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post Jul 7 2015, 01:12 PM

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there's an electricity calculator app for Malaysian household on android which i used to estimate my monthly bill and it's pretty accurate!
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post Jul 7 2015, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Jul 7 2015, 01:12 PM)
there's an electricity calculator app for Malaysian household on android which i used to estimate my monthly bill and it's pretty accurate!
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Can you share which app? I can download on my Samsung note now. hope its a free app.
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post Jul 7 2015, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 7 2015, 01:18 PM)
Can you share which app? I can download on my Samsung note now. hope its a free app.
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it's called My Electricity Calculator by Lazing
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post Jul 7 2015, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 7 2015, 01:12 PM)
RM350 is at my old condo.
now at my double story link it is RM700.
it doesn't look good.
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wow....

Btw inverter aircond only works best if the place is closed and not open air, also affected by the room size.

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jul 7 2015, 01:36 PM
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post Jul 7 2015, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Jul 7 2015, 01:26 PM)
it's called My Electricity Calculator by Lazing
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thanks. I found it. Will donlod shortly.
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 7 2015, 12:31 PM)
EDITED TO ADD WATER HEATER

Hi guys,

Need so input on electricity consumption. I just got my TNB bill and it costs me RM710.40 from 15 May to 15 June. What did I use that could make my bill go so high? Previously, in my old condo, my average bill was RM350.

Back ground information.

I just moved to alam impian in April
It is a 2 story intermediate.
Major electrical items:-

York inverter aircond 1hp x 3 sets = I only use 2 air conditioners from 10pm to 8am (10hours) and from 2pm to 4pm(2 hours) at temp 26c at the lowest fan.
Acson normal aircond 1hp x 2 sets = hardly use
Acson normal aircond 2hp 1 set = hardly use
Grundfos water pump 1.5hp = 1 set which I keep on 24 hours 7 days a week
Electrolux clothes dryer = +/-6 hours a week
Rubine brand built in oven which I use +/-5 hours a week
Rubine brand hood which I use everyday for +/-3 hours a day
Deep oil fryer (no brand) which I use +/- 1 hour a day
LCD 50 inch tv which is kept on from 8am to 10pm (14 hours) everyday (kids)
KDK ceiling fan I use 1 which is kept on from 8am to 11pm (15 hours)
Toshiba 700liter inverter fridge

FORGOT TO ADD:-
1 STORAGE WATER HEATER 35 LITERS
1 STORAGE WATER HEATER 50 LITERS
BOTH USED SPARINGLY

Those I think are the major electrical items which I use daily.
As for the lights in the house, I use 18watt LED downlights for the whole house.

Please help. I need to figure out what is causing such a high electricity bill.

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Lets convert to daily usage

- 2x1hp, x 12 hours usage, assuming you are using 0.4 (assuming 60% the time is off), and ac is 900watt = 8.6Kwh / day
- Grundfos, how long it usually run? Lets assume you run 1.5 hours a day. That about 700Watt * 1.5 = 1.05 Kwh / day
- Cloth dryer, what is the model? Lets assume is 2,200 Watt. you use 6 hours a week. = 6 x 2,200 / 7 = ~1.9Kwh / day
- Oven, what is the wattage? assume 2,200 watt. = 5 x 2,200 /7 = ~ 1.58Kwh / day
- Cooking, what is the wattage? how many burner you use? Lets assume average is 700watt per hours, = 700 x 3 hours = 2.1Kwh / day
- Oil fryer? how many watt? These stuff usually > 1,000 watt. Assuming is 1,00 watt. use use 1 hours. = 1kwh / day
- LCD x 14 hours, assume is 50 watt x 14 = 0.7Kwh / day
- KDK Fan, 15hours x 30watt (assume) = 0.45 Kwh / day
- Storage heater, lets assume you use total of 1.5Hours a day in total of 2 storage = 1.5 x 3,000 watt = 6.0Kwh / day

That already using 23.38 unit per day. Yet to include your fridge, lights, computer, charger, Water boiler?

If your A/C are in open area, meaning it will run longer, can be running 100% all the time too.

Did you switch off the heater when not use?

And how many burner did you wife / maid use during cooking? more burner mean more electricity.


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post Jul 7 2015, 03:05 PM

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Remember, convenient and comfort come with cost.

You can first cut the use of dryer, that is one, and start switching off storage heater when not use. Also reduce the A/C usage. It help keep you healthier too.
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:06 PM

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ok can you please provide the units consumed in old condo and now in new condo? what was the 6-mth average?
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2015, 03:02 PM)
Lets convert to daily usage

- 2x1hp, x 12 hours usage, assuming  you are using 0.4 (assuming 60% the time is off), and ac is 900watt = 8.6Kwh / day
- Grundfos, how long it usually run? Lets assume you run 1.5 hours a day. That about 700Watt * 1.5 = 1.05 Kwh / day
- Cloth dryer, what is the model? Lets assume is 2,200 Watt. you use 6 hours a week. = 6 x 2,200 / 7 = ~1.9Kwh / day
- Oven, what is the wattage? assume 2,200 watt. = 5 x 2,200 /7 = ~ 1.58Kwh / day
- Cooking, what is the wattage? how many burner you use?  Lets assume average is 700watt per hours, = 700 x 3 hours = 2.1Kwh / day
- Oil fryer? how many watt? These stuff usually > 1,000 watt. Assuming is 1,00 watt. use use 1 hours. = 1kwh / day
- LCD x 14 hours, assume is 50 watt x 14 = 0.7Kwh / day
- KDK Fan, 15hours x 30watt (assume) = 0.45 Kwh / day
- Storage heater, lets assume you use total of 1.5Hours a day in total of 2 storage = 1.5 x 3,000 watt = 6.0Kwh / day

That already using 23.38 unit per day.  Yet to include your fridge, lights, computer, charger, Water boiler?

