RKF, you JUST got to bring up the fan-boy argument despite ME being so objective, rational, unbiased and impartial!

Of course I don't go ke-tuk any stupid Operating System. Sure, Mac OS X is unix, its ROCK STABLE (ahem.. just Youtube.com, and you'll see lots of Mac OS X problems!) but its all EYE CANDY, ok? Just pretty graphics slowing down the overall operating system. Windows XP is less graphics eye-candy-esq.... therefore it is faster.

I used to use Hotline to download Mac OS X BETA (that's even before public beta) on my trusty Beige G3/233MHz (costing me RM 12,000 at that time with upgraded parts). Seriously, I'm a hard core Mac user.

You are a Mac Fan Boy. Period.

I've touched Mac OS X 10.0, 10.1 (i skipped 10.2 and 10.3) but I played with 10.4 and the latest 10.4.8 and the 10.5 leaked copies.. I got ALL OF THEM. I know how the Mac works and I know that...

- - - > a Dell laptop with similar config: RM 8000 < - - -
- - - > a Mac book Pro costs RM 11,000 < - - -

If you can afford the Mac Book Pro, go for it.

My arguments thus far, is that, how on earth can you justify a RM 3,000 + differences between these two laptops? I'm thinking of buying one; but can't see a reason to buy a Mac. Maybe you can enlighten me.

it's true... i am planning to get a more powerful laptop after CNY and what you had mentioned about upgrading the DELL do make me think about this issue.

my main concern is the screen and the RAM of the laptops. i am still using the photoshop 7 and i do not fancy using the CSes (yet). oh! nikon capture NX also. but seeing that you mentioned about upgrading the RAMs to 2GB and changing the graphic cards to whatever you mentioned there... i do see your point. mind you, i am a noob when it comes to technical stuffs... therefore, all those numbers and models don't really affect me! lolx

but you argued that there is a RM 3,000 difference and to be honest, it's a lot of money. if it's rm 300, i dont mind paying it for the sake of the james bond-ish design but seeing that i am more particular in getting my photographs done effectively, rather than showing it off... RM 3,000 can get me a... another lens for my camera. or i can keep it in the bank and start to accumulate interest from it... lolx

I dont think Windows XP is faster in anyway, cause you are again not comparing the same thing. Look at Vista, offering the similar thing as Mac OSX, but the processor and memory requirements are way higher than Mac OSX. Try running Vista with the same spec as what we are running Mac OSX with and see which one is faster.

Mac OSX had achieved higher standards with lower requirements where Windows are not capable of, yet.

If we're going to keep talking about operating systems, take a look here: http://www.xvsxp.com/

Fair enough? Pretty objective ratings if you ask me.

I'll get the MBP for the design. Find me a Dell that packs the power of the MBP into a 1" thin chassis, includes a VGA webcam that'll take great stills, and has similar battery life. Rather, find me any laptop that'll match up to those specs. The design is unique, the OS looks beautiful and is also quite functional, and Boot Camp makes it possible to have Microsoft Windows functionality on the sexiest hardware around.

Right. By getting all worked up over a small issue. Over the net. I can literally feel you shouting. Chill, you look pathetic.


For a hardcore Mac user you sure are ignorant, or you're just lying through your bare teeth. I presume the latter to be the case.
1. Have I ever said anything 'bout OSX being "perfect", or "rock stable"? I love it because it is just so much more usable. You can feel much thought has been put into overall user experience, just by using it for a while. As for problems I have hit a few quirks, such as Apps not launching, forever bouncing in the Dock; 100% CPU lockups, Force Quit doing nothing, etc. I don't claim it to be bug free, or perfect- nothing is flawless.

2. Also, it's funny how you assume it would be "stable" just because it "uses unix" (actually, a variant of BSD- Darwin). I've never had a problem with OSX's underlying *nix core.. haven't had a kernel panic, yet. Apps do crash, but they don't bring down the whole OS. Instead of mentioning problems you've encountered- you reference youtube- hardly a reliable source for proof. Strange for a "hardcore mac user" eh?

3. I suggest you read up on OSX's Quartz Compositor/Extreme windowing system, and why MS decided to make Vista's "new" DWM based on that. And how XP's window manager pales in comparison. Just because something is well designed doesn't mean it is *slow*. It's like saying beautiful, CSS-based sites suffers the same problems as age-old Flash sites. On the contrary! CSS was mass adopted so sites would render faster in browsers, while still maintaining overall aesthetics and control. The same goes for OSX.

Being a hardcore Mac user you don't know that? Wow.

