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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V68, Have you WUEKEKEKE today?!

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davidke20
post Sep 12 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 12 2015, 05:32 PM)
I went to the workshop to change my brake fluid and the guy says that the brake shoe pump is fault for both sides (he showed me that both cannot move).
i was charged RM140 for both the pump. Is that normal price?
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If BOSCH ori Plotong, it's RM65/piece. If you get ori and include labor for RM140/pair, that is ultra reasonable.
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post Sep 12 2015, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 12 2015, 06:08 PM)
Yup its Bosch for BLM. But the thing is im not sure if this needs changing because its not in the service manual. But the mechanic says this part is very easily spoilt.
I was charged RM212 (inc GST) for Bosch Dot 4 brake fluid, Bosch pair of pump inclusive of workmanship.
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I'd say the price is slightly on the high side, but it's not too expansive. Yes that part is easily spoil especially BLM/FL/FLX/Savvy. For unknown reason, our car easily accumulate dusk on the brake hub assembly. So either every engine oil change service you get the foreman open up the hub and blow dust(probably gonna charge you extra RM20 for that). Or after few years the damn thing rosaked then you change it 1 shot and pay some RM200.
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post Sep 13 2015, 11:15 AM

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Those who always complain about fuel consumption, perhaps this can be a very basic guidance on what you've been doing wrong all these while


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post Sep 13 2015, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 13 2015, 09:05 PM)
you mean i can't rev till red line all the time and brake until smoke comes out from the wheel all the time? sad.gif
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You? Basically I don't even know how did you managed to get your driving license. Say it, you don't care about FC. LRT kinda conering stability and bullet train kinda acceleration is all that matter to you. 1 thing I admire and think you did it right, which is taking a loan for the fancy performance wheels. Nope, not sarcasm. Letting the bank bear the inflation, and you start to enjoy the benefits in before everything price goes up notworthy.gif The only sad truth is, it's not a VIOS sleep.gif
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post Sep 14 2015, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(tehsarbat @ Sep 13 2015, 11:17 PM)
hi. like to seeks some opinion here. currently i'm driving the BOLD for almost 4 years with no big problem and very happy with it. then my daughter planing to have her 1st car. is it worth it to get the GAGA SV PLUS now or better wait for the all new GAGA next year. the only car within her budget.
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When you put the word GaGa together, I think you're qualified Plotong owner and espeically talking about SAGAs since you've been following. So, here's the gig.

It's not worth for a 1st car to buy a new car. Namely for the reasons below:
1) New car came with warranty, and warranty means expansive. You'll have to service at the authorized service centre, which will cost you a bomb.
2) New car means, a lot of butt hurt in terms of depreciation. 1 can have a new car for 45k, after 5 years when your daughter feels it's time for a small upgrade PREVE VIOS, realized the 45k had shrunk to merely 20, set aside the initial deposits/downpayment and bank interest, you'd probably getting back some RM10k or so. How do you think that justify to get another car?
3) Driving in this idiotic country, means new car gets a lot of bump and bruises on regular basis. You may park at shopping mall, happily went for family dinner and after that did some small shopping. By the time you reached your car, you still find it safe and ride it home happily. The next morning when you ready to go to work, realized there's a huge scratched and chipped paint on your rear bumper. Spraying a solid paint bumper will only cost somewhere around 150 ~ 200, but a metalic paint would cost RM350 and above. And that, doesn't guarantee next week when you go shopping it wouldn't happen again. I have no problem with this, because my 2nd hand car bumper were never perfect and usually I leave them as is. The most I did is curse the motherfucker who banged my car.

Enough of rant. Let's talk about benefit of owning a used GaGa, which I'm totally agreed with V12Kompressor
1) By saying your daughter, I believe she wanted an automatic transmission car. GaGa is 1 of the least problem automatic car so far, within given 2nd hand price range. You can compare with Inokom Atos, which clocks around RM12k from the used car dealer, but their transmission if blown would cost you RM11k to fix it(exclude GST). And, 9 out of 10 ATOS on sale now, is having pre-symptoms of transmission failure. Kelisa, has not much problem with the transmission, but the car is too damn old. Would you spend the same amount of money to buy a 2003 car? Oh the engine mounting is failing EVERY YEAR on this 3 cylinder engine.
2) Economy wise. Plotong is 1 of the well known worst resell value brand. Any 1 who talks about resell value of a Plotong, they're an idiot and should buy VIOS. A 4 year old FL is currently running around RM18k. A 5 year old BLM is currently running around RM15k. Pre 2010 models BLM is good at RM10 ~ 14k range. The 1st owner already took all the losses, how bad can the resell value be? You buy 10k after driving 5 years, if you managed to sell it off at 5k, you only loss 5k!!!
3) Safety. It's a theft proof tank. I've seen snatch theft crack MyBi/BiBa windows despite they're cheap car category, but seldom a GaGa. 1 thing is, because the car SO HIGH. Let alone, Plotong S16 is a 3 star NCAP worth safety car.

