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aMDCoPPeR
post Nov 18 2006, 04:49 PM

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Dude, Photoshop CS2 isn't even Universal Binary yet on Mac. Of course it will suffer in performance compared to Windows.

QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 18 2006, 04:11 PM)
Soon enough, we'll all be on Vista (and future Microsoft releases) while Stevie J and Billy G both play golf and enjoy their happy retirement years while their minions continue what they've both started. Only now, both Apple and Microsoft will work in symphony.
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Sure dude, since you have so much respect for John C. Dvorak. Recently he said that Windows Vista is only copying ideas from Mac OS X and since Apple is running out of ideas... MS will not have anymore ideas to copy too........ So yeah sure.. future MS releases huh.
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post Nov 18 2006, 06:20 PM

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Why get carried away by comparing WIn Xp and Mac OSX? Without a doubt, Both have their pros and cons. But sometimes, It's not all about the performance. In my opinion it's purely Business.

As we know, 95% computer users are Windows based while the rest are mosty using MAC OSX. This suggest that Dell have lots of direct competitors while Mac(in a away) monopolize their own market. Therefore Mac have the power to set market price while Dell will have to depend on the market trend.Yes, Mac might have overcharged their customers, But THEY CAN AFFORD TO DO SO COZ MAC USER CAN AFFORD TO BUY THEM.

Another reason MAC is much more expensive is it's Bundled ORIGINAL OS and SOFTWARES. It's pre installed when you get their Machines and there is noway out of it. It's a smart way to prevent Piracy if u ask me. Though there are still pirated softwares out there, you still have to buy the original at least once from Apple.

As the saying goes, "Once you convert,you will never go back". This indicate that Apple are able to satisfy most of their customer since its establishment. Therefore, It's save to say that most of Apple customers are loyal to them. Apple knows that their Product will sell as long as they stay within their current price range. There is no reason to reduce their price matching PC Machines, unless they want to have a larger piece of "pie" which they are doing it with their Intel chipset at the moment.

All that Ive Wrote above are based on my personal opinion....So it might not be true by nature as there are too many variables...

Some ppl buy Dell some ppl buy Mac.. we are all not in a position to judge each other. Some ppl buy proton some ppl buy BMW, they works the same, bring us from point A to point B. Performance might not be the only reason to choose something. A Pirated LV handbag and an ORiginal one works the same.Some pirated are even better than the originals. But ppl are still buying the expensive stuffs...It all based upon individual preferences and affordability......

Sorry for typing too much...

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post Nov 18 2006, 07:27 PM

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This debate make me laugh over and over again. People keep on debating about Apple vs Dell and Mac OS vs Microsoft and it never ends. Actually I didn't really get what excit3 try to prove here, wether Windows is better than Mac OS or Dell is better than Apple.

As for me I do care what people say, but all the decision is all on my own. And me, I am getting what is best for me as long I can afford it. I only buy original Levi's and Guess jeans because it comfort me better than 'pirated' one *and I can afford it*. But I didn't buy original club or country jersey because I only wear it when play soccer not when hanging with girls so I think it's not worth it *although I can afford the original one*. Oh yes, some people bought Proton Saga because they can't afford BMW *or* they didn't like BMW. Seriously I've met many people like this.

I do admire the HP's laptop, Alienware's PC but I am getting MacBook because it suits me, and I like them. If I have a lot of money, I will surely buy the high-end MBP, high-end PM Xeon, high-end HP Pavillion DV9000T, and Alienware ALX Series tongue.gif

I'm sorry if I'm out of topic but guys, get what I am trying to say?

It is up to you wether want to throw your bucks on Windows and at the same time donate to Gates Foundation or give it to Apple and at the same time help them developing 'future OS' today biggrin.gif

Cheers.
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post Nov 18 2006, 11:15 PM

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Closing arguments

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Lets just settle it this way.

I had too much Dell / Microsoft kool-aid.

You guys have too much Apple kool-aid.

Fan-boyism cannot be cured. Its a disease.

Just buy whatever suits you. But I'm sure deep down you have you own meaning and definition of "value" and "worth".
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post Nov 19 2006, 12:15 AM

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yeah...why argue when it is not your money to buy it?

it's all about preferences on the system. about photoshop cs2...if you are a frequent editor,you will know the reason. no more arguing .thanks
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post Nov 19 2006, 12:23 AM

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What makes you think I DON'T DO Photoshop for my bread and butter????

Are you insulting the 80% of professional Photoshop users on Wintel machines worldwide?

I don't care if you're using the Linux Photoshop equivalent. I'm just pointing out that a 17" dell with same specs costs much much much lesser. Its up to you whether you wanna be screwed in all of this.

I'm not forcing, really.....
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post Nov 19 2006, 10:56 AM

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@excit3: I'm not even arguing. I'm just quoting what is Dvorak saying since you are quoting him saying Mac's will all run Vista soon. Oh btw, I happen to have actually listened to that episode of TWiT podcast of Dvorak discussing about it. That episode is a few months back and what Dvorak said was he's actually SUGGESTING Apple should just concentrate on making the hardware and just install Vista on them. This was because Apple's lead NeXT designer has moved over to work at Microsoft so Dvorak was thinking that Mac OS X may have come to an end. (I personally do not think so.)

