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post Nov 11 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 11 2021, 10:26 AM)
"i ask bro to buy pc for me... I paid him back... I'm using the pc" ... yes you can claim, if kena audit probably can explain and show proof... as you didn't intend to cheat

"I found this receipt... let me claim... reduce tax... hahaha"... no you should not claim... but good luck if kena audit
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so basically IRB will ask you to show the physical gadget that you purchased during audit?

Not just based on original documents only (Receipt)
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post Nov 11 2021, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 11 2021, 12:35 PM)

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yes, my wife is a working individual who pays tax as well. The reason why I want to take in the claim on my side is because my tax savings will be higher.

I think I will try to justify to LHDN if necessary that I legitimately bought the laptop which is registered under her name as I want her to be the rightful registered owner of the laptop.

I will also show them that my wife didnt claim that receipt under her tax filing... Fair enough I guess
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post Apr 5 2022, 07:20 AM

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How long does it take usually to process refund of tax after submitting the assessment?

I submitted on 20th march and still no news on my refund
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post Apr 5 2022, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(Sheng890624 @ Apr 5 2022, 07:52 AM)
Relax...there's a lot submitted earlier than you are still yet receive the refund

Wonder why this year take longer than usual  confused.gif
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Yeah, i remembered last year was quite fast for LHDN to process the refund.

Thats why i was just wondering hahaha
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post Aug 8 2022, 12:57 PM

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One questions about buy-outs from companies.

Lets say company A(NEW EMPLOYER) bought me out 2 months salary in lieu from company B (EX EMPLOYER). I paid to Company B on behalf of Company A and claim reimbursement from Company A for the 2 months.

Now, I heard that Company B will declare this reimbursement as my gross income in my EA form / payslip. Which means I need to pay tax on the income that I have not earned (2 months)??

Is that true?

Isn't that already double deduction? Company B (EX EMPLOYER) is the one that has earned the income? and should be taxable for them?

How come the employee still need to pay income tax on the income that he / she has not earned as the money didnt go to them at all.

In my opinion:

Company A can claim 2 months tax deduction on buy-out as a business expense for Corporate Ta.

Company B will need to declare as other income and pay corporate tax on the income received of 2 months.

Employee should not need to fork out any tax payable since no expense was incurred since it is reimbursed & no income earned since it is paid to company.

Please correct me if I am wrong,

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post Aug 8 2022, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 8 2022, 01:08 PM)
My uneducated or qualified comment.
If it is added in as your income derived from company B (Yr ex company),.... Then since company A (Yr new company), will be paying for it (as buy out),.. Then I think the new company will also need to add that amount into your income derived from them,... Maybe under orerequisite of employment benefits.
So double taxation for you?
Thus better get the confirmation instead of "I heard".

In the meantime, try this for some added info
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...Y88NSBJ4VunwxlF

More
https://www.google.com/search?q=employment+...mobile&ie=UTF-8
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I did read up the links that you provided to me as I have googled them already.

But Company B (EX Company) never pay me the notice period of 2 months since I never served them. So I paid them to let me go to join the new Company A and claimed reimbursement from them.

So in my position, Net Income & Expense is NIL. But I am told that I need to pay TAX on the 2 months notice as they will declare as GROSS INCOME. I am thinking why I need to pay since I dont earn any income on that 2 months also.

Company B should be the one who pays corporate tax as taxable income right since they received monies from me / Company A

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post Aug 8 2022, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 8 2022, 01:25 PM)
When you pay them that 2 months hopefully you will get a receipts mentioning that it was for "payment in lieu if notices", or ask advice from new company?
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I have the receipt from my BANK ACCOUNT Maybank to state the purpose is for salary in lieu notice payment.

I have submitted the said receipt for the new company to reimburse me back for the money I paid on behalf of them.

Now, they will declare it as my gross income for the buy-out payment.

But to my understanding, my net impact is NIL. Why need to pay TAX on INCOME that i didnt even earn in the first place? Net impact is NIL
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post Aug 8 2022, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 8 2022, 01:42 PM)
From info from your few postings,
My guess, just guess is that,
most probably your ex company made a mistake,...

Now you will most probably kena 2x taxes for that amount๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
Increases of income derived from both companies.
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My previous company got no mistake as they pay me until my last day which is not including the 2 months salary in lieu.

But i am puzzled on how it is my benefit when the salary in lieu payment doesnt even go to my pocket but i need to pay tax on the gross income that I didnt received?
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post Aug 8 2022, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 8 2022, 01:51 PM)
Oh, my bad, if that is the case, then maybe now my guess is this.

