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post Feb 25 2017, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(Hak33m @ Feb 25 2017, 09:19 PM)
i tried calling 1111 and said i got the message but lost it. They say i need to forward the message to 28882. why is that?
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probably, because so many people have pretended to "have received but lost it". the game is up.
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post Feb 26 2017, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Hak33m @ Feb 25 2017, 09:19 PM)
i tried calling 1111 and said i got the message but lost it. They say i need to forward the message to 28882. why is that?
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2 days ago i still received
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post Mar 1 2017, 09:21 PM

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is there any legit VPN for unlimited data on celcom pospaid?
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post Mar 1 2017, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 1 2017, 09:21 PM)
is there any legit VPN for unlimited data on celcom pospaid?
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post Mar 1 2017, 11:06 PM

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this "unlimited" vpn is a misunderstood concept. LOL everytime newbie anyone wants to use unlimited vpn over metered network, thinking they'll be fooling tricking their isp into giving unlimited as well.

it does not matter if your vpn provider allow you to have unlimited metered traffic from their server.

celcom - or maxis, or digi, or tm, or time - meters you by the raw network traffic, both upload and download.

even if you're browsing 100kb uncompressed webpage via unlimited-bandwidth vpn tunnel set up over celcom network, celcom will meter you for that 100kb + vpn headers + misc negotiations happening to and fro.

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post Mar 2 2017, 10:56 AM

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Ooo wanna unlimited data with vpn trick
Selkom kenot, others can
But kenot diskas here
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post Mar 2 2017, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 2 2017, 10:56 AM)
Ooo wanna unlimited data with vpn trick
Selkom kenot, others can
But kenot diskas here
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can discuss. no one is stopping you.

but i am telling you that the network is metered by raw bytes, both in and out. the vpn traffic itself is constituted by raw bytes.

it's like trying to trick a water meter by flowing ribena in instead of plain water.

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Mar 2 2017, 12:45 PM)
can discuss. no one is stopping you.

but i am telling you that the network is metered by raw bytes, both in and out. the vpn traffic itself is constituted by raw bytes.

it's like trying to trick a water meter by flowing ribena in instead of plain water.
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lol Ribena, pro explanation rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Mar 2 2017, 11:45 AM)
can discuss. no one is stopping you.

but i am telling you that the network is metered by raw bytes, both in and out. the vpn traffic itself is constituted by raw bytes.

it's like trying to trick a water meter by flowing ribena in instead of plain water.
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rclxms.gif That is brilliant~ Use Ribena to explain~ thumbup.gif
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post Mar 3 2017, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Mar 2 2017, 11:45 AM)
can discuss. no one is stopping you.

but i am telling you that the network is metered by raw bytes, both in and out. the vpn traffic itself is constituted by raw bytes.

it's like trying to trick a water meter by flowing ribena in instead of plain water.
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Korek but if the plan is unlimited like fb unlimited n vpn route all the trafik to that plan, it'll be unlimited

That's the unlimited that ayamxxx refer to...
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post Mar 3 2017, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 3 2017, 12:46 PM)
Korek but if the plan is unlimited like fb unlimited n vpn route all the trafik to that plan, it'll be unlimited

That's the unlimited that ayamxxx refer to...
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.... and what makes you think you'll be able to trick the ISP's network router into thinking your VPN server is reachable a-la turn-left via "facebook" unlimited path instead of a-la turn-right through plain world wide web limited path?

network routing does not work that way.

the ISP would have identified which server IP belongs to "facebook", and only those IP are routed via the "unlimited" path.

so unless your VPN server belongs in those list of "facebook" IP qualified for routing through unlimited path, good luck.

and don't limit yourself to "facebook"; you can quote "youtube" unlimited, "twitter" unlimited, "whatsapp" unlimited, .... they all still work the same.

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post Mar 3 2017, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Mar 3 2017, 02:37 PM)
.... and what makes you think you'll be able to trick the ISP's network router into thinking your VPN server is reachable a-la turn-left via "facebook" unlimited path instead of a-la turn-right through plain world wide web limited path?

network routing does not work that way.

the ISP would have identified which server IP belongs to "facebook", and only those IP are routed via the "unlimited" path.

so unless your VPN server belongs in those list of "facebook" IP qualified for routing through unlimited path, good luck.

and don't limit yourself to "facebook"; you can quote "youtube" unlimited, "twitter" unlimited, "whatsapp" unlimited, .... they all still work the same.
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I belip u're still new in vpn trick so i dun wan komen anything...

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post Mar 3 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 3 2017, 02:42 PM)
I belip u're still new in vpn trick so i dun wan komen anything...
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yeah, maybe you're right.
probably i'm outdated.
administering network and vpn for xx years does not carry weigh. bragging.

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Mar 3 2017, 02:56 PM)
yeah, maybe you're right.
probably i'm outdated.
administering network and vpn for xx years does not carry weigh. bragging.
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Maybe we're in different skill... U're an administrator, me is ovpn n ehi injector developer
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Mar 3 2017, 05:25 PM)
Maybe we're in different skill... U're an administrator, me is ovpn n ehi injector developer
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LOL after i read about EHI and http injector.

really?

pages of google result just for noobs to describe an ancient knowledge in network administrators' handbook.

edit: i'm not putting you down with "noob". but that is just it. it's nothing new to shout about. just that the knowledge is now packaged nicely with GUI.


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that "free internet" in what you describe is "free" as in no firewall stopping you dead in your track, no restriction on where you want to go.

it does not mean "free" as in unmetered bandwidth allocation.

it still won't trick routers into going unlimited left when it's configured to go to limited right.

and still does not solve "trying to trick water meter by flowing ribena in instead of plain water".

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Mar 3 2017, 07:36 PM)
LOL after i read about EHI and http injector.

really?

pages of google result just for noobs to describe an ancient knowledge in network administrators' handbook.

edit: i'm not putting you down with "noob". but that is just it. it's nothing new to shout about. just that the knowledge is now packaged nicely with GUI.
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that "free internet" in what you describe is "free" as in no firewall stopping you dead in your track, no restriction on where you want to go.

it does not mean "free" as in unmetered bandwidth allocation.

it still won't trick routers into going unlimited left when it's configured to go to limited right.

and still does not solve "trying to trick water meter by flowing ribena in instead of plain water".
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so.. all those ppl selling unlimited data vpn are just bunch of liars??
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post Mar 3 2017, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Mar 3 2017, 07:39 PM)
so.. all those ppl selling unlimited data vpn are just bunch of liars??
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i used purevpn before.

it's unlimited as in the vpn provider does not meter your use of their vpn server.

but the ISP meters you on your way to reach the VPN server.

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if you use windows.

there's an upload/download meter when you view network properties.

imagine that as your ISP metering your usage.

it does not matter whether you use vpn or not, that meter will keep on climbing, right?

because we count the raw bytes that gets transferred, not the application payload that is hidden within those stream of bytes.

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so those who believe vpn can hide their activity, they are correct.

but those who think it also gives you unlimited transfer of bytes, think again.
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post Mar 3 2017, 07:59 PM

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another example:

post office.

they charge you for the weight or based on dimension of package.

but they don't really care what's inside.

same goes for network.

the simplest for them to decide whether it should be youtube unlimited or facebook unlimited or whatsapp unlimited or everything else, is by looking at the IP address of the server you're trying to reach and then discriminate based on that.

even if you use EHI injector, it's unlikely that you'll be smuggling your traffic through a loophole installed in a facebook server's IP address.



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