Like I mentioned on your other thread:-

I tried customizing a Dell Inspiron 9400 17 inch to compare with MBP 17 inch and problems are:-

1. I cant even customize the Dell to 2.33 C2D, max was 2.16;
2. The Dell offers the X1400 graphics, whereas MBP X1600;
3. Dell's height 1.6 inches vs MBP's 1 inch, Dell's width 15.5 inches vs MBP's 14.1 inches, Dell's depth 11.3 inches vs MBP's 9.6 inches, Dell's weight STARTS at 3.49kg vs MBP's 3.1kg;
4. MBP's backlight keyboard and Apple remote vs Dell's err.. nothing?
5. And with all these differences the Dell's already RM8k+ vs MBP RM10k; and
6. 10 out of 10 would definately agree that the MBP's design and build quality is way better than the Dell.

Anyway this is not meant to be a comparison, just curiosity, cause Apple and Dell is just not comparable, ppl buy Apple for its quality and design, and the only reason ppl buy Dell? CHEAP...

Right on.. sometimes I can't believe people overlook this and get stuck with a gigantic beast of a "laptop"..

Some people never get past the stage where they just HAVE to get out the measuring tape to see who has the bigger/better/sexier/more-value-for-money thingamajig. It was amusing in the kindergarten playground, it was funny in school when you'd compare pencilboxes, it was hilarious in university where you'd brag about girls...

...but it's just sad on this forum when you argue about computers....

Get a life guys... Buy what you can afford, don't give a damn about what others think, but make a wise decision based on the tasks that you need to accomplish with your computer.

yeah agree man. Depends on how you plan to use your comp and also what its for. Then, you'll be able to decide which is the model for you. Dell definitely cheap, but the parts might not be so reliable especially the recent battery burn thing.

Apple is alwiz classy, clean-sexy looks and premium is the word, coz it offers better specs too.

However, since it adopts Intel, I never hear much good things about it, especially rendering huge ads, even with 2gb of memory.

Because it's running thru Rosetta .. Wait till universal binary code thingy ...

Hey Apple's site reports 7x speed increases! That's 700%! Like, a jump from 7 to 700!

Sorry, but you're incorrect regarding the battery issue. It's not limited to Dell laptops only. In fact, there have been reports of Powerbooks going up in flames as well. Blame Sony for production faults in the batteries.

macbook can do boot camp o not ?

All Intel-based Macs does Boot Camp.

Thinking of getting macbook in Jan or Feb (if all goes well ), is there any Mac dealer outside KL or Penang? and also im planning to get the 1.83ghz version so izzit better to upgrade the ram to 1gb myself (buy from outside and install sendiri) or ask the apple peeps to do it (buy from apple and they install it)

Im in Ipoh btw

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This post has been edited by puff: Nov 25 2006, 11:53 PM

To its credit, OSX is stable, but it DOES CRASH.

I've gotten a few kernel panics before. Ironically, while running a beta of MSN Messenger. The screen freezes and gives you this screen in multiple languages (asking you to pray or something that your data is not gone).

OSX DOES CRASH there. said it.



Windows XP, prior to service pack 2, was a mess. I used to reinstall every 3 months as my Inspiron is online 24/7 and is used to surf heavily. Corrupted regsitries, malware, viruses etc.

But, now, after Windows XP sp2 update, windows XP is stable. Dont recall any crashes after sp2. Never had any viruses either. Just using free antivirus, and built in Windows firewall.



Id say, currently, my iBook and Inspiron are equally stable. That's OSX 10.3.9 and XP sp2 (both latest update w/ all security patches)

But my Inspiron does so much more than my iBook. Face it: Apple has some serious compatibility problems. Was a nightmare getting it to work with my printer.

does the macbook feel any laggy cause the video ram jz 64mb ??

No, unless your into gaming ...

How bout yr letting yr printer work under BootCamp??
Will it be the same as all normal windows PC, jz have to install windows' driver for it??

I was thinking of getting a MacBook for my college studies next year as I like the OS and the design after my last visit to the Apple booth in PC fair. Dat guy promoter did a great job explaining and showing everything to me. Well, I can say I was quite impressed. But thinking of compability issue, I didn't thought of it until I see this post.
But what more stuff do I need to plug onto a Mac to make it run smoothly other than a printer and modem/router?? Those USB stuff such as pendrive or card reader should work fine without any hassle......a webcam is included for u alreadi.....so anything else?? If not, worst case scenario will be my printer won't print for a Mac. Network stuff should be easy......

Plz let me knw yr opinion, thx.

This post has been edited by evilhomura89: Nov 26 2006, 11:31 PM