So, what kinda automatic GaGa we should buy?
1) FLX has better control on CVT transmission. Maintenance wise, it's slightly more expansive an ordinary Automatic. So, if you want an easy maintenance, stick to FL/BLM auto.
2) FLX CVT transmission is way more expansive and lack of servicing parts if the transmission damaged. If you're sending for transmission fluid change, better make sure you use the right oil. Ordinary AT fluid will kill the transmission. FL/BLM uses Mitsubishi automatic transmission. If the damn thing broke, find a nearby Mitshi cousin and swap the tranny and you're good to go. Cheap and fast solution anytime.
3) Fuel efficiency wise, CVT wins big time. FLX CVT fuel consumption yields about the same as manual transmission. So much better then traditional AT.
4) Power delivery, CVT wins big time as the "gear" ratio continuously evolved according to your engine torque output. CVT will continue acceleration anytime anywhere as long your right foot told it to. Buttery smooth accelration, and oftenly lead to unwanted speeding ticket due to comfort acceleration and low engine noise at high speed(can imitate 6 speed transmission yo!)
5) BLM is definitely the oldest model. The newest you can get is 2010 make. Beware of MUDAH seller, which they usually use the REGISTERED year to advertise their trade cars. So if you seen 2011 BLM going cheap, don't be surprise if it's a 2009/2010 car. The look for BLM is slightly aged, your children may not like it. FL, will have a similar outlook with the FLX. If you remove all the badges from the back, majority of the public can't tell whether it's an FL or FLX(except FL got Latte Color which replaced by Gold color in FLX). FLX? Depends on what year you're getting. If it's too new as in 2014, the selling price in MUDAH is calling at 25k high. There are a lot of hidden charges here and there which will add up to 28k close to 29. If you put in bank interests for a 7 years old, the pricing is as much as getting a new SV. Don't forget, purchase of new car entitle to lower interest rate compare to a used car.

So, there you have it. I'm working with insurance company, dealing with used car/dealers is my passion and responsible. I hope the above can be your reference and save some money from the great depreciation of a brand new Plotong.
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post Sep 14 2015, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Sep 14 2015, 01:04 AM)
Hi everyone, I need some recommendation on 3rd party timing belt. What brand is recommended?
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post Sep 14 2015, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Sep 14 2015, 08:45 AM)
3) Executive comes with ABS+EBD also...
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Ah!!! Totally omitted that point. Sorry I should have add it in laugh.gif Nevertheless, getting rid of my Plotong, adjourn to VIOS territory will give me enough of ABS and airbags once loan approved wub.gif I'll see you guys in VIOS thread soon icon_idea.gif
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post Sep 14 2015, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Sep 14 2015, 08:56 AM)
Well said bro... thumbup.gif

Lama x jumpa bro sekalian  biggrin.gif
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post Sep 14 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Sep 14 2015, 09:56 AM)
Sure. no problem. It's just a simple tweak... smile.gif
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Mine, pull the lever, nothing happened. Had to go out of the car use a coin to pry it out sad.gif
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post Sep 14 2015, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 14 2015, 10:17 AM)
Any of you upgraded or tweaked your Blaupunkt HU so that it can read mp3 cds?
Or do i need to change the whole unit? Long time ago there were services to enable normal cd players to read mp3 cds. Is it still possible and where can i do it?
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It's MP3 decoder module. Usually costs around RM60~RM80. Labor depending on individual shop's preference/market demand. No you can't find it anywhere anymore nowadays due to low market demand. Why not just get a USB head unit? Thanks to r3apers, I got this below RM150 wub.gif

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Let's just forget about CDs. If you're real enthusiast, you'd stick to RAW WAVE 24bit CDs, which an MP3 can't compare with regardless how many KBPS your MP3 formatted. A real CD sounded so much better then MP3 if played with the same hardware under same environment. So, if intended to go MP3, might as well forget about the CD player function.

