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post Oct 29 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 27 2015, 05:24 PM)
we are requesting for EGM, even we manage to gather more than 30% petition request for EGM, but under new Act 757, the 25% is aggregate share unit instead of parcel...meaning we have another 2 phases still under construction and even unsold..how can we include them? what a joke...
can anyone advise or confirm if this is true?
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The JMB/MC is individual strata property matter, other phase of property project should be having their individual JMB/MC.



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post Oct 29 2015, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 29 2015, 10:41 AM)
The JMB/MC is individual strata property matter, other phase of property project should be having their individual JMB/MC.
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the problem now is still under master title, total 6 phases, 4 handed over, lastest phase vp in June/Aug 2 mths ago, another 2 phases will be VP 2-3 yrs from now. Developer is applying strata title for these 4 phases recenlty.
so now under master tile means only 1 JMB for all phases?
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post Oct 29 2015, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 29 2015, 11:07 AM)
the problem now is still under master title, total 6 phases, 4 handed over, lastest phase vp in June/Aug 2 mths ago, another 2 phases will be VP 2-3 yrs from now. Developer is applying strata title for these 4 phases recenlty.
so now under master tile means only 1 JMB for all phases?
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The question is the 6 phase is separated, or within the same compound?

Individual phase or property within its vicinity should have their own JMB/MC, but not a JMB/MC manage all the properties.


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post Oct 29 2015, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 29 2015, 11:47 AM)
The question is the 6 phase is separated, or within the same compound?

Individual phase or property within its vicinity should have their own JMB/MC, but not a JMB/MC manage all the properties.
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This is mix development on 1 small land, got street mall, apartment, soho, retails... just like icon city in PJ, under 1 land built by 1 developer...
Phase 2 & 3 (apartment) share facilities and share guard house, Phase 1 & 4 are streetmall & retails + Soho, no guard hse and independent facilities..
Phase 5 is under construction - apartment
Phase 6 is also under construction, Block A is soho + retails, Block B is apartment.

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QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 29 2015, 12:16 PM)
This is mix development on 1 small land, got street mall, apartment, soho, retails... just like icon city in PJ, under 1 land built by 1 developer...
Phase 2 & 3 (apartment) share facilities and share guard house, Phase 1 & 4 are streetmall & retails + Soho, no guard hse and independent facilities..
Phase 5 is under construction - apartment
Phase 6 is also under construction, Block A is soho + retails, Block B is apartment.
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Strata management is not about 1 land 1 JMB/MC.

There are many buildings that were previously built in 1 land but with several buildings that having their own MC.
They are not related once being stratified.

Generally, only those properties shared the facilities and compound will be under the same management or MC. (in above eg, 2 & 3)
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QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 27 2015, 05:24 PM)
we are requesting for EGM, even we manage to gather more than 30% petition request for EGM, but under new Act 757, the 25% is aggregate share unit instead of parcel...meaning we have another 2 phases still under construction and even unsold..how can we include them? what a joke...
can anyone advise or confirm if this is true?
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In your SPA, aside from the layout of your parcel unit, the strata plan also lays out the entire plan for your phase.

If you r a committee member, try and lookup the strata plan/title. It should define the specific parameter and coverage of your JMB/MC.

Am pretty certain, the coverage won't extend beyond your current phase.

QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 27 2015, 05:30 PM)
Under the new Act 757, the JMC has full power? they can make any major decision even involve huge spending? it is all depends on the JMC if they want to call for EGM to get consent from owner or not?
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the maintenance account is use for daily operational requirements, whereas the sinking fund is used for items that are required for "capital expenditure".

there is no requirement to call for an EGM or include as an agenda in AGM to seek approval from parcel owners before the JMB/MC can dip into either the maintenance or sinking funds.

However, the act is pretty strict and defines the parameters/purposes in which the funds may be used for.

Two relevant provisions are:
(a) sections 23 and 24 for JMB; and
(b) sections 60 and 61 for MC.

