5 years ago and did have some handsome return indeed and I didn't do much fund investment after that.  Now I'm early 40th and not young anymore -most of my saving either keep in FD, ASM, ASW and property investment and I wld said all these return are quite Ok,  I have 5% interest from my special FD in MBSB , 6.8% -7.1 %  from my ASW, ASM and about 6.25 - 6.5% from property rental.

Whatever investment I make now, I hv to consider risk therefore I think capital guarantee fund suit me slightly better. 
I guess any FP try to sell you their UT and any investment plan, they tend show u the good projection rate while normally based on previous historical data.
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Of course when someone try to convince you into something, he will say something positive for sure. But as an investors, you need to ask for the negatives. Like ... if something goes wrong, what I need to do...blah blah blah...
A good FP will tell you the truth, pros and cons, not just things that they sell.

You are enjoying a good return in UT as I am doing now. Ask for your FP for further advice from time to time, ask him only if he is good enough. Else, takut he will ask you to invest more in UTs(example). Or you can start a topic to discuss how to rebalance the portfolio from time to time. I guess there are a lot good helpers here.

Good luck for your investments and dont ask for too much(money).
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post Jul 28 2007, 02:55 AM

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I think PBB earn a lot from PM also, so supporting PM also means supporting PBB? I will get PBB in the future when the price is right for me. Furthermore, not much capital now.


Added on July 28, 2007, 2:56 amTherefore, I just put all my hope for my PM UTs to perform and sell off at the right time.

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