Recommended brands that manufacture low end units as below:
1) Sony - Very powerful pre-staged equalizer, suitable for newbies in sound recognition. However, their well known DIGITAL SOUND STAGING function can be a BAD thing for those who prefer raw sound. When I put 0 on their DSO, it sounded flat. When I put stage 1, it goes fake sleep.gif Wifey likes it and said the stereo sounds like listening to live orchestra, so I can't complain about it.
2) Pioneer - Known as the sound drag king. Regardless how you set the equalizer, their bass is known to be much heavier then the similar range of player. Good for young punk who likes Techno/Trance. This 1 I liked for many years, but usually I'll go -2 on the BASS setting
3) Kenwood - Clarity says it all. Very good cruising player as their sound staging mainly focus on the mid range. Good for pakcik style listening to FM stations cruising to/from work. If you're going to have this, do make sure spend a little bit more to get their tweeter. Kenwood KFC tweets the live environment VIVIDLY!
4) JVC - Nothing special. It has everything, but you'll need to discover and fiddle with it to find out every little function. Another plus point, this is 1 of the cheapest branded player I can find in the market below RM150.
5) China brand - Just like the JVC. But usually these range of player have very little flexibility, which you can really tweak their sound. For ordinary people, just to get their MP3 stuff in and start playing and not talking about sound staging, yes you can get the job done below RM100 with these players.
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post Sep 14 2015, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 14 2015, 11:25 AM)
Thanks for the advice, david. I think i'll just find a normal JVC head unit like yours.
I've seen this particular model for around that price too but not sure if its inclusive of installation.
Where can you recommend me to get this installed in KL?

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Installation usually excluded, and will cost like 40-50. My suggestion is, ask the installer DO NOT cut the stock player wire socket. Ask them to tap the wire from the original wiring so you keep the original socket inside the car. In the event of change car in future, you can simply pull off the JVC player wires from the car, plug back the original player so your JVC player can follow you very long time to come wub.gif

You may find HIT AUDIO / BROTHERS these kinda one stop accessories shop. They usually don't dare to slaughter customer since they're chain stores. You may not get the best workmanship since they're not professional, but rest assured you don't get conned by PROFESSIONALS that always tells you this not enough, that sound like crap and in the end you paying a lot more then you budgeted. nod.gif
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post Sep 14 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Sep 14 2015, 11:49 AM)
Kena caj la bang  doh.gif
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post Sep 15 2015, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Sep 15 2015, 12:14 AM)
davidke20 thanks for the short meet up yea sifu smile.gif
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post Sep 15 2015, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 14 2015, 11:55 AM)
i am an enthusiast and i am perfectly fine with mp3 since i am lazy to load my phone up with FLAC and BT/analog (double or even triple amping though lol) hook up.

and the car audio scene does lack support on FLAC format lol.

but hey, quick googling:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Pre...Flagship+Models
woohoo XD

max_cjs0101
if you have the budget, i'd recommend sticking with either big brands alpine/pioneer. cost around/almost twice than JVC, however if you're willing to go with used (eg: automotive garage), that can easily offset the cost as well.
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Let's get the point straight. The JVC unit I've bought below RM150 indeed FLAC compatible. Let's just say, you're an MP3 enthusiast. I'm not talking about flagship model or highend audio system. Put it in practical term, how many of our road user would even care to buy original 24k CD and change them every 60 minutes and or keep repeating the same disc? For an ordinary/regular traveler, a USB player will do just the job.