23. Joint management body to establish maintenance account
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24. Joint management body to establish sinking fund account
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post Oct 31 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 29 2015, 01:23 PM)
Strata management is not about 1 land 1 JMB/MC.

There are many buildings that were previously built in 1 land but with several buildings that having their own MC.
They are not related once being stratified.

Generally, only those properties shared the facilities and compound will be under the same management or MC. (in above eg, 2 & 3)
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second schedule section 11 (2)(a), the 25% is based on "aggregate share units"
Part I interpretation of "aggregate share units" means
(a) in relation to a building or land intended for subdivision into parcels, the sum of the allocated share units of the parcels or proposed parcels, including a provisional block, in a development area[U]; or
(b) in relation to a subdivided building or land, the sum of the share units of the parcels, including a provisional block, as shown in the strate register prepared and maintained by the Registrar under the Strata Titles Act 1985.

how do you interpret 'provisional block' here?

To our JMC, they said they are the JMC of the "development", not only respective phase

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post Oct 31 2015, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 29 2015, 05:10 PM)
In your SPA, aside from the layout of your parcel unit, the strata plan also lays out the entire plan for your phase.

If you r a committee member, try and lookup the strata plan/title. It should define the specific parameter and coverage of your JMB/MC.

Am pretty certain, the coverage won't extend beyond your current phase.
the maintenance account is use for daily operational requirements, whereas the sinking fund is used for items that are required for "capital expenditure".

there is no requirement to call for an EGM or include as an agenda in AGM to seek approval from parcel owners before the JMB/MC can dip into either the maintenance or sinking funds.

However, the act is pretty strict and defines the parameters/purposes in which the funds may be used for.

Two relevant provisions are:
(a) sections 23 and 24 for JMB; and
(b) sections 60 and 61 for MC.

23. Joint management body to establish maintenance account
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24. Joint management body to establish sinking fund account
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The JMC said they are JMC of whole development (All phases comprises of built, unbuilt or building..), they transfered nearly RM 300K from Phase 3 to phase 1 & 2 without phase 3 owners/JMC of phase 3 consent.. they said it is legal as it is under JMB account..
anyway, they have returned abt RM 150k to phase 3 in past 2 mths..

what do you think?

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QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 31 2015, 02:25 PM)
The JMC said they are JMC of whole development (All phases comprises of built, unbuilt or building..), they transfered nearly RM 300K from Phase 3 to phase 1 & 2 without phase 3 owners/JMC of phase 3 consent.. they said it is legal as it is under JMB account..
anyway, they have returned abt RM 150k to phase 3 in past 2 mths..

what do you think?
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You need to escalate this issue to COB.

It is odd to see there is a "master" JMC to start with, and this is the first time I heard such a situation.

If the JMC is the "master" JMC, then the whole fund is used to manage all the phase properties, why there are "transfer" the money in between phases?
So it doesn't make sense in this matter.


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post Oct 31 2015, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 31 2015, 04:03 PM)
You need to escalate this issue to COB.

It is odd to see there is a "master" JMC to start with, and this is the first time I heard such a situation.

If the JMC is the "master" JMC, then the whole fund is used to manage all the phase properties, why there are "transfer" the money in between phases?
So it doesn't make sense in this matter.
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Yes, COB is fully aware on this matter and said nothing.
Phase 2 got VP abt 1.5 yrs and during the 2nd year AGM in March 2015, the phase account is in deficit, so they transferred the funds from phase 3 without passing JMC meeting and no resolution has been signed.

Phase4 has just VP in July 2015, and this 'master' JMC forcing Developer to transfer phase 4 account to JMB..
However, during the 2nd year AGM of the whole land, the MF increased of 32% and this hike applied to Phase 4 as well. That's mean before they got their VP, their maintenance fee already increase without any phase 4 owner consent...
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QUOTE(gabby0140 @ Oct 31 2015, 08:45 PM)
Yes, COB is fully aware on this matter and said nothing.
Phase 2 got VP abt 1.5 yrs and during the 2nd year AGM in March 2015, the phase account is in deficit, so they transferred the funds from phase 3 without passing JMC meeting and no resolution has been signed.