(they pay me until my last day which is not including the 2 months salary in lieu.)

If example,
Ex company,
Resignation notice is 2 months
You must work till Dec 20 but you decided to leave in Oct 20.
You worked physically 10 months (Jan - Oct 20) with them. They pay you 10 months n you get 10 months income.

Then you start to work in new company during the early departure from ex company ( start work from Nov 20)

You worked physically 10 months in ex company + 2 months in new company.
Total months worked is 12 months in a year.

your total income for the year is 10 months (ex company) + 2 months income salary from new company + 2 months buy out payment from new company = 14 months income,
but Then you paid ex company 2 months in the form of payment in lieu of notice. ( Nov- Dec 20) with money from new company
So also end ups 12 months income in a year
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Yeah I know total is 12 months income in a year.

But from Nov - Dec 20, that 2 months, I have paid the previous company and get reimbursement from new company. Net impact is NIL. But how come I still need to pay for the taxes of the 2 months which I didnt even get the income?

haha this is what puzzles me and quite unfair?
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post Aug 8 2022, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(1mr3tard3d @ Aug 8 2022, 02:47 PM)
highly doubt that the company B will declare 'the payment in lieu of notice' as your employment income
however, it is definitely part of your employment income with company A
paragraph 6.17
in layman's terms, your employment benefit from company A
you, instead of company A, breached the employment contract with company B
therefore, you are liable for the payment in lieu of notice instead of company A
since company A is generous/desperate enough to reimburse the compensation, it is considered as income deriving from exercising your employment at company A
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Wow, so in directly, what you meant is:

Buy-out is actually at the expense of the employee even though the new company was the one that wants you to join early to help out with the business.

So there is a cost of buy out for the employee which is the tax portion of the buy-out?
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post Aug 9 2022, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(1mr3tard3d @ Aug 9 2022, 02:40 AM)
there are two perspectives in this regard
i) compensation you paid : as a result of breaching employment contract, your expense/outgoing
ii) reimbursement paid by the new company : incentive to induce you to commence employment, employment expense (allowed as deduction from business gross income)
just in case you are wondering if the buy-out expense can be deducted to arrive at the adjusted income
the payment in lieu of notice you paid to former company would be challenging to claim deduction under s33(1) as the expense is incurred prior to your new employment (which is not in the production of gross income / is capital in nature)


perhaps should be weighed against the opportunity cost (salary increment/new working environment/better employee benefit?)
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I didn't know that I need to pay for the tax of buying out as the company told me that they will select another candidate if I am unable to join them immediately.

But in my own opinion there is no income generated on this transaction on my end because the new company that pays the buy out can claim tax deduction as a business expense whereas the ex company received the income and pays corporate tax on it.

So if you tax the employee again on so called benefits or income. Don't you think it is double taxed?
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post Aug 9 2022, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 8 2022, 04:20 PM)
you get the reimbursement from new company....that will be input as part of your income from your new company...thus would be subjected to taxes as per attached info

btw, i am more puzzled by "why Company B (ex company) will declare your payment in lieu of notice to them, as part of your gross income (from them) in your EA form / payslip?".
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They say they will declare as a benefit in the EA form. Which also means taxable on the buy out amount lol

I know that is the law but it is unfair as I don't receive any income lol.
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post Aug 9 2022, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 9 2022, 06:59 PM)
I think I am starting to see what you meant. Lol

But If you, just if you,..
Ex company pays you 5k
New company pays you 10k..
If you did not leave early but continued to work 2 more month with old company... You get 10k more.
But if you take the buy out offer, you start work in new company, 2 months earlier, you get 20k
๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค‘
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How I wish if my situation is equivalent to what you have just described.

Haha my increment is not even 10 percent.

I jumped because the role was interesting. I want to upgrade my skillset.

But at the end seems like an expensive course...

Would it be considered as a double taxation in your opinion?
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post Aug 10 2022, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(1mr3tard3d @ Aug 10 2022, 03:20 AM)
no, i would not consider this as double taxed
the nature of buyout involves two transactions even if the new company pays directly to the former company (the new company is merely paying on behalf of you)
the compensation is not business expense as there is no contract (connection) between your new company and former company
hence,
i) compensation you paid : other income for former company due to breach of employment contract by you; your private expense
ii) reimbursement paid by the new company : employment income for you; employment expense for new company
they are not same source of income
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Thanks for the comments and feedback.

But I think there is no way around this by that looks of it.

I think all I can learn from this lesson is don't be pressured by new company on buy outs because you need to bare the tax portion of that buy out which means there is a switching job cost involved for the employee

Cheers and have a great day everyone

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