If your A/C are in open area, meaning it will run longer, can be running 100% all the time too.

Did you switch off the heater when not use?

And how many burner did you wife / maid use during cooking? more burner mean more electricity.
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Hi Wei Kee,

My inverter air conds are all in the bedrooms whereas my non inverter air conds are in open spaces like living room and dining room. my bedrooms are +/-250 square feet, hence I am assuming the York inverter 1hp should suffice. I am using the inverters in the bedrooms on a daily basis for about 12 hours a day.

as for the storage water heater, I only switch on when I intend to use and will switch off after taking a shower. it is never on 24 hours 7 days a week.

the only item which is switched on 24 hours 7 days a week is the grundfos water pump. but the water pump, after talking to zheine, only switches on when the taps are open and will auto switch off when the taps are closed.

in terms of burner, my hob is a 3 burner but uses gas, not electricity, so I do not think there is any electrical consumption going on.

My lights are the square 6 inch LED 18 watt downlights. I have about 30 plus but I don't switch on all of them at the same time.

What can I do to cut down my RM710 tnb bill?

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post Jul 7 2015, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2015, 03:05 PM)
Remember, convenient and comfort come with cost.

You can first cut the use of dryer, that is one, and start switching off storage heater when not use. Also reduce the A/C usage. It help keep you healthier too.
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yup, cutting down on the dryer cause now landed property, so less usage definitely.
storage heater only when using. when not in use will always off.
the air-conditioning..i thot using inverters would be cheaper, I guess I am mistaken as I am basically using the same number of hours at my old condo and my new place but my old condo never went above RM400 for the tnb bill.
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:47 PM

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i suppose your meter is the digital type?
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:47 PM

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i share the same concern as you for high electricity usage/bill.
if possible monitor your meter on a daily basis. say you take a reading at 7am, do this everyday at 7am. Then each day you only use certain appliances. I think you can figure out which is the main culprit

to pay more than Rm300 for one particular utility is really ridiculous

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 7 2015, 03:06 PM)
ok can you please provide the units consumed in old condo and now in new condo? what was the 6-mth average?
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I don't have my old tnb receipt from the condo anymore.
As for my new place, I have been there for only 2 months.
but my first month consumption was 1234KWh and the bill was 586.
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i suppose your meter is the digital type?
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yup, meter is the digital type. new housing area in alam impian. it flashes all the time.
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(tuanlam417 @ Jul 7 2015, 12:42 PM)
hi! try removing the ground fos pump!  I can tell from my experience, it consumes a lot of electricity! My dad use to have a fish pond.
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Unlike fish pond, the pump function here is to increase water pressure and it just turn on and off on demand only, I believe
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 7 2015, 03:47 PM)
i share the same concern as you for high electricity usage/bill.
if possible monitor your meter on a daily basis. say you take a reading at 7am, do this everyday at 7am. Then each day you only use certain appliances. I think you can figure out which is the main culprit

to pay more than Rm300 for one particular utility is really ridiculous
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now that is a really good idea.
I will keep a log. 7am every day.
hopefully can see a spike somewhere.
will also get my wife to tell me if she uses any of the heavy electricity usage stuff.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 7 2015, 03:51 PM)
Unlike fish pond, the pump function here is to increase water pressure and it just turn on and off on demand only, I believe
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yup. that is correct. I checked with my seller zheine from builders hardware on the grundfos usage.
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post Jul 7 2015, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 7 2015, 03:52 PM)
yup. that is correct. I checked with my seller zheine from builders hardware on the grundfos usage.
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Other than your appliances, the other major influence that was not mentioned is the space itself. Compare to previous place, how much space difference and how well insulated or confined the space between the two. Inverter or not, this can be major factor of electricity usage by air-conditioner.

I'm not sure why you need to use storage but since you switch off after use, it is not main problem. Leaving it on can make huge difference.
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QUOTE(ajai@jakes @ Jul 7 2015, 03:52 PM)
yup. that is correct. I checked with my seller zheine from builders hardware on the grundfos usage.
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Too much of switching on and off is also wasting electricity. Pump start stop use more energy vs constant running. A pump that run 60 mins non stop use less energy than a pump that run 1 min, stop 1 min for 60 cycle.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 7 2015, 03:59 PM)
Other than your appliances, the other major influence that was not mentioned is the space itself. Compare to previous place, how much space difference and how well insulated or confined the space between the two. Inverter or not, this can be major factor of electricity usage by air-conditioner.

I'm not sure why you need to use storage but since you switch off after use, it is not main problem. Leaving it on can make huge difference.
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well, I was staying in an old 2 story condo with many many trees which afforded enough protection from the sun. my new place, there is hardly any protection from any sun plus, since it is a double story link house, the insulation is somewhat affected as the sun directly shines to our roof, whereas previously, we had the penthouse above us.

in terms of room size, the size is about the same, give or take a couple of square feet.

I am now trying to figure out what is causing the huge jump...



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