Phase4 has just VP in July 2015, and this 'master' JMC forcing Developer to transfer phase 4 account to JMB..
However, during the 2nd year AGM of the whole land, the MF increased of 32% and this hike applied to Phase 4 as well. That's mean before they got their VP, their maintenance fee already increase without any phase 4 owner consent...
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It still doesn't make sense to have phase 1,2,3,4 account.
Maintain it separately while money can be transferred between, seems defy the logic of managing of maintenance fund.

I had seen a MC managed 2 building in a single compound land aka a MC for 2 buildings, it has only 1 account that managing between the 2 building, no such thing of A building account, B building account, everything done collectively.

If it has one MC/JMC, it should have one account to maintain all the phases of properties.

While seeking COB for assistance, owners may as well seek Adun/MP and media to report on the matter to see anything can be done on it and whether it properly fulfill the strata title act by managing like that.



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Dear All, can we paste the accounts at the notice board of the management office for entire units for transparency purposes.
like table below :

Unit No Maintaince Water Assesment Insurance Interest Total
A1-G1-1
A1-G1-2

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Hi all.
I have a question about MC AGM.
Based on the 1st day of MC AGM, the maximum number of months before having the next AGM is 15months from the 1st day of previous MC AGM.
If the period of 15 months has passed and next MC AGM is delay due to SOA (Statement of Account) is not completed or/and audit ... etc... excuses ...
What action can be taken? Should the current MC be penalised for this delay?
Please advise.
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QUOTE(earthcrystal @ Nov 5 2015, 05:17 PM)
Hi all.
I have a question about MC AGM.
Based on the 1st day of MC AGM, the maximum number of months before having the next AGM is 15months from the 1st day of previous MC AGM.
If the period of 15 months has passed and next MC AGM is delay due to SOA (Statement  of Account) is not completed or/and audit ... etc... excuses ...
What action can be taken? Should the current MC be penalised for this delay?
Please advise.
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Unfortunately, the tribunal is not up yet (not sure when or will it ever be up). You can file a claim with the tribunal to compel the MC to convene an AGM. Avoid fines or penalties because ultimately the community ends up forking the bill.

p/s: i didn't see any sanctions in the Act itself for delays in commencing an AGM.

The best way would be to complain to your local COB, also enquire whether the tribunal has been set up or otherwise.

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aurora, can we do this? thanks

QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 5 2015, 04:49 PM)
Dear All, can we paste the accounts at the notice board of the management office for entire units for transparency purposes.
like table below :

Unit No Maintaince Water Assesment Insurance  Interest Total
A1-G1-1           
A1-G1-2
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 5 2015, 04:49 PM)
Dear All, can we paste the accounts at the notice board of the management office for entire units for transparency purposes.
like table below :

Unit No Maintaince Water Assesment Insurance  Interest Total
A1-G1-1           
A1-G1-2
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my condo display defaulters list ie outstanding >3 months

also block their access cards so have to register as visitor
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ic, i just visited a condo, they post all units. and also they post they monthly financial standing. just want some insight if it ok to do. then we will force the ma to proceed.

QUOTE(ycs @ Nov 7 2015, 07:45 AM)
my condo display defaulters list ie outstanding >3 months

also block their access cards so have to register as visitor
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 5 2015, 04:49 PM)
Dear All, can we paste the accounts at the notice board of the management office for entire units for transparency purposes.
like table below :

Unit No Maintaince Water Assesment Insurance  Interest Total
A1-G1-1           
A1-G1-2
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I have seen many condo paste their monthly account on the noticeboard.
There is nothing to hide actually, if being run properly.