Don't forget, the original question was whether can incorporate the MP3 decoder into the stock player. This said, he's not an audiophile. He just wanted a cheaper solution to what he needed, MANY SONGS SHUFFLING GOING ON FOR LONG HOURS/DAY/MONTHS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF BURNING/CHANGING CDS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

Agreed on the yard sale higher end unit at lower cost. The only trouble is, these are electronics. Like buying used mobile phones, wouldn't know what to expect. For myself, unless the model I'm going purchase has been thoroughly studied, the person who sell it is accountable, I don't mind paying anything not more then RM100(talking about mid/high range player).
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 15 2015, 10:35 AM)
btw, i didnt know that the JVC is supporting FLAC. which particular model again?
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Lazy to choi 9 u whistling.gif When people suggesting something, sure you come in and tell people go buy hi-end. U think every1 can borrow money from bank to upgrade car like u and me bai VIOS meh whistling.gif

Nah! Sendiri baca.
http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=...thId=139&page=2

Until today, I still can't find a reason why should I need a CD receiver when there's so many MP3 songs can be played with my USB receiver. Besides, ask around OUR GaGa Exec owners which came together with USB port MP3 reader, do they play their CD driver even once? Probably rosaked already since bought car until today never touch before whistling.gif

Again, the fact is we drive Plotong GaGa, we don't need expansive stuff. Those who need expansive stuff, they won't ask for mending the stock machine with an MP3 decoder. Fail suggestion bro sleep.gif
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post Sep 15 2015, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Sep 15 2015, 05:02 PM)
I don't, Daisy has never had a CD in her slot under my ownership, I just bung a USB drive into her port. I haven't even played a CD at home for over a decade.
A road vehicle isn't the place for hi-fi as there's 70 dB of background noise to bugger things up, but nevertheless I certainly don't have golden ears imaginary or real, and never notice any difference in files done with more than 128 kb/s even though I rip my own stuff at 192 these days.
This thread even prompted me to do an on-line hearing test (plenty exist) and I'm good (no problems) until 4000 Hz then some loss at 6000 Hz, and by 8000 Hz it's very sad (or my cheap headphones are crap) but as much as that would be a horror tale for many frankly I don't care as there's nothing above 4000 Hz that makes for good listening.
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Fuck yeah! All the way with MP3!!! For unfortunate BLM owners and FL below exec specs, all change to cheap plug MP3 receiver enough icon_idea.gif 128kb for the win!!! wub.gif
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post Sep 15 2015, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 15 2015, 12:49 PM)
i need HU with CD support  vmad.gif
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Nah. Sendiri tengok bawah. SQ player, live recording punya efek brows.gif

QUOTE(Bazinga! @ Sep 15 2015, 01:22 PM)
everyone finding new head unit, i still maintain burn cd's once a month.. cry.gif  cry.gif
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post Sep 15 2015, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Sep 15 2015, 05:18 PM)
today's topic make me miss my car cd player.
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This 1 also CD brows.gif
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Sep 15 2015, 09:33 PM)
Everyone with high end HU...T_T
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You don't need our kinda HU, all you need is e-lite kinda HU. Not only it's providing eargasm kinda satisfactory, in fact after he changed HU he got rebate nod.gif Try his kar, you'll love it wub.gif
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post Sep 15 2015, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 15 2015, 06:35 PM)
wa apasal so many P99 woh... that HU alone can buy a whole saga/iswara lol.
(yes it's over 4k lol)

focal utopia a and JL audio a...?
that one can buy my entire inspira already if considering complete soundproof/full setup sweat.gif
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since ebibodi is talking about high end machine and CD receiver is NEEDED whistling.gif Might as well... whistling.gif

I'm not an SQ guy. The best I had was Matsushita Panasonic FAO series can't remember something like 3217 or 3127 or something(mixed up with my Nokia 3210 I think). Very good quality head unit came with auto reverse function, many of an enthusiast dying to have that kind of function wub.gif Not to mention, there is already low pass output that allowed me connect to my equalizers without having to adjust gain to reduce distortion. Power delivery wise, powered by my same brand Panasonic SG60 or something worth 4x50watts output! Can you imagine?! Whilst many other power grid out there are struggling to pump up their 15w x stereo, I'm happily pumping 4 channels wub.gif

Speakers wise, running on a pair of Morel 2 way 6x9 at the back, can't remember the specs at all. Another set of Jensen component active crossover powered by 2" tweeter + 3" mid at the door panel. Still remember me and dad shut the door at the porch, turned on our 4G15 engine with minimal aircond settings. Having a good time listening to this:



Seriously, can't find back the feeling anymore despite today's MP3 is so much clearer the sound then the cassettes, but it just doesn't have the kinda feeling anymore. Only if you understand the kinda feeling when 1 anticipating the next song with the PSSSSSSSSS sound from the background, and suddenly everything goes silent and music comes. It's a W O W rclxm9.gif

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