Lovren is a genius. Played like shit for the past year, then now he simply improved a bit, or just simply make 0 mistake, its consider an improvement!

Must be taught by BR, anything other than 6-1 is an improvement, then this season, 6th and above position will be a very big achievement.

no need to dish lovren, he was decent against stoke...except that elbow, which could been red.

no la, lovren has a very traditional style of play.
BR and his wingbacks messes it up.
at least this time now we got gomez beside him, who defends better than moreno, but still makes a few noob mistakes.
then again, gomez is a noob still...hes only 18...lots of potential and character shown by him last night...

Of course he had been good for that game, better than Skrtel too. But he should had put up this kind of performance long ago. And one can just hope he can consistently put up this kind of performance.

It might not be enough but BR has reached his limit. If he still cant produce, he will be sack I hope. In the meantime keep supporting our team. Clueless in the end of the opponent half does worry me.

The next big hope will be on Firmino now. He bagged a hatrick last night against TNS (Friendly game). Still yet to see him in full 90 mins

judas also scored lots of goals in pre-season like aspas / borini before this.
but this morning he came up short

This post has been edited by Everdying: Aug 11 2015, 10:15 AM

i won't deny that but at least he help to keep clean sheet against stoke. we shouldn't criticise a player that show improvement but of course we had to wait until end of season to judge him.

lovren will come good la, provided BR doesnt send wingbacks flying forward most of the time and leaving someone unfamiliar with the DM job to handle that role.
of cos if 2 sweeping DM's would be even better...too many ppl crowding up front already until the 6 or so ppl in midfield teka teki between themselves...and benteke just standing there looking.

If it happens to Firmino




Jokes aside he was bought in to increase the creativity (main) + scoring goals but dont expect him to score 15-20 goals in a season.

not me, yeelong.

yeah....

"lets see few more games"

before we know it its half a season and sitting 7th and too late to change anything.

wait for january transfer and hope things will change. But no.

End of season "we go again". Start of the season "ok will see few more games"

repeat 20 times.



U have shit manager dun stick with it...thats the mark of a successful team. period

but according to many, rafa was a shit manager...

btw, TS still can delete posts in here?

U happy? Thats the most important thing

This post has been edited by carloz28: Aug 11 2015, 11:00 AM

My assessment on Lovren will be out after 5 games in back 4 system. Last year he was threw into back 3 system. So He seems to be very collective in Stokes game and some preseason game. I guess Back 4 system is best suited him. Who knows, i give him 5 games.

damn man...this guy really tak habis2 with his character statement:

"It is about performing well and showing character. For me it was about ensuring the personality came out. Today you see a team with the determination and will."

I had been criticizing Lovren since the first day he came to us due to the price tag. But looking back when he's at Soton, he had above average run with them. But some how became a total flop and a total joke once joined us. Its either he is sucks to begin with, a season wonder with Soton, or BR is to blame.

Well, I never like him anyway, prefer Sakho over him. Lovren is more of a traditional CB, nothing much, and Sakho is more of a modern CB with vision, he could ditch out a pass which initiated an attack, very much like Agger. We have Skrtel to be the traditional CB, so Sakho would be an ideal choice.

agree with that i prefer sakho too..he's more capable thn lovren...Gomes impressive..

one thing i dont like about sakho is he is easily predictable.
u can tell hes gonna pass and in which direction like 5secs before he does it

This one ayam agreed. his forward passing was an element of surprise and soooo accurate. that can initial fast counter. But his low performance was due to BR wanted him to play back 3 system with tiki taka passing. If with back 4 system. I think he can create more chances then lovren. I can remember there's a moment lovren made a nice tackle to gain back the ball and then he ran up to the left midle field. And he stopped. If that' sahko, the ball will be passing towards Couth or powderben liao