Pasting the monthly account is good for transparency as well as let all the owners knows the financial state of the JMB/MC, to avoid whenever there is deficit time, people accused something.
While if needed to raise maintenance fee time to cover the deficit, it is easier to tell all the owner.

Last time there was a condo pasted the defaulter list, but some complained the list embarrass them, so the MC came out a better way, put a chart with every unit with months box, once the unit paid, the box being highlighted in yellow, indicated status paid.
So those unit without yellow colour one, automatically everyone knew the unit defaulted since when. whistling.gif
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great, i would want my MA to do post at notice board the monthly account and status for all units at the notice board.

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I have seen many condo paste their monthly account on the noticeboard.
There is nothing to hide actually, if being run properly.

Pasting the monthly account is good for transparency as well as let all the owners knows the financial state of the JMB/MC, to avoid whenever there is deficit time, people accused something.
While if needed to raise maintenance fee time to cover the deficit, it is easier to tell all the owner.

Last time there was a condo pasted the defaulter list, but some complained the list embarrass them, so the MC came out a better way, put a chart with every unit with months box, once the unit paid, the box being highlighted in yellow, indicated status paid.
So those unit without yellow colour one, automatically everyone knew the unit defaulted since when.  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 5 2015, 04:49 PM)
Dear All, can we paste the accounts at the notice board of the management office for entire units for transparency purposes.
like table below :

Unit No Maintaince Water Assesment Insurance  Interest Total
A1-G1-1           
A1-G1-2
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Judging from the response, I believe what you are referring to is the defaulters list.

My condo normally post people who have outstanding for more than 3 months, also the amount is usually one lump sum (rather than a breakdown).

There are those who argue that it infringes the Personal Data Protection Act.

A side note... of late defaulters have become law savvy...

I have enquired with the PDPA Commission as to whether the PDPA applies to condominium as well? Though there seem to be hints that it does, the enforcement and guidance on this subject matter is a bit sketchy.

QUOTE(ycs @ Nov 7 2015, 07:45 AM)
my condo display defaulters list ie outstanding >3 months

also block their access cards so have to register as visitor
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I will go one step further, it is known certain condo management practice either "disconnecting" or "managing" the default owner's water supply. Again defaulters have suddenly become law savvy and argued it is their basic human rights etc...

Recent amendment to the legislation (forgot the name, will update once i find it) now requires Condo to switch from bulk water meter to individual water meter (direct to owner).

http://www.thestar.com.my/Metro/Community/...re-for-nothing/


QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Nov 7 2015, 08:25 AM)
ic, i just visited a condo, they post all units. and also they post they monthly financial standing. just want some insight if it ok to do. then we will force the ma to proceed.
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don't understand the last part highlighted in bold.

Publishing of minutes is mandatory under Schedule 2, however publishing of monthly financial standing isn't. You can tell your MC is a good practice to adopt but if they know their stuff, they should be able to decline your request.


QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 7 2015, 04:23 PM)
I have seen many condo paste their monthly account on the noticeboard.
There is nothing to hide actually, if being run properly.

Pasting the monthly account is good for transparency as well as let all the owners knows the financial state of the JMB/MC, to avoid whenever there is deficit time, people accused something.
While if needed to raise maintenance fee time to cover the deficit, it is easier to tell all the owner.


Last time there was a condo pasted the defaulter list, but some complained the list embarrass them, so the MC came out a better way, put a chart with every unit with months box, once the unit paid, the box being highlighted in yellow, indicated status paid.
So those unit without yellow colour one, automatically everyone knew the unit defaulted since when.  whistling.gif
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Highlighted in bold.

Our condo never experienced deficit but by the time the ex-chairman was caught pillaging the maintenance/sinking fund, the condo has only about RM 200K in cash in bank with no sinking fund. How does one sustain 432 Condominium units with RM 200K?

Anything is possible i guess? thumbup.gif

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