And btw, I'm not an Apple FANBOY. Here in aus, I have one AMD machine running Windows XP and Vista (yes the Final Ultimate version - it's out in the wilds). Back in my home in Malaysia I have 1 AMD machine and 1 INTEL machine. I have only a MacBook Pro over here. All in all, I STILL use Windows regularly - mostly for games. I use my MBP mostly for coding and net stuff. In my opinion, Mac is a far much better platform for coding. Windows is a better platform for games.

That is all, this is my closing argument.
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post Nov 19 2006, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 18 2006, 03:35 PM)
I think what's gonna happen is that in 5 years time Mac OS X will be gone, forever. There will be no more future upgrades. Since all the Macs then would be running on Intel, basically, Apple will be running Windows Vista underpinnings but provide a "mod" to make it feel like the Mac. So essentially, you can have FrontRow.exe and iLife.exe but everything will be running on Windows Vista.
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That's like predicting that the whole UNIX base will be gone. I doubt that'll happen. Alternate OSes is where it's all at. Sure, I've been a steadfast user of Microsoft's products, but I can see that there's plenty of life left in the UNIX camp. Mac OS will continue to thrive.
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Nov 18 2006, 11:15 PM)
Closing arguments

Lets just settle it this way.

I had too much Dell / Microsoft kool-aid.

You guys have too much Apple kool-aid.

Fan-boyism cannot be cured. Its a disease.

Just buy whatever suits you. But I'm sure deep down you have you own meaning  and definition of "value" and "worth".
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If u think carefully, this conclusion is already there before you start this thread/argument. smile.gif
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post Nov 19 2006, 10:23 PM

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i wonder what you guys get if you guys win this battle?
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post Nov 19 2006, 10:38 PM

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What's the point of debate, just a matter of budget, someone with a budget of RM5k can get a Dell, HP, Apple or whatever, he can even buy a whole lot of bananas with it, its his choice of what he likes.

We Mac users love our Macs, we dont hate Dell, but its just not comparable, its like how can you compare RM5k worth or bananas with a RM5k computer?
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post Nov 19 2006, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(vandetta @ Nov 18 2006, 07:27 PM)
As for me I do care what people say, but all the decision is all on my own. And me, I am getting what is best for me as long I can afford it. I only buy original Levi's and Guess jeans because it comfort me better than 'pirated' one *and I can afford it*. But I didn't buy original club or country jersey because I only wear it when play soccer not when hanging with girls so I think it's not worth it *although I can afford the original one*. Oh yes, some people bought Proton Saga because they can't afford BMW *or* they didn't like BMW. Seriously I've met many people like this.
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Yup, just get what's best. At a point, i felt that I would be better off with Windows, so I continued using it, but I seriously do miss some stuff that the Mac has to offer - so for me, get the MBP, best of both world.


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i wonder what you guys get if you guys win this battle?
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Nothing, probably some anger here and there while reading/replying other's reply.

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post Nov 20 2006, 03:34 AM

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Any of you guys know any promotions for the macBooks c2d in KL ?
Is there other shops that sell Macbooks cheaper then the usual price ?

Thankz!
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post Nov 20 2006, 04:45 AM

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Apple dont do such things, only possibilities are free gifts or rebates for buying other Apple products. Otherwise its student discounts out of Malaysia.
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post Nov 20 2006, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(cazed @ Nov 20 2006, 03:34 AM)
Any of you guys know any promotions for the macBooks c2d in KL ?
Is there other shops that sell Macbooks cheaper then the usual price ?

Thankz!
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PC fair is just around the corner. I'm sure they gonna have promo for it. Not too sure for the new C2D though as it's new. I'm guessing that their promo should be release by next week. Gonna get myself eitiher a macbook or pro depending on the promo.
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post Nov 21 2006, 09:05 PM

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excit3, do you even own a Mac? Or have at least used OS X to a certain degree? I've met a ton of MS fanboys like ya and frankly, it's all empty talk based on what you have read (articles of other people... better put, blind fanboys much like yourself, Paul Thurott comes to mind...), instead of your own experience. Oh go on, make one up then. Stereotypical fanboy behaviour. Can't be wrong, always right.

Maybe I'm not even worthy to make this statement, but ever since the first time I saw the Tiger welcome video I told myself- this is the beginning of computing bliss for ya man, no more dealing and putting up with bullshit... smile.gif I've never booted back into Windows since. I just can't stand it anymore.

The feeling's just not the same. Give it as chance, experience Macs first hand, without bias or prejudice against the platform.
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post Nov 21 2006, 09:06 PM

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Well actually I have a touch on the Core 2 Duo MacBook Black at CG Computers. I didn't really see a visible difference in the performance. Speed on rendering video is still almost the same.
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post Nov 22 2006, 01:24 AM

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o_O; They don't even have C2D MBPs in stock yet, and they have C2D MBs already? That's surprising.
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post Nov 22 2006, 09:55 AM

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cg is kinda fast, few days after the c2d mbp was released, they already started taking pre-orders..i think the c2d mbp was there in a few weeks time only.

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