tagging this for future refrenece, i just voluntarily join the JMC.

aurora97, thanks, is there any books/hard copy for this? easier to make refrence. previous MC, might look to have missapproprate with some funds. honestly this is cheap apartment, where many issue - parking, roof leakage, lax security etc.

thanks again aurora for the pdf files. problem with my place is its consist of 1.2k unit low rise apt n town house. every agm also like less than 50 ppl attend. more of peoples mentality here

i look at the collection, doesnt seem bad for previous yrs. but not sure in the near future, the devoleper just release their holding unit which is 300 units. thats about 25% of the contribution which is paid ontime.

Hi all, just has my first meeting as a comittee now, i miss the first one last month. some info about our apartment currently the management agent has been there for last 4-5 yrs. i am having a situation that seem like our new chairman, secretary and the management agent trying to collude to milk the fund.

1st previous certain mc member currently been investigated by sprm(info from chairman n MA)
2nd but currently MA say/claim knowledge that they are aware of that but not involved (i believe there also collude previously)
3rd the current chairman and secretary, was previously suspended due to fraud/extortion (there are just commitee previously). egm was held to dispelled them, ended with suspension only last year.
4th when the egm held previously, it seems like tha MA ia agreeable that the 2 are doing wrong/trying to convict.
5th, but now the table seem to turn around that MA and the two is very good and kamcheng, come to agreement that previous MC did alot of wrongdoing instead and they are clean.
6th current MA not very keen to furnish all infomation that we need. such as contract agreements, MOM for past years, account informations, expenditure breakdowns.
7th i got into heated argument with MA that implying new MC is accusing them, when we requested them to furnish documents we needed.
8th chairman and secretary is defending the MA. (seems like foe turn friends)
9th parking issue, they blame the previous MC on current woes.
10th trying to propose to spend money as much as possible. while the funds are depleting.
11th all staff like caacount lerks, technicians are all under their payroll. might sabotage the accounting as well later on.

i m trying to obtain all document such as contract agreement for MA, Securities, Cleaning Services, upgrading work,etc but MA decided not to relay the document to us. now the chairman and secretary warn us that we got no right to obtain the document and only should review when we started to elected, is there such rule? what are the avenue that we can do in such situation. currently only the treasurer are siding with us where she will not sign off all upgrading payment work in the future.

what do you all think?

All can a resident request documents like contracts and MOM for meeting to be review? or this information are PNC. many thanks

cherroy,

understand and now i m one of the MC, the problem MA is not cooperating with us under the instruction of Chairman and secretary. so they dont want to furnish us past and current contracts. we want to audit and check some of the expenditure. some work done is not completed but large sum already paid out.

current MA contracts already lapse, running month to monthly basis. and as i said previous egm this chairman and secretary has been suspended before. they nominated themselve into MC and no one nomination for others. we are selected from the floor during agm to fill the quota of mc - 7 person. now new MC members are requesting for the documents, but they are not allowing us to review.

best part some times this 3 parties speak in their native language during meeting, so we dont understand. i believe he is teaching the ma how to taichi our questions.

Sorry for confussion, they were previously elected to MC in previous AGM 201x, then middle of tenure and EGM is held to suspend them. the latest AGM 06/2015, they nominated themselved in MC, while another 5 were elected from the floor to filled in the 7 people MC. i believe it is submitted to COB for the mom.

aurora, noted and thank you so much for the advise. now onwards we put everything in writing.

cherroy, i believe this is overlook by the floor. previous there are nine CM in the previous term, then last term was reduce to 7. and this agm has the worse turnout, usually agm will be postponed 1 weeks, now new law is diffrent.

the first error - happen was happen to be the other 7 committee want to terminate them, but the floor opined that just suspend them till end term is enough.

second error - no comment, will note this for next agm

third error - i wasnt in the meeting, and it was attended by 5 person only + MA, the 3 MC are new members, and the guy just volunteered to be chairman, the lady volunteered to be treasurer but was rejected by the new MC instead, putting another member due to cheque need to be signed by treasurer and chairman.

honestly i did not want to involved in this or embroiled in this Saga, i bought the apt since 2008, this is the first time been an MC member in this apt.

a. as mention the current chairman and thesurer are just normal MC members in the previous term, the egm just voted to suspend/bar them from meeting.

b. previous mc did a considerable management work that did not raise suspicion, except we are having parking issue and some other issues.

c. last agm, previous term comittee just decided not to be re-elected, and rejected the floor to re-nominate them, except fot the two suspended one

d. only this year the sudden/steep on dip of funds due to upgrading works and refurbishing works. early year was 650 and now less than 220k (we are elected in June)

e. we dont realy query the previous MC as they are able to answer all issue in previous few year of agm, and they are able to maintain the service charges since 2008. as long as they are doing well and attend to my complains, i dont really see a problems.

most egm/agm i would attend if times permit. i do care about my investments honestly

Dear All, can we paste the accounts at the notice board of the management office for entire units for transparency purposes.
like table below :

Unit No Maintaince Water Assesment Insurance Interest Total
A1-G1-1
A1-G1-2

aurora, can we do this? thanks

ic, i just visited a condo, they post all units. and also they post they monthly financial standing. just want some insight if it ok to do. then we will force the ma to proceed.

great, i would want my MA to do post at notice board the monthly account and status for all units at the notice board.

Aurora, recently our tresurer try to get againg account. i am sure we minuted in meeting last few month to request for the accounts. last week there are heated quarrel between MC and MA (management agent) as the MA did not want to furnish the accounts when we were at the office. and the chairman since to backup the MA again.

ic, do the momntly mom need to be endorsed by cob or hba? . last month meeting was postpone. wil try to change the minute taker.

Thanks aurora, sorry it was typo without proof reading. wanted to write Monthly MOM (minute of meeting)

its good learning curve for us as first time been an mc member,